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Offline kjkjkcjkcj

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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2011, 05:41:12 PM »
Wow that sounds like a great buy.  congradulations.   Please for the love of god do not throw a pontiac 400 in it.  Keep the original turbo.  I too would like to know what they did different to a macho to make more power.  They have have just put an exhaust to open it up and allow the turbo to spool easier.
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2011, 09:06:03 PM »
I think they want pics lol. Then again so do i :)
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2011, 09:17:57 PM »
Please for the love of god do not throw a pontiac 400 in it.  Keep the original turbo.

Amen to that!! :)
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2011, 09:11:26 AM »
My research supports the facts.   DKM produced a very small # of Turbo charged V8 car's in 1978/79.    That said, 1980 Macho T/As are few, very few.   DKM would have installed as many performance parts as they could to extract as much out of the Turbo T/As.   They would have not just installed decals, name plates.    All in all, a rare find.  Good luck with the restoration.

I am looking to sell my survior 1979 TATA, 8400 miles, W72/L78 engine, WS6, 4-speed.   To replace my 10th Anniversary car, will hopefully be either a 1978 or 79 Macho T/A, 400 engine, 4-speed, T-Top car.

If anybody is interested in my TATA, feel free to reach out.     Thanks to all.   CapeCodTA and/or email:  rennell3@verizon.net
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2011, 11:20:55 PM »
Yea they did do some mods but when I spoke to Dennis he said they scrapped the turbo project because the engine just couldn't handle the power. That's why they made so few.

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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2012, 01:40:31 PM »
OK, I figured it was time for an update on this car. I am the new owner. I bought it last week from the person who posted it here last year. First off, I want to say, they were great people to deal with. Very honest, and up front. He and his father run a Corvette parts and restoration business. Very cool people. So I saw it on Craigslist, and figured I had to have it. So I sent the money sight unseen, hoping for the best. When I arrived, I was blown away. Aside from being dirty, and faded paint, it looked like the car had been in a time capsule. Nothing had ever been touched. Nothing at all. Ever. Every bolt on this car, is as it came from the factory, right down to the original tires. The seller told me the original owner parked it in 1991 because it started smoking. I figured probably just turbo seals went bad. We loaded it up, and trailered it home. I put a battery in it, and some gas, and it fired right up. Everything works, including the original AM/FM radio. The original speakers aren't even blown, the radio sounds great! So it ran, but very, very badly. I pulled all the plugs and did a compression test. All the cyls were good. All 8 plugs were completely fouled. So I put new plugs, wires, and dist cap on it, and she runs like a champ. Starts right up, purrs beautifully. I even drove it up the street on 30 year old tires. It has pretty decent power. It did smoke quite a bit. So I pulled the turbo off. The bearings and seals are shot in the turbo. I sent it off for rebuild, and should have it back this week. Then off to the tire store for new tires, and she's back on the road. The paint in the door jambs and trunk is absolutely perfect. Such a beautiful color too. So I'll send her out for paint sometime this year, but I'll leave the jambs original, and not paint those. I want to keep it as original as possible. The trunk is like a time machine. Original space saver spare that has never touched the ground. Original jack that has never touched the ground, tire inflator, etc. The build sheet is with the car, and the original title, which does list the car as a "Pontiac Macho." Pretty funny. I spoke to Dennis Mecham, he said they did the exhaust, and put a little bit more boost in the turbo. He did say they just couldn't get any real power out of it without blowing up the 301. they also did suspension upgrades. It has coil over shocks at all 4 corners. It has all it's DKM graphics still on it, horn button, etc. No doubt it's real. I agree with all the above posts, that it needs to stay a turbo car. if the day ever came when the 301 gave up, the only swap I'd consider would be a low compression 400 or 455, and add a turbo set up. I'm really quite a purist though, so I don't see that happening any time soon. Anyway, I'm glad to add this car to my collection. I really, really, love this car. I'm looking forward to getting the paint done, and just drive it, and enjoy it.

Chad
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2012, 02:19:47 PM »
And STILL no Updated Pics???  :(

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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2012, 02:35:29 PM »
OK, I'll post some pics this week. As soon as the tires are on it, I'll wash it up, and snap some pics.
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1984 Mecham Racing MSE #84
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2012, 03:01:46 PM »
It has pretty decent power. It did smoke quite a bit. So I pulled the turbo off. The bearings and seals are shot in the turbo. I sent it off for rebuild, and should have it back this week. I spoke to Dennis Mecham, he said they did the exhaust, and put a little bit more boost in the turbo. He did say they just couldn't get any real power out of it without blowing up the 301. they also did suspension upgrades. 

Chad


funny how dennis himself agrees the 301t just couldnt cut it. ive been flamed on this and other forums by the 301t guys (theyre very touchy) for pointing out the shortfalls of that motor.

http://www.firebirdgallery.com/dkmlot8.htm (scroll down to see the '80s)
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2012, 03:34:49 PM »
I think for the time, and for nostalgia purposes, it was an OK motor. By today's standards, it just doesn't cut it. It was designed with only one thing in mind, and that was economy. In 1980, it was cool. Nothing was fast in 1980. That doesn't make it bad. A wise man once told me "premature ejaculation is fast too, that doesn't make it good." There's more to life than going fast. I will tell a great 301 story though. A few years back, I bought a 56 Safari. The previous owner had installed a 301 non turbo, 2bbl in it. I asked him what the hell he was thinking when he did that. He replied "Sonny, you get that car home, and drive it around for a while. When you get tired of never putting gas in it, and when you realize that it moves this car around quite well, and you STILL want to pull it out, call me, and I'll pay to have the engine shipped back to me." Sure enough, it moved that wagon around pretty darn good, and I certainly thought the fuel gauge was broken, because it never seemed to move off the full mark. So it was a sweet set up. I think just by sheer luck, it was a good combination of engine, rear gears, etc. Of course, me never being satisfied, I had to screw it all up. I thought if it was this good, I could make it better. So I threw in a 3.73 posi, and a 200 4r overdrive. Now the engine was out of it's power band all the time, was slow, and the mileage sucked. Oh well. Anyway, I think the 301 has it's place. In a Macho Turbo, it needs to remain. In anything else, maybe not so much. Just my $0.02
Chad Goertz

1980 DKM Macho Turbo #4
1984 Mecham Racing MSE #84
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2012, 03:38:18 PM »
hada76, I know what you mean.  I've had the opportunity to own several birds from a regular 301 TA all the way up to a bad 455 Formula.  The regular 301 gave the most dissapointment.  It was a great cruiser but that was it.  The 455 was a white knuckle style of driving and always had to make sure a gas station was near :) (tires never lasted either for some reason)

Now, the Pace that I have now I must say I am pleasantly pleased with.  I feel the downfall with the these turbo cars was that it was a completely different style of performace motor wise.  You went from a high torque, low RPM motor with decent HP to a low torque, higher RPM motor with actually simular hp than what was offered in '79.  Gone was the "pull you back in the seat, roasting tires" way of driving to a steady off the line but quickly spooling up motor.

Luckily since I've owned another turbo'd car (SRT4 Neon) I got to understand the technology.  Today turbo cars are more widely known and accepted than back in the early 80's.  Now there guys making stroker kits for this little motor. Here's a read up  http://www.301garage.com/forum/index.php?topic=4947.0  I must say I'd like to drive a little Bird with a 434 stroker....just saying ;)
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2012, 10:02:37 PM »
Ive been flamed on this and other forums by the 301t guys (theyre very touchy) for pointing out the shortfalls of that motor.

Touchy, no.  Just tired of the mis-information people give about the 301T.  There are always ones out there that think they know the 301T and in reality, they have no clue.

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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2012, 01:12:46 PM »
as ive said before, pontiac did what they could with what they had at the time. the tech simply wasnt there. they werent user friendly, had reliability issues and couldnt compare to earlier motors. thats not my opinion, just simple fact. go to any car show and ask a few people, even pontiac people, and see what they say.
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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2012, 02:09:02 PM »
as ive said before, pontiac did what they could with what they had at the time. the tech simply wasnt there. they werent user friendly, had reliability issues and couldnt compare to earlier motors. thats not my opinion, just simple fact. go to any car show and ask a few people, even pontiac people, and see what they say.

I am a Pontiac person and STIL say that is ur opinion!

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Re: 1 owner 1980 macho trans am value
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2012, 02:42:12 PM »
as ive said before, pontiac did what they could with what they had at the time. the tech simply wasnt there. they werent user friendly, had reliability issues and couldnt compare to earlier motors. thats not my opinion, just simple fact. go to any car show and ask a few people, even pontiac people, and see what they say.

haha, here we go!!!!!  Just think it's funny though that compared to the timeslips on factory to factory cars the 301t did extremely well
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