Hitman's Pontiac Trans Am Forum
Classifieds => Ebay Listings => Topic started by: BanditRich on February 20, 2011, 04:37:07 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=190504277224&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D190504277224%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&viewitem=
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well those are waaaaay overpriced, and they look like the gm repops so they arent the pricey ones, those can actually still be bought...
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and they look like the gm repops so they arent the pricey ones
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WOW
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No they're not the repops, these are metal not plastic. I don't think they're overpriced - there's a USED set of originals for sale at fbodywarehouse for $175.
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They look like the repros to me as well. Here is a few photos of an original on the left and the repro on the right.....
(http://www.78ta.com/sale/42a3284a0.jpg)
(http://www.78ta.com/sale/429824400.jpg)
I can also still get the original ones for $99 for the pair.
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Where can you get a pair of originals for $99? I looked up in Performance Years Firebird catalog and they have 76 - 78 rear pillar bird emblem - part # GFR32 GM for $109 each and it looks like the one on the right not the one on the left. That's what I have.
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the ebay auction are gm repros for sure. the ones pictured on the left are the real originals, the ones on the right are the ones gm made available for purchase later on. i think this is a case of what brett described awhile ago on a thread about "true" nos items vs repro nos items. yes the ones on ebay are gm parts, but they are clearly NOT the originals pictured on the left in the above pics.
also, repros are not plastic, they are metal. but most improtant of all, the prices in the big company catalouges are way overpriced... they gotta make a profit on each part they sell. like brett said, he can get originals for $99/pair! & $175 for a used set of emblems is not what you can base realistic prices on? heck, i got a set of these & i could ask $250... doesn't mean one can base their price on that exagerated price.
& while gm stuff does seem to be kind of pricey lately, these can be ordered direct from gmpartsdirect.com for about $80 each, that just shows how much the big guys mark them up.
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may John Witzke could post a pic of what is on his car. that might help.
I have a firebird trunk emblem I know is OEM , I took it from a bird in the very early 80's from a junkyard.
but everyone told me it was a repro.
just like the shifter button there is 2 or 3 red OE styles.
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may John Witzke could post a pic of what is on his car. that might help.
You mean like the opriginal that was on mine....
(http://www.78ta.com/sale/429f01130.jpg)
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Where can you get a pair of originals for $99? I looked up in Performance Years Firebird catalog and they have 76 - 78 rear pillar bird emblem - part # GFR32 GM for $109 each and it looks like the one on the right not the one on the left. That's what I have.
Actually in Performance Years, part number GFR32 is $57 each for the repro, or $114 for the pair.
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thats what was on my 77 too.
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Well I'm going to change the auction to a more realistic price. I didn't know GM had reproduced them and like I said I was told the repros were plastic. I never said I was the brightest light bulb in the box. ::)
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Well I'm going to change the auction to a more realistic price. I didn't know GM had reproduced them and like I said I was told the repros were plastic. I never said I was the brightest light bulb in the box. ::)
hey i could use some sharpening myself compared to some of the other tools in the shed. ya learn something new everyday! ;)
FWIW, i had the original ones brett shows on my 78 as well, but for the recent resto i did i used the repro gms, i found some for a great deal & didnt know then they werent 100% correct at the time, they looked so nice & shiny new. my car is not a show car, just a nice "resto mod" low mile car, for that the repros are fine.
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So, are the ones below GM or Re-pops?
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/80TAPaceCar/DSC_0004_1.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/80TAPaceCar/DSC_0003_1.jpg)
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1st pic looks repro...2nd pic looks OEM
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1st pic looks repro...2nd pic looks OEM
Huh, not sure why that is, but they are both OEM.
This one came off of a 1978 Silver TA with red interior.
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/80TAPaceCar/DSC_0004_1.jpg)
This one came off a 1977 Formula that was wrecked within it's first year of being new.
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/80TAPaceCar/DSC_0003_1.jpg)
I know this as I took them off myself.
On the 1978 the lady that ordered it she ordered it without the hood bird, when it came in she didn't want any birds on the car period. I was 15 and worked for the local Pontiac dealer for a weekend, the dealers owner bought my services from the FFA slave sale. It was basically a dream come true since I was going into the body repair business and got to work for the dealer's body shop. The 78 TA just came in from the factory when I took them off.
The 1977 Formula was at our local salvage yard when my dad and I went looking for parts. I bought them and took them off myself as well.
So why does everybody think that the first picture is not OEM?
Kev
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The points/angles are crisper on one vs the other...also the "textures" in the feathers differ between the two...just an observation. (not arguing their origins though as you were there)
The heads of the birds are shaped slightly differently also
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n236/79ws6resto/DSC_0003_1.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n236/79ws6resto/DSC_0004_1.jpg)
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The points/angles are crisper on one vs the other...also the "textures" in the feathers differ between the two...just an observation. (not arguing their origins though as you were there)
The heads of the birds are shaped slightly differently also
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n236/79ws6resto/DSC_0003_1.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n236/79ws6resto/DSC_0004_1.jpg)
I'm not arguing that they aren't different, they are very different styles, but that does not
make them Non-OEM/Factory. One thing I have noticed is GM was never consistant, they
used what they had on hand when the cars were produced.
Kev
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Weird. After owning 70+ of these, I have seen discrepancies in the cars from time to time. But I have never had one with the salilbird design like your upper one. I did order a replacement set once, a few years ago, and they were like that.
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So why does everybody think that the first picture is not OEM?
Kev
i dont think we are saying the 2nd pic is not "oem" we are saying its a gm repro, meaning they arent the original style like the 1st pic. at some point gm made the 2nd pic style available & they are not like the true originals shown in the 1st pic or the left side of bretts pic. they are all gm parts, not oer or pui repro... just not original gm.
at least thats how i understand it, if that makes sense. i wish i could find the thread about true nos vs repro nos brett did awhile ago. made perfect sense & cleared up alot of misinformation about nos gm parts.
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I dont think we are saying the 1st pic is not "oem"
Understood.
Meaning they arent the original style like the 2nd pic. at some point gm made the 1st pic style available & they are not like the true originals shown in the 2nd pic or the left side of bretts pic.
I'm not trying to put a wrench in the fan of knowledge, but the one in question I have below is from
an original TA straight from the factory. I not only took the emblem off the car, but I watched them
unload it from the hauler and was the one that prepped it for the new owner. I'm not arguing they
are/aren't identical, I'm saying that the factory/assembly plant did use different ones. At what time
frame they used/changed them or from what factory/assembly plant produced the TA's I have no clue
or even how long they used them for that matter.
My knowledge is on the 1980 Indy Pace Car, and I know there were several discrepencies in parts and styles
depending on which factory/assembly plant produced them and more so on the actual ones that were used
at Indy for either a Festival Car or an Actual Pace Car used on the track. There was no rhyme or reason for
them doing this, they were just using the parts that they had on hand at the time. The more I talk to
my buddies that worked at Van Nuys, the more I learn on how they built these and why they did certain
things.
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/80TAPaceCar/DSC_0004_1.jpg)
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i agree that gm used whatever parts they had on hand at the time & that there is consistantly conflicting info about all aspects of these cars. there must have been a date or timeframe that they changed manufacturers of parts, including these sail panel emblems.
maybe the emblem in your 2nd pic was from a very late production dated car & the plant it was made at started using the "other" design emblem. actually i like the 2nd one better, just looks nicer to me.
wheres that "nos" thread brett?
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wheres that "nos" thread brett?
You mean this? http://www.78ta.com/nos.php
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I don't like arguing or anything either. I just go by what I know and what I can prove. 80TAPaceCar, if you could flip that emblem over and take a photo of the back of it with the GM part number on it, then I can track it down and see what it says.
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80TAPaceCar, if you could flip that emblem over and take a photo of the back of it with the GM part number on it.
I just got in from the garage, there is not a number on it, matter of fact there is not one on any one that I do have, even the one that is said to be a "True" GM NOS. I know what is going to be said, as I have seen your page about GM NOS and GM Reproduction.
I'm not trying to dis-credit anybody, I'm just curious. I have seen multiple posts on here about this topic and I finally wanted to know.
All I know is I have both emblem styles and I know where, when and how I got them. It is what it is, not sure what to think.
I even have the GM NOS Nose Emblem, but it is in the new GM Reproduction Box and yes it does have the number on the back of it. The "Blue" is a darker color than the one in the picture, but it is the new GM Reproduction box. I boutht it from Performance Years 4-5 years ago. I'm going by the write-up on the webpage:
http://www.78ta.com/nos.php
Like I said, I am not trying to create an argument or even trying to dis-credit anybody, so I guess I have not really accomplished anything as I'm still un-decided.
Kev
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wheres that "nos" thread brett?
You mean this? http://www.78ta.com/nos.php
thats the one. makes sense that the 2 sail panels pictured are a level one & level 3. no arguing from me either. i have no way of "knowing" anything for certain, just what i have seen in 20 years of owning these cars.
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I will pull my original one out that I took off my car and take a photo of the back to show you the GM part number that should be on there.
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I will pull my original one out that I took off my car and take a photo of the back to show you the GM part number that should be on there.
I'm not doubting you.
But how do you explain the emblem I have pictured that was taken off the car when it was straight from the assembly plant in 1978?
They did not have re-pops at that time.
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But how do you explain the emblem I have pictured that was taken off the car when it was straight from the assembly plant in 1978?
They did not have re-pops at that time.
Not gonna try and explain it.........
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I think I may be able to shed some light on some of the variances.
I grew up about 15 miles away from the Norwood Assembly plant. From
time to time various aspects of the plant would make the local news.
It was a large enough employer that the chances of knowing a family
member of one of the workers was good. In addition to the factory
workers, other locals were indirectly contracted by the plant for
various things. So, talk of the plant and it's problems would be
heard from time to time.
In high school, I also worked as a line boy at a local airport and
fueled small and medium sized cargo planes.
What was very apparent was GM's desire to maintain the production
line at nearly all costs. It was common for those cargo planes
to be moving parts for the plant, and from many locations and suppliers.
So, it's my theory that GM would have used an alternative supplier
as needed in order to maintain the production line.
Joe
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Relisted with a lower price.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190506797269&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
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Did these emblms ever sale? I need a set.