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Offline Grand73Am

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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 10:00:01 PM »
Actually there are lower ratio 1st and 2nd gear sets available for the th350. They are 2.75 and 1.57.
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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2010, 10:06:48 PM »
I went through  this debate a while ago. My final decisions came to this:
I wanted D ports b/c I had  the headers and a ported round port slowly takes shape of a D port and second, KRE has or had at the time if things have changed, a much more efficient combustion chamber. That being said, if a modification was done to each head equally, KRE would always be more efficient.

The answer to me was clear.


E-heads have evolved and can make good power. both will run you 2300 for the 310 cfm versions so cost is roughly equal.
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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2010, 01:52:39 AM »
Rainman,
Gear multiplication you get w/ OD trans. helps SBC's, but IMO a good big bore poncho V-8 doesn't really need it- any poncho w/ a long stroker crank like a 4, 4.21, or 4.25 will make so much more torque off of the line the added gear multiplication only hurts you at launch and goes up in smoke if you don't have wide slicks or are running regular street tires. This is why a well-built 455 w/ a TH-400, shift kit and a decent 2500-3000 rpm stall, and a 3.08 posi can propel any mid-sized Pontiac into the low 12's, even w/ a suspension optimized for the street. The gearing doesn't overpower the tires at launch, and lets you put the power down and accelerate. This combo will still smoke the tires at launch, but once it hooks up the midrange power is tremendous.

I used to have 2.41's, which made launches lazy at best, but would let my 400 peg the 160 mph speedo. The 3.08's did limit my top end to the 140's w/ the 400, but with the built 455 I had before there was more than enough torque to bury the speedo needle again. 2.56's w/ a stout TH-350 and a 400+ hp 400/455 stroker will no doubt propel your TA into the low-mid 13's easy, as well as give you good top end.

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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2010, 01:47:53 PM »
Geno a 3.08 is very tempting and  agree it would be a much better launch as I think gearing in the 2's is ridiculous in a way , but I figure do some changes
to engine first and see if I am happy and if not than take drastic measures.
Like you say a torque monster is going to pull my gears fairly well, and I  am going back to the factory size 225-70R-15 in a BFG again this coming spring.
I am going to yank the engine out next spring to and pound the visa  a tad .
More and more I want to figure out how to keep it looking factory under the hood and if I can a achieve some decent hp with the factory heads I will be satisfied.
I'm thinking maybe getting the 1.77 exhaust valves put in and some porting maybe.
Rare manifolds and a  cam that's got a good idle and vacuum, and a stroker kit. That will probably get me close to the 300 hp range hopefully

Maybe a guy should just go with the 4.25 eagle crank and be done with it . Every cubic inch helps I say.
As I mentioned before my main concern is to not excede a 9 -1 compression by very much .
I really think the Marty is going to take on a whole new personality with the longer stroke and the extra compression that goes with it

years ago my friend had a an olds luxury car with a 455 in it  , and  I loved how
it sucked you back in the seat when you floored it . Something few kids  know  nowadays is how it feels to be in a car with lots of Torque!  
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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2010, 07:21:53 AM »
If you stick with iron heads get a good valve job done have the bowls blended and port work on the heads. Port the intake as well and the motor will rip your head off.
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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2010, 09:21:29 AM »
If you stick with iron heads get a good valve job done have the bowls blended and port work on the heads. Port the intake as well and the motor will rip your head off.

well now that I have the get go regarding SD Performance I was thinking the very same thing. I am sure I can maintane a stock look and have enough hp and tq for what I want. As I mentioned even a doubling of hp from stock will suffice
 Just 180 hp bothers me for some reason lol.
I don't want to get to crazy either and have to get a stronger tranny and diff
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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2010, 09:24:54 AM »
don't know if you noticed, but you were wondering about lower gears for a th350, and I posted earlier that there are some available> "Actually there are lower ratio 1st and 2nd gear sets available for the th350. They are 2.75 and 1.57."
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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2010, 01:27:21 PM »
don't know if you noticed, but you were wondering about lower gears for a th350, and I posted earlier that there are some available> "Actually there are lower ratio 1st and 2nd gear sets available for the th350. They are 2.75 and 1.57."
I missed that some how . Thanks again as I like that idea

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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2010, 01:54:55 PM »
I like the idea too, so you can keep your rearend the way it is for good mileage and cruising rpms, but have better acceleration in first and second.
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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2010, 10:32:30 PM »
I like the idea too, so you can keep your rearend the way it is for good mileage and cruising rpms, but have better acceleration in first and second.

I wonder what the differance would be for the rear diff ratio going from a  2.52 to a 2.75 first gear . Hopefully it's the same as running a 3.08 

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Re: Edlbrook heads versus KRE
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2010, 10:41:05 PM »

I believe I read putting in a 200r4 with it's 2.74 first gear makes a 3.73 seem like a 4.10 compared to the 350th's 2.52