Topic: New information or bad memory BS?

[Rick]

From a previous thread...

http://www.78ta.com/smf/index.php?topic=8049.msg84516#msg84516

Well, I see two things that jump out at me.  First, he states "Only 752 of the near 70,000 Trans Ams built in 1977 had this option"... ask him to prove that.... He Can't.  Second thing is where he states "Another rare option on this one is the black chrome exhaust tips"..... sorry, there was no such thing.  They started that in 1976 for the LE car, but stopped them real quick and were never offered again.  From what I have heard, only the first 8 LE cars in 1976 left the factory with the black chrome tips.

At the risk of resurrecting a long-dead thread, I want to note that there is a letter printed in the June 2009 issue of HPP wherein the owner of a 77 SE says categorically that his car had the black chrome splitter tips as delivered from the factory.  I'd always thought that it was a early 76 only thing, but this guy says "no".  He claims to have ordered a 76 LE in March 1976 but it was never delivered due to problems with the Hurst hatches.  In August 1976 he was offered a LE car without the hatches, but he passed and opted to order a 77 instead.  He claims that 77 SE was delivered to him that fall WITH the black chrome splitter tips.

All wet?  Delusional?  Victim of Alzheimer's?  Dunno -- all I know is what I read tonight...

[RENOVATIONS]

I read that article also...I call BS 

[kjkjkcjkcj]

We need Proof thats all i can say.  how hard would it be to custom make those black crome tips.  can you buy them at all? i have a feelin he could have just custom made them or somthing

[Hitman]

I agree.... ask him to prove it.  He has no proof what-so-ever.  And he says "catagorically" the he knows it came with black chrome tips..... yeah, everyone's memory is as sharp as a nail 32 years later.  I bet I can trick anyone's memory into think one thing and it actually being another.  Anyway, I don't want to get off on a tangent there.... the bottom line is that he has no proof and until that proof possibly surfaces one day, that is what I am sticking to.

[kjkjkcjkcj]

Well remind me not to buy a car from you haha. just kidding you wouldn't trick a fellow 78ta.com member

[Hitman]

What I meant by trick is that there have been test done out the by phsycologists that shows how easily the mind can be tricked and led in another direction.  I mean, that is what a magician always plays on... the simple tricks that our own mind can play on us.  If you want to see an example, I can show you one.

[kjkjkcjkcj]

haha no i was jhust kidding.  I know i finally learned how the floating man was done the other day.  Its funny once you see a trick and how it works you wanna just slap yourself for not realizing how obvious it is.  I think the problme is people think way to hard about the tricks

[77 se ta]

Well, I know that my dad's came with balck chrome tips, it was part of what made him buy the car.  You can believe me or not, I really don't care.  Too many know it all TA "experts" around.  If they haven't seen it, it never exosted.

[Rick]

Well, I know that my dad's came with balck chrome tips, it was part of what made him buy the car. 

That's interesting.  By chance you don't have any pictures, do you?  Like the kind a lot of people take when they bring the car home?  It would be neat if you did and could scan them in.

[kjkjkcjkcj]

Yeah i have never seen one. and that wasn't very nice.  were not know it alls, we just like to see things to believe them. and as far as im concerned hitman is the most knowledged person on trans am's that ive ever meant.  And im not tryin to kiss any a$$ here

[John Witzke]

Everyone, I know the original owner of the 15,000 original-mile 1977 W72 SE that was featured a few months back in Hi-Performance Pontiac.  His car was a later production I believe a late June 1977 build and has the black-chrome splitters from the factory.  The original factory splitters are still on the car.  I know this to be a fact.  Us original owners of low-mile unrestored cars can help others on how it really was.  All you have to do is ask .

[Hitman]

Well, I know that my dad's came with balck chrome tips, it was part of what made him buy the car.  You can believe me or not, I really don't care. 

I know you are offeneded by what is said here, but the bottom line is that I have alot of information here from Pontiac fro dealer manuals, to order sheets, to build sheets, to Pontiac Dealer bulletins, and more.  And in not ONE of them is there EVER a mention of black chrome tips.  Ever.  The only mention of black chrome tips is on the first 8 1976 50th Anniversaries in 1976.  That is all.  And I will stick to that until I can be proven otherwise with some sort of proof that GM and Pontiac did black chrome tips.  I have had arguments all the time about different things with original owners of cars about what was on their car brand new.  Alot of people get confused about what was Factory installed and what might have been Dealer installed.  So, I am not saying your dad's car did not come with them, what I am saying is that they were not a Factory option that I have ever found.  If someone can prove proof that they existed, then I would be more than happy to do a full apology to anyone I have ever conversed with on this subject.

Too many know it all TA "experts" around.  If they haven't seen it, it never exosted.

I know that you are upset with some here and I have never claimed to be an "Expert", just a "Specialist".  And I also do not believe in ghosts, UFO's or Bigfoot.  I have never seen any of them and none can provide conclusive proof that any of them exist.

[John Witzke]

Brett the car I mentioned in my reply I have know the car and it's owner for the past 20 some years.  Honestly the car still has the original exhaust.  In fact Rocky Rotella knows the owner and the car too and he will say the same thing.  This particular 1977 SE Trans Am was delivered with the black-chrome splitters.  We all live in the same town amd know each other.  I consider myself close to an expert on the 1977 Trans Ams and I can say this is for real.  Trust me I know there are no factory documents (if there was I would have it) to support the use of black-chrome splitters but it did happen.    

[Hitman]

Trust me I know there are no factory documents (if there was I would have it) to support the use of black-chrome splitters but it did happen.    

And that is all that I am saying.... there is no paper trail what-so-ever.

[John Witzke]

I hear what you are saying but I am putting my reputation on the line by saying it did happen and would not do that unless I am damn sure of my self.  I have examined his car very carefully and it is for real.  I would certify his car 100 percent authentic.  As to how many 1977's were produced that way I cannot answer that question.  For those who may not know me and are reading this thread my knowledge of the 1977 Trans Am in general would be the equivalent of a Bloomington Gold/NCRS Judge.  I could certify a 1977 Trans am on factory correct standards and how they were built