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Offline Driver79

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Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« on: November 06, 2012, 05:26:51 PM »
Ive been looking for a motor for a few weeks now and someone emailed me with this:

 "i have a fresh 1969 350 pontiac 9.4 to one comp 4bb new pistons rings bore oil pump heads re-done, comp cam new liifters ect.  no junk has less than 900 miles on the block and heads- longblock   for   600 bucks , have that in the heads and pistons alone.saving   for a good car."

What problems might I run into?

Im new to Old motors as this is my first muscle car. How is a Long Block different from standard?
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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 05:57:24 PM »

Pontiac does not have big block small block...
Long block is basically the whole motor top to bottom
Alot of parts are interchangeable on pontiac blocks, but you want everything working together when ya build em

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 06:00:11 PM »
A short block would have the bottom end
It should fit fine in your car but you may need an adapter plate to get the older block to line up with motor mounts.
A 69 block will have only 2 mounting holes

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2012, 06:43:07 PM »
Pontiac V-8's, from 326 to 455 are all the same size externally- where they differ is in the main journal diameter. The 326, 350P, 389, and 400 engines all have 3.00" main journals- 421, 428, and 455 have 3.25" main journals. Each engine is also a unique casting not just simply bored out, so you can't just bore out a 326 to 350P or 350P to 400. The only two engines that make somewhat of an exception are the 389 and 400- the 389 has a 4.0625" bore and the 400 a 4.12" bore, so a 389 can be bored .060" and use standard 400 pistons. All 326- 455 Pontiac V-8's also use the same 6.625" long rod. The 326,350P, 389, and 400 also share a 3.75" crank- PMD did put different no. 3.75" cranks in each of these four engines, but they do interchange.

Since the 326-455 family of Pontiac engines are all basically the same size, engine accessories will interchange, but car has to be taken since pulley alignment will be different from the 326, 389, 421 engines to the later 350P, 400, 428, and 455 engines. Heads, intakes, oil pans, flywheels and starters will also interchange and fit each other, but care must be taken not to use the wrong head on too small or too large an engine. Pontiac V-8's use flattop pistons, so compression ratio is set by the combustion chamber on the cylinder heads- use large chamber 455 heads on a 350P and you could get a horrible 6.42:1 SCR, or putting 326 heads on a 455 could yield a piston-hammering 12.9:1 SCR. Large valve heads can also have valve-to-bore interference on small bore engines like the 326 and 350P- some of these blocks are chamfered to allow larger valve heads to be used.

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2012, 06:48:17 PM »
Thanks for the info guys! So based on what this guy has said do you think It would be a really good motor for my car. How would it compare to a stock 400 if its been built like he says?

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2012, 06:51:40 PM »
It should fit fine in your car but you may need an adapter plate to get the older block to line up with motor mounts.
A 69 block will have only 2 mounting holes

My 301 had 2 motor mounts. It should fit, right?

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2012, 07:11:33 PM »
The motor and motormount brackets will not line up without some kind of adapter plate
But yes it will fit

You will need to get or make an adapter like this to bolt the block to the motor mounts

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 07:15:38 PM »
Could you find me a website that sells the ones I would need? Thanks for the help

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 07:25:18 PM »
Butler performance has em
Year one but they are back ordered  lol

They are 90bux... Its just plate steel with a couple nuts weded on
Easy nuff to make and hell of alot cheaper

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2012, 07:30:08 PM »
Any idea on the measurements? The Maintainance guy at work could probably make me a pair in no time. Better than $90

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2012, 08:15:26 PM »
A 350P with smaller 72cc heads will perform surprisingly well compared to a 400 w/ the same heads- it shares the same 6.625" rods and long 3.75" stroke, so it will be torquey as well. But the 350P is going to have a bit less power than a 400, due to the smaller bore and having 50 less cubes.

The 301 is the red-headed stepchild of the Pontiac V-8 family- it's basically a short deck version of the 326-455 Pontiac V-8. It does have a larger bore than a 326 or 350P, but uses a weaker, shorter stroke crank, different rods, and heads with siamesed ports that flow poorly. It's adequate for basic power, but due to the lack of aftermarket speed parts for it you won't get even close to the same amount of power that could be had from even a 326 or 350P.

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2012, 08:21:13 PM »

The 301 is the red-headed stepchild of the Pontiac V-8 family- it's basically a short deck version of the 326-455 Pontiac V-8. It does have a larger bore than a 326 or 350P, but uses a weaker, shorter stroke crank, different rods, and heads with siamesed ports that flow poorly. It's adequate for basic power, but due to the lack of aftermarket speed parts for it you won't get even close to the same amount of power that could be had from even a 326 or 350P.

Geno

Would you say the 301 is comparable to the 350 TBI Chevrolet motors? I have a '90 Suburban and it has decent power with the 700r4 tranny but the TBI where just not that great. Im going to go with the '69 350 It sounds like it will be a really good motor for me. $600 is a great price compared to what Im finding online. Sounds like this guy just doesnt have a car for it and could use the money.

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2012, 01:03:47 PM »
The 301 guys here can tell you what that engine is capable of- in stock form the N/A 301 is rated at 140 hp, the turbo 301 rated at 210 hp. Any 350P w/ small chamber, big valve heads, a decent aftermarket cam w/ more lift and duration, 4 bbl. w/ stock or aftermarket intake, and free flowing exhaust will make at least 300-325 hp and 375-400 ft-lbs.

The $600 350P longblock for sale sounds like a very decent deal. But before you install it I would pull the oil pan and inspect the bottom end. I doubt it will have forged rods in it, but you can upgrade to ARP rod bolts pretty easily. I would also pull the main caps and inspect the bearings to make sure they're in good shape, and find out if the seller installed new front and rear main seals. I stole a 71 350P off Craigslist for $50, put a Crane 272H cam in it, new balancer, seals, new oil pump and pan w/ baffle, and installed a factory windage tray. It doesn't have the higher compression heads your 350P has, but should make 250-275 hp and will power my 76 TA nicely until I can build a 400 for it.

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2012, 03:25:07 PM »
I have a 1970 350P in my 79. It was originally a 403 car. I made my own adapters out of a set of 403 mounts (block side). When people ask what's under the hood and I tell them it's an early 350 pontiac, I get the "oh..too bad it's not a 400" response almost every time. Kind of a bummer to hear that but in truth, my 350 is one mean Mutha! I think you'll like it ; )

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Re: Will a 350 Long Block fit in a 79 Trans am easily?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2012, 07:57:32 PM »
Alright guys.. He sent me some internal pics of the motor from before he assembled it. He said it had a total rebuild. He sent me pics of the car 69 or so firebird it came out of (A very nice car) He says he has worked on Pontiacs for 35 years. Its a VERY nice motor. I will try to make a photobucket profile so I can share the pics.