Hitman's Pontiac Trans Am Forum
Trans Am Photos => Restoration Projects => Topic started by: onebluess on April 28, 2014, 03:04:46 PM
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I have an old post where I had found a 1980 SE with the original build sheets but never went forward with it because of the rust and the 301 engine. I hauled it across the country and sold it, wanted something better. So I just came upon a 1977 SE Y82 W72 4 speed with an 8 track that has been lost for about 25 years. Car had been parted extensively over the years so it is in pieces because it was impounded and never taken out of the original owner’s name. He was under the impression the car was lost and it was still in his name all these years. I found it in a shack in the middle of nowhere just by chance. By the telltale signs I pretty sure it was an SE and took the chance of buying it without a title. I did my due diligence by sending a release of interest to the last registered owner and of course he contacted me wanting his car back. Once he saw it I ended up buying it from him. Again……. But all that is still better than waiting three years for a title. And of course I got some history on the car also. The car had three owners, the two brothers and then the one brother’s son who I bought it from. And an original picture of the car from 1982. It was also stated that it had 38,000 miles when it was impounded. Notice the same bumper sticker and cheap rear mud flaps. I don’t know how lucky I am to find this combination nowadays but it is 1 of 2699 built in 1977. I plan on starting the resto summer of 2015.
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1982
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(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm133/onebluess/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/ResizedImage_1388677151300_zps6628dfba.jpg) (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/onebluess/media/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/ResizedImage_1388677151300_zps6628dfba.jpg.html)
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm133/onebluess/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/ResizedImage_1388677170799_zps0a5c30cb.jpg) (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/onebluess/media/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/ResizedImage_1388677170799_zps0a5c30cb.jpg.html)
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So I went through my spare parts and don't have much, if anything you need (unless you want to put a '79 nose on your car!) If you cannot track down a complete engine for your project I do have a very nice set of bare 6X4 heads. I was going to put them on my rebuilt 400; however, I found a pair of high compression late 1960's heads and used those instead.
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how much for the 6X-4 heads?
I'm also looking at buying a 79 black t top and you never know I might need some front body parts also.
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That is so cool that you were able to find this car and then get the title and the history on it ..... 8)
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I hate to say it but I would think it was not an SE. In 1982 those window moldings should have still been black. It wasn't uncommon for someone to put black t tops on a non SE and slap some new decals.
I think PHS is in order.
I hope you have the original drive train or this car is just another salvaged TA
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I bought the phs documents a few weeks after i got it. Couldn't wait. It is a Y82 SE. The moldings had me baffled too. Maybe a miss at the factory. I don't know. I don't have the original numbers matching drivetrain but i believe all that affects is the resale value. Im just happy to have a real 77' SE Trans AM.
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That is so cool that you were able to find this car and then get the title and the history on it ..... 8)
Thanks. Finding the history on a rare car can be the funnest part. The 82'history picture i thought was killer.
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Maybe someone could pitch in and help out as to why the rear window moldings arent flat black as they should be? The car was only about 5 years old in the picture. Maybe the paint was chippings a little and the owner found it easier just to remove it and not have to worry about it anymore is my best guess.......
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Maybe they just wanted chrome instead, firebird/trans am parts would have been widely available at a dealer back in those days. Just a thought
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I guess he could have ordered it with plain molding even though it's more of a brushed aluminum look and not chrome. Is a regular TA chrome? One thing I did forget to add is I was told he ordered the car with no screaming chicken decal because he thought it looked tacky. Wish I had an old picture to show that. I definitly think that is something I'm going to change. Screaming Chickens are cool now.......
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I believe all T/A trim would be black. Base Firebirds had a somewhat brushed look anodized aluminum trim. Not entirely sure about fomulas.
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Did a search and the B89 Black rear window moldings were only for SE's 76-78. In 79 all TA's got the black. That's what is baffling me as to why mine was plain when the car was only five years old. I'm thinking since the owner wanted the car with no hood bird he might for some strange reason not wanted the black rear window trim. The front trim is no longer black also.
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PHS
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm133/onebluess/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/2014-05-21_11-45-55_993_zps8e38e40b.jpg) (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/onebluess/media/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/2014-05-21_11-45-55_993_zps8e38e40b.jpg.html)
Style, 1977, Firebird, Norwood, Fisher production number
Trim, Black Vinyl Deluxe Interior, Bucket Seats, Starlight Black lower, Starlight Black upper
Built 2nd week of December 1976, Trans Am, Black Interior
Fisher Date Time Code
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm133/onebluess/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/2014-04-08_19-40-14_621_zpsf1431953.jpg) (http://s295.photobucket.com/user/onebluess/media/1977%20SE%20Trans%20AM/2014-04-08_19-40-14_621_zpsf1431953.jpg.html)
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Chrome vs Black trim and T-tops can throw you a curve ball sometimes .... Case in point .... My 1977 SE .....
THIS pic is from 1985 , only a month after I got it ....
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr100/banditbls/SEinOCT1985.jpg) (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/banditbls/media/SEinOCT1985.jpg.html)
Trans Am "experts" always questioned my T/A , when I Showed pics .... Snarling their noses up without asking any history , or just dismissing me as another idiot ..... lol
I bought the car in 1985 with 69K on it , a clean ashtray ..... It even have the cat converter still ...... It was not until a few years ago that I actually got my PHS ...... I was pretty sure it would be a 1 of the 2,699 4-speed Y82's ..... but .......
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr100/banditbls/TransAmSheet.jpg) (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/banditbls/media/TransAmSheet.jpg.html)
It turns out it is 1 of the 384 Y81 4-speeds ;D
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr100/banditbls/409338_4758796216631_1490543581_n.jpg) (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/banditbls/media/409338_4758796216631_1490543581_n.jpg.html)
You see the Hurst papers in the top left ? My car apparently got sent out by the dealer , cause nobody wanted a hardtop or the original buyer wanted them installed before delivery .... I contacted the dealership , but no records were left from that far back and nobody was still there that might have remembered....
Yes I still have the car , although it only now has 83,336 miles on it now , you would guess it had 383,000 ... And some would question if it even was an SE by it's present looks ..... ;) I don't have the original block anymore , someone stole it outta my garage several years ago along with the radiator and other precious metals .....
MORAL OF THIS STORY : things get switched , accidents happen , parts get replaced ..... PHS service is awesome ....
My car was only seven years old , when I got it from the 2nd owner .... Front and rear window trim was chrome and never appeared to have ever been black ..... It was shipped 3/14/1977 .... MAYBE the late date had something to do with the chrome trim ? Maybe the dealer after getting the car back from Custom Trim of Indy ( Hurst Hatch Installer) removed the "black" trim and replaced it with chrome to match the T-Tops .....
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Cool car. The rarest 77 if im guessing right. I was thinking my rear trim was factory due to a screw up or early production.
And heres something i believe more than doubled the value of your car. You get the satisfaction of having the almost non-exsistant Y81 and still get to enjoy the dealer installed t-tops.
I bet a internet search doesn't find any......
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My 77 SE Y82 was built 1/77 and it has all black trim. So there must of been something funny going on at the plant.
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My 77 SE Y82 was built 1/77 and it has all black trim. So there must of been something funny going on at the plant.
1st senerio: someone was getting their TA one piece at a time Johney Cash style and there was no black trim that day.
2nd Senerio: someone stayed out too late at the local Disco and burned one too many the night before. But we should be proud of this person because they still made it to work to install my plain window trim.
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Cool car. The rarest 77 if im guessing right. I was thinking my rear trim was factory due to a screw up or early production.
And heres something i believe more than doubled the value of your car. You get the satisfaction of having the almost non-exsistant Y81 and still get to enjoy the dealer installed t-tops.
I bet a internet search doesn't find any......
I chat and trade parts with a guy in California , and he sold a beautiful Y81 4-peed with just 30k on it ... It seems , he was telling me that it would have probably brought more money "IF" it had been a Y82 ...... T-Tops are more appealing to buyers .....
I have read somewhere that 13 Y81 4-speeds are known to be left in existence .... I hope that number is wrong .... I hope there are more :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Trans-Am-SE-Special-Edition-s-Match-W72-30-960-ORIGINAL-MILES-4-Speed-PHS-Docs-1-of-384-NO-/321261634347?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4accaf832b&item=321261634347&pt=US_Cars_Trucks
His car brought $29,000 .......
I just bought a 78 Firebird for rust-free parts and the solid roof ...... Not to make my car "correct" , but to strengthen it back up ... My car has been driven Hard ..... I am not interested in going back stock or restoring back to "stock" ..... I got to drive it all stock for a couple thousand miles in 1985 .....
As far as value of my car , it would take totally insane crazy money to buy it from me ...... Luckily that will never happen ;D
here are 2 pics of the "hack" job Custom Trim of Indy did on my car
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr100/banditbls/Inner%20Roof%20Pics/067_zpsa78320be.jpg) (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/banditbls/media/Inner%20Roof%20Pics/067_zpsa78320be.jpg.html)
They actually slid in loosely this flat piece to have something to screw back on the trim on both sides ....
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr100/banditbls/Inner%20Roof%20Pics/066_zpscb08e98a.jpg) (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/banditbls/media/Inner%20Roof%20Pics/066_zpscb08e98a.jpg.html)
My roof had actually shown signs it was flexing and twisting after putting higher horsepower engines and letting my car sit since 1994 hasn't helped it any either .....
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Well, you could always get yourself a 1977 Y82 4spd. I know they are extremely rare and maybe impossible to find one for sale that is affordable.
I was toying with selling mine. It's pretty much rust free using NOS or Original 77 Trans Am parts.
Just a thought
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We can thank the movie for making the Y cars rare. Ive got 2000 in mine. I know thats a lot but it is a rust free one owner car. But i feel so lucky to have it id probably turn down good money for it.
But then again i turned down 4500 for a 1000 camaro because i was attached to it.
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Ive got 2000 in mine. I know thats a lot but it is a rust free one owner car
That's the thing .... YOU thought it was worth it ..... I do also
JupiterBandit had a Y82 for sale ( It runs and drives, the AC works. ) The rear section was rusty , but he only wanted $8,990.00 ...
How could a running and driving 4-speed Y82 not be worth that ?!? :)
I understand some people only see cars as "flippers" or "moneymakers" ...... I have High Respect for the top-end restoration shops and THE PEOPLE that strive to find the best and most accurate examples for us all to drool at in person and pictures....
I don't look at Pontiacs and Trans Ams with dollar signs in my eyes ..... I love Trans Ams .... All 20+ (includes all the parts cars ) I have been blessed to have owned over the years .... I remember every one of them ;)
onebluess , here is a pic of my car present ..... it looks worse than it is ..... I have sprayed flat black over the places the original paint finally gave in to ....... I current have the windshield and engine out , and the doghouse is held on by a couple of bolts...
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr100/banditbls/1978%20FIREBIRD/944230_10201250219966345_698882339_n_zpsf786ce08.jpg) (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/banditbls/media/1978%20FIREBIRD/944230_10201250219966345_698882339_n_zpsf786ce08.jpg.html)
i just bought this 78 Firebird ($650 ) for it's roof , nose , and doors ( I want the manual roll ups anyways) .....
(http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr100/banditbls/1978%20FIREBIRD/0032_zps30c710b4.jpg) (http://s473.photobucket.com/user/banditbls/media/1978%20FIREBIRD/0032_zps30c710b4.jpg.html)
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Thats a good deal for the parts firebird. Exactly what I've been wanting to supply parts for mine.
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We can thank the movie for making the Y cars rare. Ive got 2000 in mine. I know thats a lot but it is a rust free one owner car. But i feel so lucky to have it id probably turn down good money for it.
But then again i turned down 4500 for a 1000 camaro because i was attached to it.
But then again I was just offered $6000. It hurt to turn that down.