Hitman's Pontiac Trans Am Forum
Classifieds => Cars for Sale/Wanted => Topic started by: osso12 on September 10, 2009, 09:14:08 PM
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FS: 1979 Pontiac Trans Am Y84 SE Bandit W72/ WS6
Up for sale is this 1979 Special Edition "Bandit" Trans AM. This is NOT a clone of a Special Edition but the real deal.
400 Pontiac, 4 speed w original hurst shifter,
with 400 / t tops/ 4 speed optioned SE car. Not a olds 403 car. Car is solid, no rot, floor boards are solid. Original paint and interior. WS6 suspension with rear disk brakes
and 15 x 8 snoflakes.
Car runs and drives, only needs paint and body work to finish.
Car has original clean hobnail cloth seats. Console car with Fisher T-tops.
I have been over this car and does not need to be restored to be a nice driver.
I have driven the car and it drives fine. This is a dream car but I have decided
to go to another project which is reason for selling. Car has power trunk, power locks
and windows original glass minus the windshield, rear glass defogger.
No cracks in the dash for a car that is 30 years old.
Car still has the WS6 15 x 8 wheels. There are three on the car, and the other is in the trunk spare.
What I know this car will need to be a dependable driver:
1. Brakes work but are spongy. Might need either pads or brakes bled.
2. Horn does not blow
3. Startor ring gear. The teeth are bad on the ring gear, and one side is severly bad
But I can start the car where you can hear the engine run.
4. The car has flow masters that are turned down at the axle. The pipes need to be ran
outside the car for the exhaust to be considered legal.
Car is located in Mesquite, Texas 75149
May consider trades or partial trades.
Asking $8,910
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Why is there a 1981 fuel door on a '79? Its been hit in the left front end too, thats why the headlamp bezel is buckled and the bumper cover pushed in at the grill. Snowflakes look to be from 1978 ,one is a 7" flake. Any PHS documentation to verify its a real Y84?
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Those are neat cars, no doubt.
It appears there is going to be some real effort in getting the body/panels/nose, etc...back to factory specs.
Mark
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console look's to be new repro
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http://www.78ta.com/smf/index.php?topic=16290.0
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not to mention the pics are 6 yrs old.....good luck
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Q: What are the two aftermarket gauges mounted to the right of the steering column? I didn't see it listed in the ad unless I missed it - been known to happen.
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not to mention the pics are 6 yrs old.....good luck
I'm guessing the dates on the pictures are wrong. The plates have a 10/09 expiration on them.
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Why is there a 1981 fuel door on a '79? Its been hit in the left front end too, thats why the headlamp bezel is buckled and the bumper cover pushed in at the grill. Snowflakes look to be from 1978 ,one is a 7" flake. Any PHS documentation to verify its a real Y84?
The car has not been hit. The car will need either a passenger skin or a passenger door. Skin is less than $200
and doors are a dime a dozen. The head lamp is buckled because the plastic tab behind the headlight is broke.
$3.00 fix tops. One is a 7" flake and the other 8" is in the trunk.
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Those are neat cars, no doubt.
It appears there is going to be some real effort in getting the body/panels/nose, etc...back to factory specs.
Mark
What makes you say? If I were redoing the car I may put a new nose on the car to save some effort. Easy fix.
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console look's to be new repro
Nope
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Q: What are the two aftermarket gauges mounted to the right of the steering column? I didn't see it listed in the ad unless I missed it - been known to happen.
not to mention the pics are 6 yrs old.....good luck
There is a after market water temp guage hooked up.
The pics were taken yesterday not 6 years ago. Who really sets camara dates?
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Correct Time Stamp
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Why is there a 1981 fuel door on a '79?
I stand to be corrected on this issue. Thanks for the input and facts.
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Why is there a 1981 fuel door on a '79?
If you will notice, most SE's will be missing this important detail. The door should have a gold bird.
The door is correct for the car.
Actually no it is not, the only year TA to get the fuel door bird was 1981. It is NOT an SE only detail.
Do you have any pictures under the hood?
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Why is there a 1981 fuel door on a '79?
If you will notice, most SE's will be missing this important detail. The door should have a gold bird.
The door is correct for the car.
Actually no it is not, the only year TA to get the fuel door bird was 1981. It is NOT an SE only detail.
Do you have any pictures under the hood?
Not to argue, I would like to see some proof.
Thanks!
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I have owned a 77SE, 78SE, 79SE, and a 80 SE. None had a bird on the gas door. I have also owned two 1981 non-SE's and both had the silver bird. These guys are correct. 1981 is the only year to have the bird on the gas door. Nice car, btw :D
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The 1980 firebird I have did not have the emblem either. The gas door on mine did disintegrate to the point where the outer casing fell off from the metal backing plate. I was able to repair it using some T-nuts and a plastic backing plate.
My guess, and the owner can correct me if I'm wrong, is that the same thing happened to this car and a replacement was had from GM (or ebay or craigslist) from the 1981 model year and installed.
osso12 - am I right on my guess??
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This is a 1981 TA, as stated they all came with the bird in 81. If you are unsure of this vehicle, contact the gentleman who has it pictured. His name is Rick ( lives in Miami) and he runs TA specialties of Fla.
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The 1980 firebird I have did not have the emblem either. The gas door on mine did disintegrate to the point where the outer casing fell off from the metal backing plate. I was able to repair it using some T-nuts and a plastic backing plate.
My guess, and the owner can correct me if I'm wrong, is that the same thing happened to this car and a replacement was had from GM (or ebay or craigslist) from the 1981 model year and installed.
osso12 - am I right on my guess??
Have no idea. I have seen other 79 SE's with the bird as well. Whether or not they added it, who knows? Remove the door to make it correct if need be. To me its realy irrelevant as one can do some research and decide if its correct or not.
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This is a 1981 TA, as stated they all came with the bird in 81. If you are unsure of this vehicle, contact the gentleman who has it pictured. His name is Rick ( lives in Miami) and he runs TA specialties of Fla.
Your saying this is an 81?
I thought most 81 bandits had a turbo and non shaker hood?
I stand to be corrected.
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I guess this 81 is a clone of a 79?
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No, the shaker hood was available with either the non turbo 4.9 liter and the 5.0 liter in 1980 and 1981
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Someone wanted to see under the hood. The valve covers are of course aftermarket. It also has a aftermarket flex fan,
and I believe an MSD aftermarket ignition.
This car could have been born with a 301. Which if it were, it would be even rarer numbers car with the manual transmission.
I do not believe this is the original 220 HP 400 W/72 as well, but I am still doing some research on this and I have not disproven it.
We would need to send for the PHS to get all the straight facts on the car of course.
I have only had the car a couple of weeks and have not done all the reasearch as well.
But I do know this
The car runs very stong and starts up every time and this car will only go up in value, never down. Money in the bank.
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The vin will tell you if it came with a 400 or a 301. Hope that helps you.
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The vin will tell you if it came with a 400 or a 301. Hope that helps you.
And have a look here for more help on finding out if it is the original engine
http://www.78ta.com/smf/index.php?topic=14821.30
More info:
http://www.78ta.com/vin1979.php
http://www.78ta.com/cowl1979.php
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geeze, tough crowd. i think its nice. i just sold my marty blue 78 400 4 speed. still playing with my black 78 400 /4 speed and my 84 308 GTB QV Ferrari. i think its a great car to save, and just drive for fun when you can.
i just took my T/A out for a quick run, just for the hell of it. 4 speed cars are very rare, relative to the gazillion cars they made. i hope it finds a great home.
i think you are being very fair and honest in your description. i am a car collector, and have owned may different types of cars.
Michael
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Tough crowd ... maybe an interested buyer. I think you just want to know what you're getting. Perhaps there's a good reason to purchase the PHS docs, add a pic of the VIN on the dash + one of the engine block. I think it'd meet less resistance to being a rare four speed SE if those wickets are cleared.
It is a 30 year old car ... gas doors break off, guages are added, things are changed and simply put, stuff happens.
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Good points John. Looks like a decent car. I would think the current value is directly proportional to whether it's a 400 or 301, matching numbers or not, and whether it's a real SE or not. It costs just as much to restore either way but the end value and desirability depends on these details. The interior looks original, so may I suggest looking under the seats or carpet for a build sheet, then you won't need PHS docs to prove what it is. Good luck with it.
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Brings up an interesting question that I have.
If the car was born with a 301 would it be any less valuable if the car were fixed up?
I know the block is not original to the car as its stamped with the YS code.
There is a W in the vin and that leads to me to believe the car was actually born with a 301 and not a 400.
But the motor is definalty a 400, I just do not know what year.
The number directly under the passenger side head is 020193. I understand the actual block stamp is actually closer to
the timing cover. Im a chevy man what can I say? ;)
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post deleted sorry, I posted in the wrong thread.
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partial vin breakdown:
VIN: 2W87Z9L170841
1st digit: GM line number: Pontiac = 2
2nd digit: Series number: W = Trans Am (75 - 80)
3rd and 4th digits: Body type number:87 = Sport Coupe
5th digit: Engine code: Z = 400 c.i.d, 4-bbl V8 (1977 - 79)
6th digit: Last digit of model year: 9 = 1979
7th digit: Assembly plant location: L = Van Nuys, California
8th through 13th digits: Sequential production
number starting with 500001 for 1972 models
and 100001 for 1973-80 models
(170,841)
May consider trades or partial trades.
Car is located in Mesquite, Texas 75149
972-289-8256
Price Reduced to $7,800 for one week only!
CALL!!
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Is there a Y code on he cowl tag? You should probably post all the info on that as well.
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Ill see what i can do. It may be tommorrow as its raining cats and dogs outside.
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this may seem to be a "tough crowd" but with the rarity of these cars its only natural to try and get the most info poss. i dont think anyone is purposely trying to be a problem...just getting the facts. if the seller is unsure of a fact, simply say so.
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Check it out:
BODY CODE:
7904A2FS87L207162
19B 19L 19U W
A51 CC1 B34305085
Breakdown:
Build date: April, First week of the month
2 - Division number 2 - Pontiac
F - Body Type F - Firebird
W - Trans Am
87 - Body Style (2-Door Coupe)
N - Assembly Plant L - Van Nuys, CA
207162 - Fisher Body Unit Number
19N - Interior Trim Code = 19B Lombardy II & Hobnail Cloth
L - Paint Type W - Water Based Paint
A51 - Bucket Seats
19L - Lower Body Paint Code 19 Starlight Black
19U - Upper Body Paint Code 19 Starlight Black
CC1 - Fisher T-tops
A31 - Power Windows ( my code is slightly different with B34 and does have
the power window option)
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No, the shaker hood was available with either the non turbo 4.9 liter and the 5.0 liter in 1980 and 1981
Then this really has my curiousity...if this car is a 1981 as implied with a non turbo 4.9 liter or a 5.0
liter then why would he have 6.6 on the shaker???
Makes no sense to me.. I guess we need to call Rick to find out why he would do such A thing. I have seen
his work and I would not see why he would decieve us like this? I am sorry, I don't buy the car is a 81.
Even the photos are marked 79 spec edition, and I did not change the file names. Is it possible that someone else owns the car?
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Oh, so this is a car you bought from Rick @ Trans Am Specialties in Miami?
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Oh, so this is a car you bought from Rick @ Trans Am Specialties in Miami?
No. I never implied that anywhere. I'm not sure if you understand the questioning or the discussion.
Thanks!
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So I'm confused? ....
You posted some shots from the Trans Am Specialties Miami site back on reply #16
http://www.transamflorida.com/1981turboSEnumber118.htm
Reply #19 - Lomileta caught the TA specialties post you made and mentioned "Rick"
Reply #22 - I believe you had thought that '81 cars didn't have shakers
Reply #23 - Lomileta also corrected you that '80 & '81 cars came with shaker hoods - you sort of looked stupid there.
Reply #28 - I clarified the issues and sort of pulled your fat from the fire and tried to re-center the discussion to give you the benefit of the doubt.
You've posted the VIN. It's states it's a 1979 TA, Z coded car (400). It still has yet to be established that it's an SE ... and you don't know what year the motor is but "the motor is definalty a 400".
How am I doing?
You should definitely get the PHS docs and establish the authenticity of the engine to be above board.
You should also try not to come out of the gate real hard unless you know more than everyone here.
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No, the shaker hood was available with either the non turbo 4.9 liter and the 5.0 liter in 1980 and 1981
Then this really has my curiousity...if this car is a 1981 as implied with a non turbo 4.9 liter or a 5.0
liter then why would he have 6.6 on the shaker???
Makes no sense to me.. I guess we need to call Rick to find out why he would do such A thing. I have seen
his work and I would not see why he would decieve us like this? I am sorry, I don't buy the car is a 81.
Even the photos are marked 79 spec edition, and I did not change the file names. Is it possible that someone else owns the car?
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Yes please call Rick ANd tell him Russ says hi,( Phones: shop line 1(786 )242.2106 you can also try 1(305)412.5000), and ask him if it is not an 81, why he would put an 81 gas door on it. I'll bet you will be surprised when he tells you that it IS an 81 only part .
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So I'm confused? ....
You posted some shots from the Trans Am Specialties Miami site back on reply #16
http://www.transamflorida.com/1981turboSEnumber118.htm
Correct. So whey they claim it is..not me..
Reply #19 - Lomileta caught the TA specialties post you made and mentioned "Rick"
Reply #22 - I believe you had thought that '81 cars didn't have shakers
I was unsure about the shakers.. Excuse me, but its been 30 yrs...
Reply #23 - Lomileta also corrected you that '80 & '81 cars came with shaker hoods - you sort of looked stupid there.
So you can order it with a shaker for any year...thats not to say someone cant put a shaker or a clone of a turbo hood either does it?
Reply #28 - I clarified the issues and sort of pulled your fat from the fire and tried to re-center the discussion to give you the benefit of the doubt.
No harm intended.
You've posted the VIN. It's states it's a 1979 TA, Z coded car (400). It still has yet to be established that it's an SE ... and you don't know what year the motor is but "the motor is definalty a 400".
How am I doing?
Your doing fine. How many PHS documented cars were painted starlight black, T Tops, 400, 4 speed
and NOT real special editions? do we have numbers? id be interested.
You should definitely get the PHS docs and establish the authenticity of the engine to be above board.
Not a problem. Sending for the PHS as we speak.
You should also try not to come out of the gate real hard unless you know more than everyone here.
Ditto.
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You guys win. Now can get back to the topic back on track with the sale of the car?
Thanks!
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Shouldn't there be a Y code on the cowl tag if it's an SE from Norwood? It's not there from what you posted. Did you look for the build sheet?
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BODY CODE:
7904A2FS87L207162
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Shouldn't there be a Y code on the cowl tag if it's an SE from Norwood?
Cowl tag info states "L" for Van Nuys plant.
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Van Nuys didn't stamp Y codes on cowl tags. PHS is the ONLY way to verify true SE or not.
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Correct ... mine is L coded as well.
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Car needs to move this week, so I can finish up a deal with family.
I have listed the car on ebay with a $1500 res. yes....thats a steal!
If you want it bid now as its only 3 days..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290356534662#ht_12568wt_950
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Ebay link says the auction has been removed...??
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yes. as soon as it was listed. Not sure what is going on. Ill try to get another link once ebay tells me what is wrong.
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i see the pictures posted of the one t/a is a 79 he is correct guys. look at the dash, one speaker hole in the center not two on the sides. mr. ta specialties of florida doesnt always do things correctly as I noticed alot of his se sail birds are off.
I do have one question why the odd price at first then you drop the price to 7800 then put only a $1500 reserve on the car?
whats your actual asking price of the car?
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I do have one question why the odd price at first then you drop the price to 7800 then put only a $1500 reserve on the car?
whats your actual asking price of the car?
Good question. Ill try to explain. My family is up my a** to sale it. Why? I really do not need the car. Its not a necessity right now. My family has promised me a 85 Z28 convertible. All I have to do is git rid of the TA and a couple of more family commitments I made. I have realized since I posted this, that no one will give me collector price. Fine.
The drop to $7800 was to buy a 81 corvette here local. No response on the $7800 listing.
Fine. I have since listed it at 6k on craigslist Here:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1400227077.html.
Lots of phone calls, but the car sits at 6k....
Why? I do not have a title. Why do I not have a title? Because I was lied to when I bought the car from the seller.
He told me he had one, he in fact did not. I do not want to shell out $700 for title work and transfer.
Someone could shell out (the new buyer) approx $125 for a bonded title.
I do not care at this point. The car really needs to be gone this week. I tried to list it on ebay, and after 4 min of the listing ebay without warning removed the ad, and suspsended my account at the same time. The reason was a bunch of blank emailed canned notes. I have no idea why I got suspended. I would like to get 6k for the car.
I paid 5k cash for the car, but I have already done some work to it myself and invested more money in it.
I could sale the car for 2k and still come out ok on my end as I have another car promised to me.
Any reasonable offers will not be refused. Even trades or partial trades. The car will come with a bill of sale that I was given, and I can write one up as well. I am one of the most honest straight up kinda guys you will ever meet.
The plan is now If I cant sale the car by this thursday I am going to apply for a bonded title and simply keep it.
If you or anyone else wants it, come and get it. Its still here. The car will drive on its own. I probably would not drive it over 100 miles to any one location, but it will drive and climb up on a trailor on its own.
Come and get it. My name is Teddy I am in Mesqute Texas, 75149 Phone again is 972-289-8256 call and we can discuss any and all of it.
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it looks like a really old paint job. looking at the hood pics the way its rusted it looks like one of the off brand 4 piece bird kits not the one piece bird.
my car is a 79 301 4speed. I wish it had its motor. something like 1400 in 79.
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I will sacrifice this car this week only for $2,000.00 I will take not one red cent less than that.
firm. it DOES NOT have a title, please do not ask. That is the reason for the low price, you will need to obtain a BONDED title. Comes with bill of sale ONLY. Please do not ask for a title as is does not come with one. I DO NOT HAVE ONE. People still call and ask if it comes with a title????
Call me quick and make arrangements or it will be gone.
972-289-8256. Car is in Mesquite Tx 75149
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SOLD
$2K
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congrats on your sale. i thought it would be hard to sell a car with no title.
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congrats on your sale. i thought it would be hard to sell a car with no title.
Lesson learned. Moral of story.. NEVER buy a ANY car without a title under ANY circumstance.