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Offline hada76

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top speed
« on: June 07, 2009, 02:44:30 AM »
i know there is alot said and written about hp/torque numbers but.....which year T/A(69-81)(82up) had the fastest top speed from the factory?          just wondering   
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Re: top speed
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 09:33:47 AM »
yeah true, top speed seems to be neglected compared to 1/4 miles time. I am myself more into speed than accelleration (Germany is 5 mins away from where I live  ;D), and I love to overtake modern ricers at 120 mph  >:D . Do you guys know which is the most extreme ratio for top speed I could install in my (nearly) stock 400 76?
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Offline jphillips3333

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 01:06:43 PM »
I'd assume some of the later models would have more top speed.  They didn't put in a 2.56 rear axle ratio in until 1974, the 2.41 came out in '76.  Then you start getting into drag vs. HP/RPM as the determining factor in top speed which is a whole separate discussion.

I'd guess that a '79 with a 2.41 would have more top speed than a '74 Super Duty with a 3.42.  I'd throw out the '80/'81 cars as I'd read that they had to hop those up to support the pace car speed requirements.


"Extreme ratio" ... the 2.41 is a candidate, I'm sure there are other axle ratios/aftermarket considerations.  You're 1/4 mile time will suffer.  Jack up the car and count the revolutions of the driveshaft against the rotation of the tire - that'll tell you what you have now.
Do you guys know which is the most extreme ratio for top speed I could install in my (nearly) stock 400 76?
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Re: top speed
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 06:15:39 PM »
The problem with the later cars equipped with the numerically lower (i.e., 2-series) rear gears is that by that time they were all equipped with a single exhaust and an extremely restrictive pellet-bed catalytic converter.  That severely limited the ability of the engine to breathe at the upper RPMs, and the HP produced at speed reflected that.  The result was drag-limited top speeds at lower RPMs than you'd think.  The 403s in particular were not high-RPM engines so they wouldn't make impressive numbers regardless of the rear gearing.

Few magazines tested top speed, as most accepted the manufacturer's claim rather than confirm it for themselves due to the problems and risks associated with doing so.  Car & Driver magazine was the exception until recently, when legal liabilities finally forced them to suspend independent verifications on road tests.  If you had the time, that'd be the source to check to see which had the best speed.

My bet would be on a 70-1/2 RAIII 4 speed with a low-3 rear gear.  Those had the good exhaust manifolds, richer jetting, more aggressive timing, and true dual exhaust.

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Re: top speed
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2009, 10:25:37 AM »
I would think it would be an early model 70-73, I had a friend with a 71 Formula 455 4 speed.  If I remember correctly it had a 2.56 rear gear, 160mph speedo.  He was a pilot and autocrossed the car.  It would do 80mph in 1st gear and 120mph in second.

Indicated on the speedo of course so not 100% correct.  I am pretty sure it's top speed was in the 150 range.
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Re: top speed
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2009, 12:30:38 PM »
wee just becasue someone puts a 160 spedo in a car doesn't necessarily say it will do it. my moms aurora's speedo goes up to 240 and i highly doubt that it can come close. my 79 has a 120 speedo and when i took it to the dyno she topped out at 124.5 mph right at the red line. i cant rememebr off the top of my head what gears i have but its the ws6 so im sure the gears are in the 3's
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Re: top speed
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 01:12:17 PM »
And also remember, it will show a higher speed on a dyno than in real world conditions since it's not fighting air or road drag.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 01:16:43 PM »
well he did have a very high speed fan infront of my car.  :)  but your right i didn't think of that  :(
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Re: top speed
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2009, 02:20:53 PM »
anyone else ever just test thier car to see what it can do? in the 1/8 mine hit 92mph..but I dont know about 1/4 or highway...alot of factors to consider...3.42 gears.
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Re: top speed
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 09:34:09 AM »
I backed off my car once it crossed *ahem* 90mph according to the speedo on a country road. There was still plenty of headroom to go faster. I had very limited miles on the engine/tranny/rear end so I wanted to be careful on what I was doing until it was fully broken in. I imagine with a 200R4 it'd easily cross into the 100+ range without grenading anything.

But why? Roads aren't rated for that kind of speed around here and hitting something (deer, person, another vehicle, semi) or losing control & wiping out become a distinct possibility if you have no idea what you're doing - like me. I'm a lot smarter now with the Y88 - its power does scare me sometimes - and very rarely cross 80mph (usually passing some yahoo doing 45mph in a 55mph who then decides they want to race).

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Re: top speed
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2009, 09:52:57 AM »
Id imagine mine could be pretty high, considering the 3:23 gears and the 2004r trans. On the way to Dayton last year, I ran it about 95-100mph for about 75 miles at about 3200-3300 RPMs. ( had to go, then had to catch up)
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Re: top speed
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2009, 10:29:01 AM »
thats sweet what i haet about going fast on the highway is when you get off you find yurself speedin on the back roads cuz yuo feel like your going mad slow
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Re: top speed
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2009, 10:42:16 AM »
wee just becasue someone puts a 160 spedo in a car doesn't necessarily say it will do it. my moms aurora's speedo goes up to 240 and i highly doubt that it can come close. my 79 has a 120 speedo and when i took it to the dyno she topped out at 124.5 mph right at the red line. i cant rememebr off the top of my head what gears i have but its the ws6 so im sure the gears are in the 3's


Wow you are a bright one, who would have thought

"wee just becasue someone puts a 160 spedo in a car doesn't necessarily say it will do it"
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 10:56:48 AM »
GUY this i a trans am cite not a national spelling bee. people understood what i meant
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Re: top speed
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 11:03:59 AM »
I put a 160 speedo in my car and I know it will do 130. >:D
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