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Trans Am Information => Restoration => Topic started by: 1981turbotransam on April 19, 2009, 07:57:57 PM

Title: head id
Post by: 1981turbotransam on April 19, 2009, 07:57:57 PM
i just got a set of heads at charlotte and i need them to be ided for me please. on the sides of the heads they say 6x4 waht are they?
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Gold78Spc on April 19, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
Sound like heads off a Pontiac 400.  Don't know the combustion chamber size off hand but could probably look it up for you if you need it.
Title: Re: head id
Post by: 1981turbotransam on April 19, 2009, 08:10:53 PM
i think they are the 220 hp heads not positive
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Gold78Spc on April 19, 2009, 08:22:51 PM
Copied this from this page here.  Its a good source for Pontiac head info.

http://ronspontiacpage.com/reference-pages/stockheadspecs.htm

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j195/sdragon555/heads1.jpg)
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 19, 2009, 08:26:10 PM
Depending on the date code they are either off of a '76 or '77 350 or a '77, '78 or '79 W72 400. They all used the same head.

2.11"/1.66" valves and 94cc combustion chambers

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b230/SirLDragon/tech/Pontheadid.jpg)
Title: Re: head id
Post by: 1981turbotransam on April 19, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
wahts the hp rateing?
Title: Re: head id
Post by: 1981turbotransam on April 19, 2009, 08:33:31 PM
i think on the secondary stamp there is an 8
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 19, 2009, 08:35:50 PM
Then they're 6X-8 heads. Not 6X-4. Same head with 101cc chambers. Lower compression. They were the ones used on the L78 400s.
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 19, 2009, 08:36:36 PM
wahts the hp rateing?

The heads don't have a HP rating. That all depends on the engine they're bolted to.
Title: Re: head id
Post by: 1981turbotransam on April 19, 2009, 08:41:18 PM
but the casting number says 6x4
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 19, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
There's a 4 in the center right next to the 6X? or is it over to the right like in the pic I posted? That large 4 you see in that pic is not part of the casting number. The last digit in either the 6X-4 or 6X-8 ID is the secondary stamp number.
Title: Re: head id
Post by: 1981turbotransam on April 19, 2009, 08:50:10 PM
mine look like the one in the pic
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Post by: Rick on April 19, 2009, 11:01:48 PM
Are you sure you're reading that right?  For giggles and grins, what does the secondary stamp (shown in the pic above) say? ???
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 20, 2009, 04:51:56 AM
Are you sure you're reading that right?  For giggles and grins, what does the secondary stamp (shown in the pic above) say? ???

i think on the secondary stamp there is an 8
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Rick on April 20, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
Larry, that's what I thought he said, but then he said they was a 6X4 on the center ports.  I've never seen that, so I'm thinking that the casting numbers are eroded and hard to read and may be some other 3 letter/digit number.  So I'm confused right now as to what he does have, and thought it worth a second look. ???
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 20, 2009, 11:42:37 AM
I think he's confusing the M 4 on the right hand exhaust port as part of the ID code.
Title: Re: head id
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on April 20, 2009, 12:07:05 PM
If they are the 4's with stock 400 setup your looking to get around 200 horse power, if they are the 8's with a stock setup you will be getting around 220.  What you do now is all up to you. if your lookin for performance those are great heads for a super charger, or they work nicely with a stroker kit, however you wont get too much power out of them just rebuilding the motor and putting in a more agressive cam and new intake.  It thats the kind of motor you are looking for then you may wanna try and find yourself an older set of heads with a chamber size in the 72 -80 cc range.  However a stroker kit only runs you about 1800 bucks and if your thinkin about rebuilding the motor you will need new pistons and rings and a crank balance prob anyways. so id go with that. Don't do what i do and not plan out your motor before you start.  :) good luck. Think BIG
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 20, 2009, 01:19:27 PM
If they are the 4's with stock 400 setup your looking to get around 200 horse power, if they are the 8's with a stock setup you will be getting around 220. 

I think you have that reversed. The 4s are the smaller cc head and would give higher a compression ratio. Those are the ones used on the W72s.
Title: Re: head id
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on April 20, 2009, 01:24:42 PM
whoops you are correct. my mistake so yeah with a stock setup, with the 4's you will get 220 and with the 8's you will get around 200. :/
Title: Re: head id
Post by: 1981turbotransam on April 20, 2009, 01:57:07 PM
so where do i need to look for a 4 at on the exaust ports or what?
Title: Re: head id
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on April 20, 2009, 01:59:13 PM
it will be on the center ports
Title: Re: head id
Post by: Joker (§ir£Ðragon) on April 20, 2009, 01:59:44 PM
so where do i need to look for a 4 at on the exaust ports or what?

Where the picture shows the secondary stamping.
Title: Re: head id
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on April 20, 2009, 02:01:14 PM
haha i think i need to not post anymore for today i keep messing up orders of things. i have officially lost posting privlidges till midnight. im sorry.