The caravan will be both site and all of the same people as always. Yes, the times should be the same. Actually they are both wrong, as we will NOT be stopping for longer than 15 minutes at any stop along the way, as our 4 hour trip has turned into an almost 6 hour trip. The times will be corrected in the next few days. Thank you for your support in the best caravan to Dayton. ( regardless of who runs it.)