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1979 trans am question
« on: September 29, 2009, 11:38:30 AM »
hello i am going to look at a 1979 firebird trans am 403 auto transmission  that has a 1971 GTO 400 engine in it I would like to know what to look for any ideas or information about the 400 engine and 79 firebird would help thanks.

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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 11:50:46 AM »
The Pontiac 400 should have the following distinctive features:

1. Starter on drivers side of engine.
2. Oil fill in the valve covers.
3. Depending on the heads used, there should be a 2 digit casting number on the center exhaust port of the head. Now if someone was dubious they may have ground that off so its not a sure fire way to id the head.
4. PCV valve should be in the valley pan. Looking at the front of the engine, it'd be to the left side in the front near the water neck.

After that, toss the car up on a lift to look for floor pan damage, frame rail damage, condition of engine/tranny, brake lines, gas lines, etc. As for rust...most of the common places are the corners of the dash, the cowl just under the hood, behind the front wheels, ahead of the rear wheels, behind the rear wheels around the rear window, tail panel, and trunk to name just a few.

Depending on your location and your familiarity with these cars you may want a second set of eyes to go over it with you. If you're in the Buffalo NY area I'd be willing to lend a hand.

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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2009, 11:58:05 AM »
I live in Ontario, Canada and i do not know these cars that well
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 02:52:13 AM »
If you could get some pics of the car and motor. we could tell you more. get the vin# and some shots of the rear tail panel, that is the first and worst part to rust on them.
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 10:57:18 AM »
im not near Williamsburg, im in Niagara ON (about 6hr drive away), but if you're coming down this way to look I would go along.
I got mine a month ago and I already miss the hunt for a TA.
Plus I think I've looked at 30 of them in Ontario at least. I might have already looked at that one depending when it was for sale.

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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 09:44:33 PM »
Here are some pictures of the 1979 trans am. 400 engine is from a 1971 gto
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 09:48:10 PM »
Here are some pictures of the 1979 trans am. 400 engine is from a 1971 gto
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 09:56:39 PM »
Here are some pictures of the 1979 trans am. 400 engine is from a 1971 gto
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 09:58:54 PM »
 pictures of the 1979 trans am
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 10:01:23 PM »
more pictures of the 1979 trans am
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 10:13:30 PM »
more pictures of the 1979 trans am.  the car looks to be in descent shape other than it  need  the front floor pans need to be replaced the rocker panels on the inside need to be fixed. the left side of the car sits lower for some reason.
 the original 403 comes with the car also and a 2 transmissin and some spare brake parts
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 11:00:14 PM »
Since the engine is a transplant (from a 71 GTO you say), you need to be sure that it's what you think it is.  All Pontiac engines from 326 CID to 455 CID are the same external dimensions and look pretty much the same.  You need to check some stuff to see what it originally started out being.  I note that the engine has tube headers, which are non-stock so there's every possibility that the engine's been tweaked by somebody.

The cylinder heads will have a number cast into the two center exhaust ports on each side.  Those will be either 2 or 3 digits and/or numbers -- eg. "62", or "16", or "6X".  Although the rust may make them hard to read, you need to know those numbers.  If you can get those numbers, we can find out exactly which heads they are, and that will help determine what the engine is truly from.  I'm not casting aspersions on the seller, but somehow engines frequently seem to come from cars that were "hotter" than the car the engine left the factory in.  Unless you check the numbers, there's no way to tell.

The block will have the original displacement cast into it on the driver's side underneath, towards the front -- eg, "400", or "350", or "455".  Also, the block will have a 2-letter designation stamped into the front of the passenger side, on the machined face right underneath the head.  This designation will be something like "WT", or "YE", or something of the like.  That will tell us what engine it was, and which transmission it came with originally.

On the passenger side rear of the block, you will find a 6 digit casting number that will read something like "500557" (it probably won't be that number exactly because that's a late 75-76 number, but you get the idea).  That casting number, along with the 2 letter designation, will pretty much narrow down which engine it was originally.

In addition, there are some numbers on the rear of the engine under the distributor that you need to get.  Those will give the date code of when the engine block was cast, which furhter narrows down what it is.

Now, keep in mind that ALL of this information only HELPS ID what the engine is NOW.  It could have been bored and stroked to something larger (very common for them to be bored after all this time), and it's almost certain that it will have a different (non-stock) cam in it if it has been rebuilt.  But if you can determine the information above, we can help you figure out what the basic pieces are and thus get an approximation of what you actually have in front of you.

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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 11:30:49 PM »
the owner of the car said he owned  the 1971 gto but he was in an accident so he took the 400 from it and put it in the trans am the engine has been rebuilt by a local shop, new cam, pistons, and i am not sure what else

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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2009, 03:00:07 AM »
nice car. I like it. going by the vin. it was originally a (k) car 403 olds. built in Ohio.
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Re: 1979 trans am question
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2009, 12:14:01 PM »
yes it was a 403 but it now has the 400 out of a 71 gto it has been rebuilt . The 403 comes with the car also and a spare transmission 350,and 400.  i might go and have a nother look at it and take some one that would  know more about what to look for. the owner is asking $5000 Canadian he is firm on the price. the car sits lower on the left side.
it looks to be in good condition other than the things i mention in the other replys.