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Title: ???? 403 4 speed 1979 ????????
Post by: 4SPEED on May 03, 2009, 01:50:29 PM
 I didnt think there was a 403 4speed.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/1149507541.html

(http://www.78ta.com/gallery2/main.php/d/16324-1/3ke3o13ldZZZZZZZZZ9529ff88361478d102a.jpeg)

1979 Pontiac Trans Am with a 403 small block that was an original 4 speed.
Title: Re: ???? 403 4 speed 1979 ????????
Post by: jphillips3333 on May 03, 2009, 02:41:18 PM
There isn't ... at least not from the factory.
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 03, 2009, 03:21:17 PM
No they only made the 403 in an auto. prob because they didn't want people over reving them and with an auto the odds of it happening would be less likely.  so you don't spin a bearing.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 03, 2009, 04:08:25 PM
that is what i told the guy.  I no there was no 403 4 speeds.
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 03, 2009, 05:12:17 PM
Can you even bolt a warner t10 4 speed on a 403 olds
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Post by: jphillips3333 on May 03, 2009, 05:30:19 PM
There's no pilot bearing location on the 403.  You have to either get it machined or swap the crank.  Have him send you a shot of the engine - that'll tell you if it's a 403 or a 400 - he may not know the difference.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 03, 2009, 06:00:50 PM
 i asked him for pics. and the vin #
its a 301 4speed car with a 403, i think.
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Post by: jphillips3333 on May 03, 2009, 06:04:21 PM
OK ... pix help
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 03, 2009, 06:17:17 PM
he asked me if I want it or not for 3k . I told him hell ya. I'll take the rarest of all the trans am's , one of one 403 , 4 speed.  ::)  :P
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 03, 2009, 10:18:25 PM
you should ask him for a photo of the pedals. perhaps he is mistaking the emergency brake for a clutch pedal
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Post by: ponchonutty on May 04, 2009, 06:16:45 PM
I was bored today so I called the guy.  Let me say that this guy was interesting to listen to.  He talked about that he has a M21 tranny ready for the car that's sitting inside his bedroom!!!!  I explained to him that I was confused about his listing.  I said..."what motor is in this car?  Pontiac never had a big block or small block, the only 403ci motor they've used was a Olds motor which they've never installed with a 4sp tranny."  He said that it was indeed a 403.  So I asked where the oil filler was...."was it on in the front center of the engine or in the middle of the dr. side valve cover."  He said it was on the side.  So, I said OK so it's not a 403 but a 400.  He said no, it's a big block 403. (?) 
Anyway you put it I'd stay away from the guy because I'm sure the car is hacked and wacked unless you could get it for under $1k.  You'd think since he's hoarding parts in his bedroom he's just a Poncho nut like us but the further we got into our conversation I don't think he even clearly knows his own name or address.
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Post by: jphillips3333 on May 04, 2009, 06:26:45 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

......but the further we got into our conversation I don't think he even clearly knows his own name or address.
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 04, 2009, 06:46:57 PM
haha i beleieve that there are cooks out there.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 04, 2009, 07:33:03 PM
I talked to him, trying to ask him stuff or tell him that motor and trans will not go together.  he doesn't no his head from his a$$.

the dudes crust fell off his sandwich a long time ago.
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Post by: coreyvett on May 04, 2009, 07:40:39 PM
How is a reliable car if the tranny is in his bed room ? Ill bet his name is cletus and he can count to potatoe.
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Post by: ponchonutty on May 04, 2009, 09:05:58 PM
Ya know seriously I almost passed up a good deal on my ta because the guy really didn't know anything about the car.  The only reason he owned it was that his neighbor had it and he liked it so he bought it.  He hardly ever drove it either.  I thought he was trying to pull a fast one on me but he turned out to be very honest. 

This other guy with the 403 4sp car on the other hand.....I think he's just nuts.  I too thought that it was interesting when he stated the car being so reliable but the tranny was in his bedroom.  I could just emagine what his room would look like too.  No way in hell would I go walking into someone's home to pull out a major part out of someone's bedroom.  I can't emagine what he's done to the tranny in his bedroom.  Maybe he got mixed up on a bad batch of X-mas crack and he was talking about the 2 legged tranny in his bedroom????
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Post by: y88rick on May 04, 2009, 09:47:15 PM
lmfao haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa holy crap what a story
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 04, 2009, 10:40:09 PM
maybe he is into trannys but cant get a real one in his bedroom. i wanna know what made him carrry the thing all the way into his bedroom.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 04, 2009, 10:54:46 PM
maybe he's keeping it in the closet.  sounds like the next  Jerry Springer Show.  :o
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Post by: y88rick on May 04, 2009, 10:56:10 PM
lol i keep car parts in the stinkin pole barn
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 05, 2009, 02:18:48 PM
i wanna know what made him carrry the thing all the way into his bedroom.

His mommy told him to get it off the top of the tv. It was interfering with the reception.
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Post by: RRR76TA on May 05, 2009, 06:43:46 PM
Keeps him warm at night
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Post by: ponchonutty on May 05, 2009, 07:21:23 PM
maybe he's a gear grinder?
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 08, 2009, 06:23:11 PM
The VIN number is...2W879N173129   He left one letter out....  the motor size.   ::)    2W87 ? 9N173129
i told him. if it is what he thinks it is the vin would be   2W87K9N100001   or somthing like that.
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Post by: ponchonutty on May 09, 2009, 08:05:38 AM
This guy is a work of art!
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 09, 2009, 08:35:38 AM
that is funny. hemust know his stuff if he knew which letter toleave out
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Post by: ponchonutty on May 09, 2009, 08:46:34 AM
Yeah I think he's playing possum, begging for anyone to just come and look at the thing.  He'd probably take $500 for it but because he seems so shady on the way he answers questions no one wants to take the chance.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 09, 2009, 01:12:03 PM
I got this e-mail today..

This car was apparently a 301 when new. This was not known to me until now. All I know is that it does in fac have a 403 and was stick shift. I am sorry for wasting your time. Have a nice day.
 
Tim


I e-mailed him back with.


ok its a 301 car that's fine.  but I am trying to tell you your 4 speed will not bolt to a 403 olds motor.  in all of GM's history they never had a 403 olds 4 speed motor. the crank shafts were not bored for a pilot barring. the end of the input shaft sticks into the crank where a barring is pressed in. old 403 never did it.
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 09, 2009, 02:51:12 PM
No, they didn't come from the factory with the crank machined for the pilot bushing and input shaft. But there are ways around that. A couple of companies make (or did) an adapter bushing that requires the input shaft be cut a little. Or you can swap in a 350 crank which would be otherwise identical.
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 09, 2009, 05:37:48 PM
Perhaps the guy before him did just that. maybe he knew more what he was doing then this new owner of the car.  idk either way it sounds fishy
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 09, 2009, 10:10:56 PM
Perhaps the guy before him did just that. maybe he knew more what he was doing then this new owner of the car.  idk either way it sounds fishy

That's possible. But I have to admit, it's odd to swap from a Pontiac engine of any size to an Olds. I mean, I'm proff that people do it, but we're talking pretty long odds.
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Post by: jphillips3333 on May 09, 2009, 10:14:24 PM
Yeah, I mean it's stupid.  Why would you EVER want to run an Olds motor when you've got a Pontiac.  ;)   Sorry, couldn't resist.
Title: Re: ???? 403 4 speed 1979 ????????
Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 09, 2009, 10:48:50 PM
Yeah, I mean it's stupid.  Why would you EVER want to run an Olds motor when you've got a Pontiac.  ;)   Sorry, couldn't resist.

I just like to go against the grain. The 455 Olds in the Trans Am and the 400 in the Cutlass. ;)
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 10, 2009, 08:01:42 AM
Im going to look at the car next week.  from the pics it looks good. just going to try to get the car.  i have two 301's , one 403 and two 77 400's . dont need another 403.
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 10, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
I'll take the 403 if you don't want it. ;)
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 10, 2009, 01:46:04 PM
money talks. how much is it worth to you?
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 10, 2009, 05:05:57 PM
alright this guy is an !@#$%& .  he sent me a pic of the 403 olds motor.   :-\  it looks like a 301 pontiac to me.
the pic isnt grate but doesnt look like a olds to me.

(http://www.78ta.com/gallery2/main.php/d/16588-1/transammotor.jpg)
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 10, 2009, 05:18:25 PM
Pontiac
(http://www.78ta.com/gallery2/main.php/d/16590-1/100_0739.JPG)

Olds 403
(http://www.78ta.com/gallery2/main.php/d/16592-1/100_0740.JPG)
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 10, 2009, 05:34:35 PM
sure looks like a pontiac to me.  if it was a 403 wouldn't there be a tube stickin up in the front of the motor almost like an oil filler tube
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Post by: ponchonutty on May 10, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
Sure looks like a 301 to me too.
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 10, 2009, 08:59:39 PM
Well, can't tell the size, but definitely a Poncho.
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 10, 2009, 10:15:26 PM
now this may be a stupd question but i always see the word poncho. what exactly does that mean? are all pontiac built motors called ponchos if so why is that?
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 10, 2009, 11:09:12 PM
It's just a nick name.
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Post by: y88rick on May 11, 2009, 09:50:13 PM
lmfao thank you for making my day lmfao. what is poncho? what is a bow tie exactly? lmfao sorry had to do it. lol lol lol crying now lol lol lol
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Post by: y88rick on May 11, 2009, 09:51:00 PM
i mean to be correct a poncho is a form of a rain coat lol.
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 11, 2009, 10:41:50 PM
hah the type you use in the boyscouts. thos things sucked. they would just stick to you and you would end up getting wet. i mean i suppose not as wet but id rather hold and unbrella
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Post by: y88rick on May 12, 2009, 06:49:18 AM
umbrella's are for sissies. poncho's are for people who need to use both hands and get the job done ahhh yes the poncho's them things really are worthless. (the rain coat that is)
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Post by: LOMILETA on May 12, 2009, 09:10:52 AM
Now that weve confirmed a Pontiac motor, Thuis might just be a real good find.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 25, 2009, 04:01:07 PM
I looked at the car Thursday, its in good shape.  needs body and paint job and all seat recovered and so on. but it a ws6 4 wheel disk, 4 speed 301 car. so I got it . bring it home this week. will post pics latter.
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Post by: jphillips3333 on May 25, 2009, 06:08:13 PM
Cool - congrats.
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Post by: ponchonutty on May 25, 2009, 06:33:59 PM
I'm glad that someone got it away from that fool!!!
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Post by: y88rick on May 25, 2009, 07:07:14 PM
lmfao good job did you get it for cheap?
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 25, 2009, 10:27:36 PM
1500.00  no motor or trans.  it's not the #'s motor or trans any way. it's never been painted, so I hope the build sheet is there. if there is no build sheet it will go on eBay with a sbc and 5.0 shaker setup.  or use a 89 gta 301 tpi motor I have, with a turbo hood. i dont no what i'm going to do with it yet. i have two 79's not done yet. 4 speed black Y84 clone and a   403 WS4 #'s car.
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Post by: y88rick on May 25, 2009, 10:39:24 PM
sound like me impulsive buyer. well i found it and i could afford it. didnt need it but i bought it and dont really know what to do with it lol.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 26, 2009, 01:15:21 AM
well I love the 2end gen cars and hate to see them in someone back yard rusting away.  this one isn't that bad of shape.  I may keep it. after all they are only going up in price. two many people buy them and do nothing with them. awwww I'll fix - R - up some day. they say. I buy 1 or 2 a year and sell or part it if there is no title or to rusty. I have many part for them (not for sale) . been collecting them for 22 years. 
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 26, 2009, 09:14:59 AM
I have many part for them (not for sale) .

Is that because you're going to do something with them someday? ;)



...or part it if there is no title...

ggrrr >:(
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Post by: y88rick on May 26, 2009, 10:10:51 AM
he's waiting until parts are obsolete and then he's going to charge 797-2500 for that headlight switchyou just cannot find lol
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 27, 2009, 06:03:59 AM
well. do you remember the days when you could buy a parts car for 200 to 700 dollars? and now cant touch them for less then a grand now.  parts I keep are hoods, fenders, doors, shakers & parts, dash pad & parts, 455 400 403 motors, WS6 parts, wire harnesses, and interior trim parts and wheels.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 27, 2009, 06:20:42 AM
he's waiting until parts are obsolete and then he's going to charge 797-2500 for that headlight switchyou just cannot find lol
no i dont keep the light switch..  I use to sell the radio knobs for 50+ but like most other parts like the headlight switch they are repoped now.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 27, 2009, 06:47:36 AM
...or part it if there is no title...

ggrrr >:(
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sure Y not. the last one I parted was a 79 10 year car. semi hit it.  it had its build sheet so I have that and the title, motor ,trans, body tag and took the dash panel with the vin. I paid 300 for the car. and a guy offered me 2000 for it last year at the nationals in Dayton.  what would you do?
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Post by: Joker (告r茺agon) on May 27, 2009, 11:05:17 AM
But that's not the same as parting it out because it doesn't have a title.
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Post by: 4SPEED on May 27, 2009, 07:40:47 PM
ok, true.  I paid 600 for a no title t/a . it had good fenders , ok doors , nice seats and dash and so on.  quarters bad and holes in the floor and the back tail panel was trash.  I put the car on eBay for 2 week. my reserve was 800.00 , no bids over 400 on it.  tons of emails for parts.  the parts sold for over 2000 and scrapped the rest when the price of scrap was high last year.  keep in mind it is very hard to get a title in Ohio. you just cant go to the BMV and get a new one. and if it's a out of state car for get it. got to go to the court house do a bunch of paper work. pay for a title search. contact that person. mail some papers to them to sign ( if they do it) ( if they have the same phone #) get all the papers back, go stand in front of a judge and get him to sign the papers then you can send the papers to Columbus Oh. to the BMV and wait 8 to 10 week for your title.  heck with all that.  :P
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Post by: 4SPEED on June 02, 2009, 12:29:59 AM
went to go pick the car up.  and took the guy that does the body work. the car is all gone in the rear. and had a quarter put on in the past. pi$$ poor job on it. I don't want to do that much work on one so I past on buying it.  the motor is a 73 pont 400 with 4x heads.  not a 301 or 403 olds. like he told me. the car is a 301 4 speed WS4 car by the vin.  I found another one I go look at it Wednesday.  over by Indy.
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on June 02, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
haha FINALLY the truth.
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Post by: 4SPEED on June 07, 2009, 09:46:38 PM
went over by Indy. and looked at another trans am. its a 79 with a 77 nose on it. got it for 1500  came with a 73 ho400 and 400 trans. and a ton of parts he had.
oh ya, has the build sheet to.   ;)

(http://www.78ta.com/gallery2/main.php/d/17441-1/100_0777.JPG)
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Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on June 08, 2009, 07:44:19 AM
nice find you going to rebuild or use as a parts car