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Title: Build a Bandit
Post by: Hitman on August 16, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
Any questions about Build a Bandit should be directed towards the Site Administrator. This thread had to me moved for reasons that cannot be discussed for right now. We need to keep the word out there about Build a Bandit and not to go with them and try to keep this info out there for people to be aware of. The previous thread has been moved at the owners request for now. More to follow soon.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 16, 2012, 05:37:33 PM
This should include the alias shop names Pontiac Pros and Discount Classic Auto Restoration.
Potential buyers beware!!!  I'm assuming that the previous 70 page thread got taken down because crooks understand the legal system better than their victims.  I'll stick to just my story and what I know from personal experience.
My husband, Ed, paid in full $15,000 for a car restoration that was to last 11-12 months.  He'd spoken with Bob Mcelreath several times over the phone and told him this was a bucket list item.  Ed had just been diagnosed with a very rare debilitating disease.  Coincidentally, Bob had a friend with the very same rare disease.  Bob insisted that Ed stop bidding on the car on E-bay and agree to what he promised to be a much lower price for a full restoration with all the bells and whistles.  Bob insisted that he did enough business that he could afford to pass on his good fortune with someone facing such a miserable disease.  If anything should happen to Ed before the car was completed I would receive a full refund.  If he died afterward Bob assured him that his quality of car would easily be worth $25-30,000 and could really help me out if needed.  Ed was on cloud 9.  He wound up winning the bid anyway for $16,000, but Bob was so honest and good,he agreed to the original set upon price of $15,000.  $15,000 was wire transferred on June 4, 2012 and we received the paperwork (stamped ďPaidĒ) on June 7th.  Later that night Ed died from an unknown heart condition.
I sent the final paperwork in a week later with the new information and a request for a phone call or e-mail to discuss the car.  I left a message on one of Bobís phone lines a few days later.  After a week I started e-mailing.  After 6 weeks of attempting to call both phone lines with only a ďmailbox fullĒ message and well over a dozen e-mails I gave up trying to communicate with them from a distance.  In those 6 weeks I received 1 e-mail promising a call back later the same evening.  It never came.  I sent a certified letter demanding a full refund and stating that Iíd be driving to the shop to pick it up.  I show up at the shop Ė a 4 Ĺ hour drive from my house and Bobís son (or step-son) Zak, the ďbuild coordinator,Ē is upset that he has to drive a whole 20 minutes to meet with me.  He never does.  He sends another employee with 2 copies of a new contract stating that the old contract is voided and they will reimburse me $15,000 within 30 business days.
As soon as I return home I learn that Bob is mass e-mailing all his customers explaining his absence and declaring a 30-60 day minimum hold on all contracts.  He had another family emergency (they happen quite a bit in his family if you believe him).  The company capital had been depleted.   He is liquidating the non-essential assets of his company to help him meet our unjustified demand for cars and refunds.  He threatens that any attempts by customers to get a lawyer or go to other legal authorities will force him into bankruptcy.  Further e-mails state that one customer (who he didnít mention was more than 6 months overdue a ďbeautifulĒ car) was spreading mistruths and causing people to demand refunds.  Another e-mail unilaterally voids all contracts not signed by him.  Still another e-mail said that no one had paid him since June 1st (I have paperwork from his shop that prove otherwise, Iíve been in contact with at least one other that also paid in full, and still another got positive feedback from Bob Ė usually a seller only leaves positive feedback after the money is taken in).
Private contact with me are just unintelligible gibberish that contradicts his group e-mails.  He claims that the capital is depleted because employees had purchased things not even related to the shop yet a few minutes later he claims that he is the only one that makes purchases.  When I ask why my husbandís money wasnít used for his car he first explains that that is just how he does business and then he explains that he has receipts made for my husband (Heíd been gone or ignoring 6 weeks of  e-mails requesting contact yet he can purchase things for the car?) I have been in contact with 8 or 9 other customers that are all experiencing the same communication problems and contradictions.  He is horribly late on most cars.  He outright states that he is obtaining capital by selling more restorations.  He outright states that he is intending to use the money people pay thinking that he will use that money for their car and instead use it to refund me and others and finish still othersí cars.  He was upset that I added a warning to my husbandís premature positive feedback and claimed that I am hurting my chance of helping him help me (I refuse to be part of conning more victims).
This man is not to be trusted at all.  He banks on the fact that he is selling cars that are usually bought centered around a life crisis (divorce, disease, life celebration, death, etc.).  People arenít thinking straight and get conned into giving all the money up front.  Hindsight is awesome.  Bob has changed his company name at least 3 times to get rid of bad publicity and Iíd guess legal reasons.  The latest was to Pontiac Pros.  I can guarantee that my husband looked up Pontiac Pros before agreeing to the car.  There wasnít anything out there about them yet. Google the multitude of other complaints about Bob on the internet before handing over money.  I have no personal knowledge of the quality of his work.  If you believe the hordes of previous customers, the ones that actually manage to get a car, it is not what is promised.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 16, 2012, 06:59:21 PM
I asked Brett to move the thread and I sent you reason why.

 George W Payne
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on August 16, 2012, 07:18:42 PM
In my own little way, reading that 70+ page thread was one of the highlights of the day for me. Not because of the misfortune of the victims of BAB, but with the hope that Bob was getting closer to getting what he deserves. Hopefully the original thread will live another day.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: trentonmakes on August 16, 2012, 08:32:48 PM
X2
waiting on the post his shop was raided by irs or sherriffs dept.

Was kind of like a soap opera or an ongoing saga. Some of his replies just have to make you laugh.

WTF are going to look foraward too reading now???

Was curious too see also if anyone else was going to folow George, and try to get thier car or some kind of reimbursement from him.
Actually, very surprised noone else has yet, that im aware of.
Well TA Widow, has been trying, hope to see/hear some good news about that soon

Whatever you guys do
Stay on em!

Sent From My Fancy Little Thinking Box
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 16, 2012, 09:50:30 PM
Bob is back at it on Ebay Motors......no T/A's just mustang's and Camoro's. Wish we could stop him.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 16, 2012, 11:02:11 PM
This is my last update for a while unless something really interesting develops.  It seems that the complaint boards and the thread served my purpose of warning potential new victims of what awaited them should they "win" his auctions.  I hope it holds true for the Mustangs and Camaros victims.  Here's his personal e-mail to me tonight:
Carol,
 
I just saw the damage you inflected on eBay and link to our website.  It was brought to my attention by a customer that backed of a deal for over 20k.  He understood the crazy man with the half finished car, and the other rebuttals, but cited your post as the reason why he wasnít ordering. I also had an order last night back out too. Another 20k lost.  That would have solved a lot of Mrs. Izdepski and your problems. You helped burn away your fast refund.  But you know best it seems.
 
Bob

I have no idea who Mrs. Izdepski is or who bid $20,000, let alone 2 people bidding that much.  Since the top bid only went for $13,600, does that mean he has even more victims out there that buy away from e-bay?  God help us all.
See you guys.
Thanks for all the advice and well wishes.  Right back at ya.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on August 17, 2012, 02:55:20 AM
I hope this thread can continue to spread the word of BAB's criminal enterprises, and Bob's comical, psychotic, pathological emails.

Good luck to all who are out money, hopefully you can at least see bob rot in jail someday
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 17, 2012, 07:57:10 AM
Doubtful it will help but the Camaro was reported as fraudulent. I'll let someone else handle the Mustang.

And we probably should back off just a touch as none of us have a horse in this race. Not saying that BAB is right in any means, they really should meet with "Bubba" in the State Pen some day.

We all can continue to flag his eBay auctions if desired....if eBay gets enough of these, perhaps it will get BAB banned to avoid someone else getting scammed.

George, if you get advised elsewise, just let me know and I'll change my eBay habits to fit your needs .


My $0.02.

**Modified at request of George.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 17, 2012, 08:34:17 AM
I would like to see everybody on this site flag BAB P/P's Camaro and Mustang ads. It's 73 Camaro and a 65-66 Mustang as fraudulent.......thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on August 17, 2012, 10:11:24 AM
Do you have a link?  Im terrible at searching for thigns on ebay.

Thank you
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 17, 2012, 10:25:27 AM
I'm not good with that but I bet someone here will send you the link.....Midyear? Maybe?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Izzy on August 17, 2012, 10:43:05 AM
Here ya go
turtlevhare (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/turtlevhare/m.html)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Izzy on August 17, 2012, 10:48:43 AM
I cant believe i almost bought a car from Bob, i got my TA from Trans Am Florida instead. I just want to thank everyone here for showing Bob for what he is, a liar and a thief.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 17, 2012, 11:00:04 AM
Izzy, you live in Fla?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Izzy on August 17, 2012, 11:21:42 AM
I lived in Ft Laud for about 10 years. I moved to texas a few months before i bought the car though.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on August 17, 2012, 05:02:09 PM

I just saw the damage you inflected on eBay and link to our website.  It was brought to my attention by a customer that backed of a deal for over 20k.  He understood the crazy man with the half finished car, and the other rebuttals, but cited your post as the reason why he wasnít ordering. I also had an order last night back out too. Another 20k lost.  That would have solved a lot of Mrs. Izdepski and your problems. You helped burn away your fast refund.  But you know best it seems.
 
Bob

What a total punk this guy is...robbing Peter to pay Paul cause he spent all of Mathew, Mark, and Luke's money at the Casino Royal.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on August 17, 2012, 05:07:06 PM
I reported the Stang...here is from eRape web-site: "The listing misrepresents the vehicle's title or vehicle identification number (VIN), or it doesn't include a VIN. "

Trying them all over time hopefully eRape gets it right.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 17, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Thanks guys, Hopefully Ebay will take notice if enough of us report it. I did both of them. I noticed there are no T/A's......wonder why?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on August 17, 2012, 05:21:50 PM
I noticed there are no T/A's......wonder why?

Because he has already sucked the money out of the Pontiac Lovers wallets...the well has ran dry!!!  Hopefully we can save our brothers and sisters of the Chevy/Ford/Mopar worlds from his scam before it's to late for them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 17, 2012, 05:26:43 PM
I noticed there are no T/A's......wonder why?

Because he has already sucked the money out of the Pontiac Lovers wallets...the well has ran dry!!!  Hopefully we can save our brothers and sisters of the Chevy/Ford/Mopar worlds from his scam before it's to late for them.

 ha...guess if he gets into the mopar thing...hemi cuda's built to suit, Shelby mustangs, vintage race cars, all no reserve, please send me your $$$$
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: osso12 on August 17, 2012, 05:46:16 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-GT-1966-Mustang-Fully-Restored-No-Reserve-/251132693591?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a78accc57

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-1973-Any-Camaro-Z28-SS-NO-RESERVE-/251132697638?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a78acdc26
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 17, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
Soooo you don't think it has anything to do with the fact that I wrote him and told him the next time his T/A AD goes up my partially finnish T/A will be right behind it?   LOL
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on August 18, 2012, 02:06:42 PM
Soooo you don't think it has anything to do with the fact that I wrote him and told him the next time his T/A AD goes up my partially finnish T/A will be right behind it?   LOL

Very well could be it as well!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobg on August 18, 2012, 02:28:33 PM
I don't see anywhere in the two auctions where he references the business name  or his website. He also doesn't reference his TA builds anymore. I am guessing he hopes the bidders don't link  the auction to the bad publicity out there on the net. I wouldn't be surprised if a new business name popped up. Wonder what the answer would be if a bidder called and asked for the business name?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 18, 2012, 02:34:17 PM
I foresee another name change soon, what might it be??

Choose a Camaro?
Make A Mopar?
Have a Hemi?

the real choice should be Pontiac Woes or Rip Off Restoration...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: b_hill_86 on August 18, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
I foresee another name change soon, what might it be??

Choose a Camaro?
Make A Mopar?
Have a Hemi?

the real choice should be Pontiac Woes or Rip Off Restoration...

How about Pieces of Pontiacs? Terrible Trans Ams? %$#&'d up Firebirds? The possibilities are endless lol.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 20, 2012, 08:18:42 AM
Reported both again to eBay.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 20, 2012, 10:52:56 AM
So did I
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 20, 2012, 11:05:18 AM
notice the careful wording in his questions and answers...no mention of his website, or business name at all...I wonder why...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on August 20, 2012, 11:40:22 AM
He's running scared, just trying to rip the last few people off before it all comes down on him.   He's obviously trying to avoid those people he's already taken while running more auctions.  I'll bet he even has another account on ebay we haven't found yet.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NOT A TA on August 20, 2012, 12:02:27 PM
The idea of getting Ebay's employees to look at the ads as a detriment to Ebay and pull them is good. The simple thing that keeps the listing from conforming to Ebays vehicle listing policy is the lack of a VIN in the listing. For those thinking it's a hassle to report the items on Ebay here's a quick tutorial. Should take less than a minute to report each listing.

On the right side of the Ebay listing you will see a link "Report Listing". Clicking it brings you to a page with drop down menus.

Under REPORT CATEGORY click "listing practices" in the drop down menu

Under REASON FOR REPORT click "Vehicle misrepresentation" in the drop down menu

Under DETAILED REASON click "vehicle misrepresentation" in the drop down menu. When you do it pops up a sentence saying you are reporting because the listing doesn't include the VIN

Click Submit Report

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobg on August 20, 2012, 01:35:49 PM
I have been reporting them too. He is also in violation by trying to avoid ebay fees by offering additional purchases and options outside of ebay. He is also soliciting positive feedback from the bidders without delivering the merchandise. It may help if more people called ebay directly to report it, (especially any current bid winners)or if they filed  a claim for unrecieved merchandise. I know it is past the window for most of the bidders, but again, it may be a way to draw more attention to the auctions from ebay.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 20, 2012, 01:40:10 PM
I'd written Bob that I would report both the good and the bad dealings that I have with him. I just received $2,000 out of the $15,000 I am owed.  There are no strings attached.  The check even notes that it is a partial payment on the refund and the attached letter says that he may send more next week. This partial refund is 15 business days BEFORE the absolute deadline of our contract.  Let's hope the remaining $13,000 comes in on or before the deadline too.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 20, 2012, 01:53:19 PM
Carol, I'm glad to hear that you received a "partial" refund. Your lucky as I know several (more than 3) who have not received any monies in close to a year! Congrats!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on August 20, 2012, 02:42:52 PM
I hope the check it actually good.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 20, 2012, 05:40:25 PM
I'd written Bob that I would report both the good and the bad dealings that I have with him. It's a miracle!!!  Or at least a possible partial miracle.  I just received $2,000 out of the $15,000 I am owed.  There are no strings attached.  The check even notes that it is a partial payment on the refund and the attached letter says that he may send more next week.  Let's hope it clears.  65 days after I first sent the letter off notifying him of my husband's death.  51 days of being in complete communication darkness.  This partial refund is 15 business days BEFORE the absolute deadline of our contract.  Let's hope the remaining $13,000 comes in on or before the deadline too.

Of course what communication from him would be complete without a lie or twist in it?  He writes that the refund is possible because he is liquidating assets and personal loans.  He says he hasn't taken on another build.  I believe that he is up to 8 sales since my husband's death with another 2 ending in 6 days.  Maybe he's not counting the latest 2 since he's just using turtlevhare and not another alias.

Carol, I would check with an attorney before depositing the check, I think I remember something about if you accept a partial payment it will void the terms of any contract...and maybe Bob relies on things like that.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 20, 2012, 06:00:56 PM
I agree with Midyears statement!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on August 20, 2012, 06:18:58 PM
Carol, I agree a partial payment may void you getting any recourse through the court but I bet that $2k will be the only $2k you get. You can't get money from a guy who is out of business. If you win a judgement that's all you win in most cases. You may see a judgement but not a dime. Food for thought
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 20, 2012, 06:31:03 PM
Wouldn't his admission of it being a partial payment on both the check and the attached letter say otherwise.  I hope that he pays restitution to the dozens of others he owes cars and/or refunds to along with me, but the way he writes things, I'm not holding my breath on seeing anything else.  I can't believe he had the nerve to say that I'm slandering him (mass e-mail/excuse sent out over the weekend).  He's the one who said that no one has paid since June 1st when he stamped Paid for what my husband paid on June 4th.  He's the one that's saying that I'm a problem on the internet.  He's upset that I'm the one blight on his perfect e-bay record.  He goes dark for 51 days (for me, I'd guess it's longer for others) and I try to warn people that he doesn't communicate and he thinks I'm the problem???  I write of the lies and contradictions he's put me through in the 65 days since this nightmare started and he blames me???  Unbelieveable.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 20, 2012, 06:46:17 PM
unfortunately, the law looks at things differently then us common folk, there are many ways crooks can get their way by counting on the  honest person.  just check with a lawyer before you deposit it and see what the implications are. often to the courts a letter and partial payment show good intentions that were not able to be met,  and  you will be screwed.....I have heard of several people now that have received that exact amount ($2000) from Bob and nothing else after that...don't set yourself up, ask an expert, remember you are dealing with a con man.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 20, 2012, 06:59:30 PM
Now that you mention it Midyear....your right, I know of several people that have received that exact amount no matter how much is owed to them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 20, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
So what's the alternative?  Wait until after he goes bankrupt and get nothing at all? Or sue him after he misses the deadline and hope that I get a judge with some decency that will make this guy pay what's owed.  You guys have been in his game a lot longer.  Does anyone know how often he's been sued and what the outcome is? 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 20, 2012, 10:16:54 PM
Carol, I can't answer that question.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on August 20, 2012, 10:31:23 PM
i would be leaning towards cashing it...may be only money you see from this (agree talk to lawyer first)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on August 20, 2012, 11:26:50 PM
doesn't matter, if you sue it will just be a judgement. It will take a bit to force hime to pay and by then he may have nothing. Talk to a lawyer and then run, don't walk to the bank and cash it. Now if it bounces then you got him on a fradulent check too
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 21, 2012, 07:26:50 AM
Too boot he wrote my name wrong.  In all of his correspondence to me it's been right - Carol.  Suddenly when he goes to write the check it becomes Carroll.  Both his bank and my bank said that if I just sign it the way he wrote it with the correct spelling underneath it should go through.  The envelope was right.  hmmmm?  I don't know what he was trying to pull with that.  I saved the envelope and made a copy of the check.  He wonders why people don't trust him.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 21, 2012, 10:21:29 AM
Bob's request to one of his customers:

Before I sleep or eat again, I will have pictures, explanatory updates for you and a more exact time line. All day today, tonight and tomorrow you will get your update. I am not resting till I get it. I have taken 3 cameras with me so I donít run out of memory, battery or in case one wonít work.

When I pulled your file to get your update, I found a letter that was filed in it while I was out of town. It was from the Attorney General. I was totally unaware that it was there. File no 1208780 You, three others, Joe Godar jgodar@aol.com John Cerrone jcerrone3@charter.net and Eli Smith ersmith343@gmail.com have filed complaints. The ones that I have given you the email address to have written and spoken to the attorney general and have told her that everything is alright here. I am working with you on getting you all the updates you need. I ask that you do the same and withdraw your complaint from the attorney general. Phone number 919-716-6000 and email address SEDavis@ncdoj.gov . I do not need to get shut down, that would jeopardize you and about 30 other customers out of their cars. Please help me help you.
 

Thank you

Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on August 21, 2012, 11:01:18 AM
This guy is seriously delusional!!! He's convinced himself that running a ponzi scheme is leagal and ethical.  He's out of his mind!! After all of the complaints on different sites around the net, including here, all the info is out there on this guy!!!  PLEASE PEOPLE!!!  PLEASE!!!  DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU SPEND $15,000 OR MORE ON ANYTHING!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 21, 2012, 11:21:27 AM
From ERSMITH named in Bob's Email:


I did not withdraw a complaint, I merely reported to the state that I had visited his shops and they were making marked improvements in restorations, communications and builds for customers. I also reported the status of my build and that I intended to give Bob  and his staff an opportunity to correct the problem before I took further legal action.

I provided photos and a first hand account of what Bob and his staff were working on during  my visit.


I can tell you he has 6 cars that are currently being worked on. I do not know exactly who they belong to, but there are 3 at fair view and 3 at black mountain which I laid my hands on, walked around and talked to his staff about. Bob says he has others being worked on, but the above are the ones I looked at.

Hope this helps...after visiting the shop and spending the day I feel much better about getting a car over the next few months and not loosing my money.


Mr. Smith
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 21, 2012, 11:33:25 AM
Hindsight is so awesome, isn't it?  The guy changes his business name to avoid the bad publicity.  How hard is that to understand?  The only reason I found out about this site and others out there was because someone contacted me AFTER my husband bought the car.  Then I learned of the alias names.  Then I learned of how he operates.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 21, 2012, 09:55:02 PM
Someone on this site has given me the Email of the President of Ebay if anyone on this site would care to write him.

Jdonahoe@ebay.com 

 Thanks
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on August 21, 2012, 11:21:03 PM
well, mr. smith took the bait
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on August 21, 2012, 11:48:10 PM
I'd be surprised if mr smith actually exists
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobg on August 22, 2012, 07:32:05 AM
My guess is that he probably figures that by giving the $2000 or some sort of payment, it will give himself some sort of protection or extra time from prosecution. Once the checks are cashed, he can then say that he has an agreement with those customers and he is working with them on making it right. I would be suprised if the people that have recieved any partial payment see any more money unless a judgement is ordered, or it is needed to deter prosecution. But even then You still might not see a dime. I wish everyone caught in the middle the best of luck.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 22, 2012, 07:37:08 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-GT-1966-Mustang-Fully-Restored-No-Reserve-/251132693591?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a78accc57

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-1973-Any-Camaro-Z28-SS-NO-RESERVE-/251132697638?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a78acdc26

Interesting, Bobs auctions have been removed.....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 22, 2012, 08:21:06 AM
hooray! Bob the Bandit's ads have been removed!

 Thanks to all the people who wrote Ebay!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 22, 2012, 08:22:53 AM
Very interesting.  I wonder if he pulled them or someone else did.  I noticed that he'd left positive feedback for someone else on 8/13.  Funny that he still claims no one has paid him since June 1st.  These are only the people that pay on e-bay.  I wonder how many more victims are out there that pay off e-bay.  I added a reply to the feedback he left for my husband.  It just said to google Build a Bandit and Pontiac Pros before bidding.  I wish I had done that on the reply to the feedback my husband left for him.  I think more people look at that.  Is that still slander in his eyes?  Having people aware of what they're getting into if they buy from him instead of him hiding it from them?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 22, 2012, 08:47:20 AM
Who cares what he thinks!  You just gave people the ability to do research.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 22, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
Very interesting.  I wonder if he pulled them or someone else did?

Ebay pulled them because the auctions are gone...If Bob pulled them he would only be able to end them early,  they would still show in completed listings and/or if you clicked the prior links to them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 22, 2012, 09:10:35 AM
Being the cynic I am...wanna wager Bob's getting a different ebay ID ready to startup again? Turtlevhare was iteration #2 that I'm aware of. Iteration #1 was ECK011 (If I recall correctly). I'm wagering we'll see those ads again soon.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 22, 2012, 09:22:19 AM
Hopefully they are going to ban"builds" altogether!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 22, 2012, 09:30:49 AM
I just looked it up - they were ECK0211.  I don't get why they switched though.  They had one negative comment about midway through but nothing else.  They have more than that on their new ID.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 22, 2012, 09:54:04 AM
This was ERSmith's response to Ebay taking down Bob's ads.

Its a waste of his time if his adds are constantly being ambushed.  He has another plan in the works.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on August 22, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
Hopefully they are going to ban"builds" altogether!
Then he'll reword it and call them restorations . But that's a good start
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on August 22, 2012, 10:58:28 AM
This was ERSmith's response to Ebay taking down Bob's ads.

Its a waste of his time if his adds are constantly being ambushed.  He has another plan in the works.

Then ERSmith is a device of Bob's company or imagination.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on August 22, 2012, 11:55:44 AM
flounder, or TAwidow does your lawyer have advise on cashing a partial payment check?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 22, 2012, 12:37:02 PM
Mine told me to get what I could now.....and I did.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: trentonmakes on August 22, 2012, 02:10:32 PM
FWIW thats sound advice

Imho

Sent From My Fancy Little Thinking Box
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 22, 2012, 03:33:53 PM
now he lost a feedback as well, it was the German sounding name that had 3 feedback's, one for him, the other 2 from Ech0211...interesting... and mimi101267 ( 3 ) is now Not a registered user , also had 3 feedbacks from the same 2 people....hmmmm....is eBay finally checking up on him...wonder if they pull his shill id as well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on August 22, 2012, 03:52:15 PM
and, as an update, here is another site I had not seen until today.
http://www.devreviews.com/build-a-bandit-l17585 (http://www.devreviews.com/build-a-bandit-l17585)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobg on August 22, 2012, 03:55:28 PM
now he lost a feedback as well, it was the German sounding name that had 3 feedback's, one for him, the other 2 from Ech0211...interesting... and mimi101267 ( 3 ) is now Not a registered user , also had 3 feedbacks from the same 2 people....hmmmm....is eBay finally checking up on him...wonder if they pull his shill id as well.

I am pretty certain that they are looking directly at his auctions and bidders to look for shill bidding.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on August 22, 2012, 10:15:08 PM
and, as an update, here is another site I had not seen until today.
http://www.devreviews.com/build-a-bandit-l17585 (http://www.devreviews.com/build-a-bandit-l17585)
much of whats there is hard to understand, is it the same person changing his mind or several different people?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 23, 2012, 12:05:40 PM
I received this today from Bob ( by mistake I guess).


Itís been brought to my attention that there has been shill bidding on my auctions and this must stop.  I talked to 3 car dealers who receive such notices from eBay.  After eBay researched this, only 1 was stopped from bidding on our auctions.  When we think weíre helping us by bidding up our auctions, it is causing a problem it must stop.  We will run reserves on all auctions to stop this and I am having eBay monitor any and all of our auctions and to immediately cancel any bid they determine to be of such nature.  I was aware of one such problem and have sent certified letters to them to never do this no matter how good their intentions may be.  Also three current customers that, unknown to me have, done this too will receive this letter.
 
Also a further note to this, I am working with the state and local authorities to resolve any and all issues with any current or previous customers.  Regulated maybe, but operating for sure.  They are aware of the whole picture here and have access to everything and my full cooperation.  I just hope this doesnít harm our break neck pace.  And to answer all questions pertaining to if we have taken any more orders, I think we all know itís been impossible.  No cash flow for 2 Ĺ months almost.  So weíre not gaining any capital that way, but I am still managing on my own resources, liquated and borrowed in the past month.  Hopefully things are improving for everyone out there.  Iíve got two good legs and determination of an ox.  I will not lose this fight for all my customers.  I canít and wonít. 

 
 
Thanks
 
Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on August 23, 2012, 01:57:35 PM
"Itís been brought to my attention that there has been shill bidding on my auctions and this must stop."
Translation- Ebay has  been notified of his illegal auctions and has finally started looking into them. Thanks in large part to forum members here.

"After eBay researched this, only 1 was stopped from bidding on our auctions."
Translation- After checking into it, Ebay realized that the complaints were valid.

"When we think weíre helping us by bidding up our auctions, it is causing a problem it must stop. "
Translation- BAB was shill bidding their own auctions to rake in more $, but after Ebay got involved it has caused problems for BAB.

"We will run reserves on all auctions to stop this and I am having eBay monitor any and all of our auctions and to immediately cancel any bid they determine to be of such nature."
Translation- Ebay will be monitoring his auctions now, so putting a reserve on his auctions may be a way to appease Ebay (he hopes).

"I was aware of one such problem and have sent certified letters to them to never do this no matter how good their intentions may be.  Also three current customers that, unknown to me have, done this too will receive this letter."
Translation- He knew this was going on, but since he finally got caught, he's having to pretend he didn't know and make it all sound official by sending out "certified letters."

"Also a further note to this, I am working with the state and local authorities to resolve any and all issues with any current or previous customers.  Regulated maybe, but operating for sure."
Translation- The law is involved and he has no choice but to work with them. To many complaints.

"They are aware of the whole picture here and have access to everything and my full cooperation. "
Translation- He has not choice but to cooperate. They are the LAW.

"And to answer all questions pertaining to if we have taken any more orders, I think we all know itís been impossible.  No cash flow for 2 Ĺ months almost.  So weíre not gaining any capital that way, but I am still managing on my own resources, liquated and borrowed in the past month.  Hopefully things are improving for everyone out there. "
Translation- His house of cards is crumbling and he hasn't been able to take in as much money as he use to. It's the beginning of the end. More people are aware of his business practice and are not buying his BS.


"Iíve got two good legs and determination of an ox."
Translation- Once he has exhausted all of his options, he'll hit the ground running and leave alot of customers without cars or cash.















Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on August 23, 2012, 10:13:54 PM
best line of this entire thread... priceless

"i just hope this doesnt harm our break neck pace"
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on August 23, 2012, 10:19:54 PM
best line of this entire thread... priceless

"i just hope this doesnt harm our break neck pace"
X2 , I was going to mention that too lol . Bob has a good shot at stand up comedy
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on August 23, 2012, 10:55:04 PM
He's made no sales in 2 1/2 months?  Is he still trying to claim that it's been since June 1st?  I can prove that's a lie by my own paperwork.  There were a few other people that I know paid around the same time. 
Much more recently he left this feedback "Great guy, fast pay A+++++++++ ebayer" about someone just 10 days ago.   So 10 days = 75 days now, but you can still trust what he says.  I'm just twisting things again.

It is so amazing that he can still pretend to be a victim in all this.  Who on earth does he think he's fooling???
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on August 23, 2012, 11:47:11 PM
Well what scares me is I think he actaully believes himself , which  is a classic  symptom of a pathological liar . My sister is one and I also work with one so I should know
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 24, 2012, 07:53:17 AM
He's made no sales in 2 1/2 months?  Is he still trying to claim that it's been since June 1st?  I can prove that's a lie by my own paperwork.  There were a few other people that I know paid around the same time. 
Much more recently he left this feedback "Great guy, fast pay A+++++++++ ebayer" about someone just 10 days ago.   So 10 days = 75 days now, but you can still trust what he says.  I'm just twisting things again.

It is so amazing that he can still pretend to be a victim in all this.  Who on earth does he think he's fooling???

Shill bidding that eBay warned him about. Without seeing the other auctions he's run, it almost makes one wonder if anyone actually bid on those or if it was just good old Bob bidding up his own auction.

From what we've seen, he's one heck of a sales guy - smooth talker and ready to take your hard earned $$$. Operators are standing by now - oh wait, he fired his whole staff (cleaned house), no he didn't (told his staff to get on the builds), yes he did (one man show with 2 good legs).....even he can't decide if he's cleaned house or not!!

I do understand where you're coming from TAWidow and I hope you get every last cent from this guy.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on August 26, 2012, 12:40:17 PM
What a super BS'er he is...

12 days ago $13,600.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-Leather-1978-Trans-Am-Bandit-T-Top-Fully-Restored-/251125357888?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a783cdd40

And 15 days ago another two sales for $23,300.00

Ooops, oh yea, shill bidders...I forgot, no cash from those guys!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 26, 2012, 01:23:40 PM
Blue, those auctions were pulled by Ebay for shill bidding.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on August 26, 2012, 05:25:35 PM
Blue, those auctions were pulled by Ebay for shill bidding.

Oh au contraire my friend, those I listed are completed listings before the others were pulled...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 26, 2012, 05:44:27 PM
I stand corrected, my apologies
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 27, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
Latest " General Email" fron BAB/PP:


Customers may only inspect their own cars when they visit, and only photos of theirs.  We have retained an attorney!  This is our policy now.  We will not be able to share updates, only with each individual.  I cannot put a lot of stuff in my general emails anymore, shared info either.  the liability is too great we are informed.  Any update request will come within 72 hours.  Unannounced visitors will not happen.  We lost at least one full dayís work last week alone.  This is going to keep causing less and less work to get done.  4 current customers last week alone with 3 walk-ins, potential customers that wanted to see my shops and find out what is going on on the internet.  Customers are sending photos that they are mixing up cars.  I had Mr. Smith Friday who got pictures that were supposed to be his car, and when we showed him his car, itís 3-4 weeks from completion.  What someone sent him was a car 6 months from finish.  Now heís pissed he wasted a trip and blessed me out on the phone for nothing. So I had to spend hours to repair our relationship instead of working on everyoneís cars.  His build is already 16 months old, I have promised to finish in 3 weeks.  Weíll let him send everyone his own photos.

 
Thanks
 
Bob
 
 
PS. anyone trying to call me today may not get answered. Iím going to working in the paint booth today trying to help them catch up
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 27, 2012, 09:54:25 AM
<<< - Skeptic!!!

Quote
Customers may only inspect their own cars when they visit, and only photos of theirs.  We have retained an attorney!  This is our policy now.

Just out of curiousity, what policy number is this? Like 7 or 8 at least?

Quote
We will not be able to share updates, only with each individual.  I cannot put a lot of stuff in my general emails anymore, shared info either.  the liability is too great we are informed.  Any update request will come within 72 hours.

Wouldn't a company who's trying to make good on a bad rep want to get the word out that they're changing their ways?

Quote
Customers are sending photos that they are mixing up cars.

Really? I thought Bob was the one emailing out updates.

Quote
anyone trying to call me today may not get answered. Iím going to working in the paint booth today trying to help them catch up

Didn't this yahoo clean house, fire all his "staff" and been trying to build/finish cars all himself??? Or did I miss something?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on August 27, 2012, 09:57:39 AM
Hey Flounder, wasn't your car supposed to be 3-4 weeks from being complete?  In Bob's estimation that is....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 27, 2012, 10:16:48 AM
Thats McElreath mathematics not sure what that translates to in REAL numbers
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobg on August 27, 2012, 12:14:41 PM
Thats McElreath mathematics not sure what that translates to in REAL numbers

The day after infinity is my guess.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 27, 2012, 03:42:52 PM
Wow, it's been almost 2 weeks since they pulled BAB/PP ads and no re-posts! They must have hit him with a "stay off our site for 30-60 day" fine.............good for Ebay!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on August 27, 2012, 09:37:32 PM
Wow, it's been almost 2 weeks since they pulled BAB/PP ads and no re-posts! They must have hit him with a "stay off our site for 30-60 day" fine.............good for Ebay!
I'm sure he's lurking around somewhere . What other options are there , Craig's list?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 28, 2012, 07:48:56 AM
Setting up a new ID and using a Timmy Ho's as a free wifi hotspot to list the auctions. That way the IP address is different as is the email address. Would take a flood of emails to Ebay again to put a kabosh on that one. When that runs its course, switch to McDonalds/BK/etc - almost every restaurant/fast food joint offers free WiFi these days so the possibilities are limitless.

Then yes, Craigslist.

I believe there are a few other auction sites out there that, while not as large or well known as Ebay, can be a vehicle to his plans. Penny auctions anyone??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 29, 2012, 04:40:15 PM
Ok guys I'll keep this short and sweet,

 Bob has offered to help me with parts for my car, I'm skeptical but here is the Email.


Hi, George itís 3:57 am here I got to go through what youíve sent me and we want to help of coarse Iíll figure a game plan out tomorrow after I deal with todays schedule and will work together  Thanks  BOB
 
From: GEORGE PAYNE

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:49 PM
 
To: Erica

Subject: Parts
 
This just about a complete list.
 
1)shaker air cleaner and lid
 
2)shaker metal base for scoop
 
3)shaker seal
 
4)door handles
 
5)door locks
 
6)trunk lock
 
7)trunk weather strip
 
8)parking lights
 
9)grills
 
10)nose arrowhead
 
11)decals
 
12)rear window trim
 
13)seat tracks
 
14)outside mirrors
 
15)steering wheel screws
 
16)license plate bracket rear
 
17)license plate lights
 
18)15 x 8 snowflake wheels
 
19)tires
 
20)exhaust
 
21)driveshaft
 
22)shift cable
 
23)shifter console plate
 
24)shifter know and button
 
25)console glove box
 
26)t top end trim 4 pcs
 
27)t top upper Yís
 
28)t top outer mounts
 
29)t top handles
 
30)deluxe door panels
 
31)door handle cups
 
32)armrests
 
33)ac ducts under dash
 
34)drivers front wheel spoiler
 
35)pass rear wheel spoiler
 
36)all ac under hood hoses
 
37)ac condenser
 
38)radiator
 
39)fan shroud
 
40)alternator
 
41)starter
 
42)battery cables
 
43)battery tray
 
44)battery
 
45)master cylinder
 
46)passenger inner fender
 
47)turn signal handle
 
48)tilt lever
 
49)horn button
 
50)wiper motor
 
51)wiper arms and blades
 
52)power steering pump and brackets
 
53)alternator brackets
 
54)ac compressor and brackets
 
55)engine pulleys
 
56)hei distributor
 
57)thermostat
 
58)thermostat housing
 
59)upper and lower hoses
 
60)heater hoses
 
61)temp sending unit
 
62)oil pressure sending unit
 
63)misc window pieces for passenger side window
 
64)upper rear sail panels
 
65)gold steering wheel
 
66)parking brake handle
 
67)ac accumulator
 
68)ac orifice tube
 
69)4 radiator cushions
 
70)Misc bolts and hardware
 
71)Shifter plate screws
 
72)Outer window felts
 
73)Window trim clips
 
74)Fender to core support bars
 
75)Overflow jug
 
76)Overflow jug bracket
 
77)Overflow jug cap
 
78)Radiator cap
 
79)Squirter jug
 
80)Squirter jug bracket
 
81)Squirter jug lid
 
82)Column lock out linkage
 
83)Trans shifter cable mount
 
84)Outside door handle to latch rods (2)
 
85)Inside door lock knobs
 
86)Door panel birds that cover window crank hole
 
87)Door panel clips and push pins
 
88)Door panel parts for remote outside mirror
 
89)Windshield (this one has a small crack in it)
 
90)Visor transmissions
 
91)Tan seat belts
 
92)Shaker drain tube
 
93)Ac high blower relay
 
94)Plastic trim/filler behind outside door handles
 
95)Vents in door jambs
 
96)Mirror gaskets
 
97)Parking light extension harnesses

98)Hood, trunk and door bumper kit
 
99)Lower corner windshield protector plastics
 
100)Intake bracket to hold accelerator cable
 
101)Carb return spring
 
102)Brake booster check valve and hose
 
103)Rear carb vacuum fitting
 
104)Fuel pump
 
105)Fuel line to carb
 

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on August 29, 2012, 09:37:34 PM
You forgot to ask for your muffler bearings and blinker fluid, and the Fetzer valve don't for get to ask for those. !
Dang that's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG list.
I wish you luck and hope you get 1/3 of that at least.
    JOSH
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 30, 2012, 08:14:56 AM
Dang that's a long list.

I know its more effort and $$ on your part but given this guy's history, I'd be showing up in a U-haul box van to pick it all up. Saves him $$ on shipping it and, again given this guy's history, do you really think for one moment he'll box it up so it's not damaged in transit??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 30, 2012, 08:35:56 AM
Personally? I don't think I'll get a 1/3 of what I'm asking for but HE offered so it's wait and see time. Meanwhile.......the build goes on and the longer he waits the less I need and the amount I eventually sue for goes up....it's just that simple.
I'm not waiting on him, I've waited on him long enough!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on August 30, 2012, 04:41:00 PM
"Why can't we all just get along?" --- Rodney King
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on August 30, 2012, 04:57:20 PM
Jupiter......you've been standing too close to that sign for too long! Bet you glow in the dark!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on August 31, 2012, 07:58:42 AM
Personally? I don't think I'll get a 1/3 of what I'm asking for but HE offered so it's wait and see time. Meanwhile.......the build goes on and the longer he waits the less I need and the amount I eventually sue for goes up....it's just that simple.
I'm not waiting on him, I've waited on him long enough!

Here's hoping you have better luck wrangling parts from this guy than I did from the shop that did work on my car. BSR still owes me a complete drivers side door, pw/pl/hinges/door mechanism/glass/etc from '06. They said I'd have it shortly after I pulled out my car. Guess I learned their definition of shortly!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 02, 2012, 08:40:57 PM
I know I'm just stirring the pot here and I've been told to keep my mouth shut but I can't help but wondering and maybe you guys know something I don't. Bob said that Ebay"caught" some of his "customers" shill bidding?
 I have not seen ANY  Ebay ads that smell remotely like Bob's. You don't suppose Ebay actually caught Bob for shill bidding and he just did not want anybody to know?

 I think he fibed!...........It's been over 2 weeks........Like I said...I'm stirring the pot.

  Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on September 02, 2012, 10:08:38 PM
This pot needs to keep being stirred , hopefully people will do research before buying cars on ebay , if it sounds too good to be true , it usually is.
                                     JOSH
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 04, 2012, 07:50:59 AM
My guess would be that Bob's "customers" were really 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc accounts of Bob that he was using to bid up his own auctions. Hence...shill bidding.

Again, just a guess on my part since this character can't even decide if he's fired all his staff so he's just a 1 man show OR if he has a whole staff of people working to get these cars done for his "customers".

In all honesty...I really wish he'd crawl back under that rock he came out from and take the time to choose a different profession. I hear there are challenging careers in the food service industry!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 04, 2012, 08:02:20 AM
Dude! would you really want to eat at a restaurant that you knew employed Bob? No Thanks!

 I figure he would be a good candidate for a position as a Sanitary Engineer. He seems very fimiliar with garbage!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 05, 2012, 07:54:50 AM
Apparently, Bob needs us to keep the pot stirred.  I just sent off my 3rd e-mail to him in a week asking about my refund.  No response on any of them of course.  I finally got tired of waiting and called him yesterday.  He said that he was glad that I reminded him of it Ė as if he forgot he owed me $13,000.  He wasnít sure when he could get me the refund, but they were working on it.  When I pointed out that he only had until the 10th to get it in my hand, he said heíd look into it yesterday and get back to me.  Surprise, surprise Ė Iím still waiting for his response.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 09:58:28 AM
This Email from Bob to a customer,

This week Iíve looked at all the email, and I see that the more I communicate and the more I update everyone, the more I have hope in my fellow man.  The support is overwhelming with all thatís happened.  I have never in my life been so moved.  those that truly know me, arenít used to seeing this in me.  We want to let everyone know that I was as close as a man could come to making a life changing event happen to give all solace.  Iíve turned that stress and depression into a whirlwind of energy to not fail.  So, again thanks to all of you.  Now we are no longer going to worry about the internet or George Payne's saga.  I appreciate the efforts.  The company has gone a new avenue for income, and I really donít think it has any bearing on our outcome anymore.  George is not near as bad a guy as Iíve read in the emails.  It was a terrible time for myself and him, and I let him down.  So he has every right to feel the way he does.  All I can do is stand behind my offer to pay all his shipping cost, fix to showroom condition, have inspected by any outside agency he chooses, and work with him to find peace in a a bad situation.  I will not adds him or the internet again.  I will spend my time working to realistically do everything I can for all 35 people that are counting on me for money or restored classic cars.  Please donít get caught up in things that waste effort and time on your side or mine.  I have gone nowhere and besides, where would I go?  I am dedicated to do the right thing, it just canít be done with the snap of my fingers.
 
Also anyone wanting to talk by phone, please call me between 4am and 7am.  From 7-8 am Livi had to be put on the special needs bus. You can also call form 8 am to 9:30 am and I will do anything possible to assist.  Iím not trying to cut your time short, but if I am going to work in the shops I need to able to without having to stop every 10 minutes to answer the phone.
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 10:02:19 AM
Bob's response to my request for wheels ( that he promised) and parts.

WE will do 3M and the wheels is all we can assist you this only and final offer we can assist you with that way we will be done with the matter, we are sure that you want be happy with anything we send you we will have to have this in writing and sighed  Thanks  BOB Remember you took the car or bring it back and will fix.  Thanks  BOB

From: GEORGE PAYNE

Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 7:46 AM
 
To: Erica

Subject: Re: Parts
 
Bob,
 
My guy will be contacting you today to give you a list of things we will need first in the rebuilding of the T/A. Feel free to send the 15X8 gold snowflakes at any time. I will also take any monies you feel like sending along in the form of a refund.
 
  I feel like a 9 K refund is reasonable.
 
  George W Payne
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 05, 2012, 10:42:23 AM
Does this guy EVER give a straight answer???  5 more days before my lawyer takes over.

This is his response to a direct, yes or no, question: 

ITís the best I can give you If things go my way thatís my plan. Thanks  BOB
 

From: edcarolinathol@aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:30 AM
 
To: eckampert@live.com

Subject: Re: Refund
 
 
That does not answer my question.  Will I have a cashable check in my hand by September 10, 2012?
 
 
Carol Thompson
 
edcarolinathol@aol.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Erica <eckampert@live.com>
To: edcarolinathol <edcarolinathol@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:19 am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Refund

 
I talk to you and told you I was looking into and have and we are working on it. Thank you  BOB
 

From: edcarolinathol@aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 7:24 AM
 
To: eckampert@live.com

Subject: Fwd: Refund
 
 Bob,
 
 I spoke with you yesterday on the phone and you said you'd take a look at when you could get me the rest of the refund ($13,000).  Have you figured it out yet?  I need it BY Monday, September 10, 2012.  That means that it needs to be in the mail no later than overnight shipment this Saturday.  You've known about my husband's death since mid-June.  This really shouldn't take a lot of thought.  My refund should be the very easiest response to any of your 25 or more customers.  All you have to do is write a check and our relationship is over and we're both satisfied.  No car, no work, no fuss.  I don't think you want to tack on lawyer fees and court costs to something you so obviously owe.
 
Please respond today, Wednesday, September 5, 2012.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 05, 2012, 11:35:14 AM
Flounder...so he had the car a week or two away from completion (his words) and now he can't cough up the parts he set aside for your build so you can complete it? To me, it sounds like he never had the parts to complete your car. Bob just keeps shoveling it deeper and deeper.

I'd also be curious as to what his new marketing scheme is. Guess I need to hop on over to craigslist, Hemmings Motor News, and a few others to see if he's now taking print ads out...


Tawidow...sorry that you're still getting pushed to the side by Bob. It's unreal. I sincerely hope that he comes through for you with the remainder of your refund. And hopefully its not by duping someone else into his scheme.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 11:40:06 AM
Brian, my guess is he's going through a middleman somewhere.

 This is the lastest from Bob ( My lawyer suggested I take it!).

The assistance we will do is 3k and the new snow flakes, Or bring the car back for us to fix . Thatís final, I hope I got the english right for you. Itís all we can or will offer. I have to move on and this has to be in writing and signed  and notirized.  Thank you BOB   PS: Youíve cost us 150k in revenue and refunds we no longer use the intyernet for sales or are super limited so whatís put there doeís not concern me any more what sever. Everyone has advised me not to help you . I still want to and have given all I can this is all we can do ,Thanks again.
 


Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 11:41:05 AM
My counter offer,

After some thought I have another offer. 3 thousand in cash a set (4) of new Year One 17 inch GOLD SNOWFLAKE wheels and the gold 79 5 feather hood bird from Phoenix Graphics. In return I will sign a release that I will have my lawyer draw up.

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 05, 2012, 11:48:40 AM
What, you don't trust bingo Bob's check from not bouncing like a superball on a concrete floor? ;D

I still don't see why he can't cough up the parts either. He's just offered again to fix it for you so in my mind he's got the parts he rightfully owes you. Just a very strange business practice.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 12:06:29 PM
Brian, we both know he will either take a year to fix it, use inferrior parts ( or both) or start advertising on Ebay again once he has my car so he does not have to worry about someone showing what kind of work he REALLY does.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 05, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
So you have cost him a $150K. No, you prevented him from scamming $150K from unsuspecting buyers. Oh, and not that any of it is his fault or by his doings, it ALL your fault. He would make a good politician.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 05, 2012, 12:37:32 PM
Your lawyer doesn't think you could win a lawsuit for more?  I don't think you should give this creep an inch.  He still tries to blame you for costing him business?  If he just did the job even in twice the amount of time promised he wouldn't be in this mess.  He's the one screwing everyone and he throws it on you?  Every one of his customers has every right to shout how he treats us from the rooftops.  I'm not giving him even one day extra.  He's proven over and over again that he can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 12:49:07 PM
Solar, you took the words right out of my mouth!

 TA Widow, yes you can get a judgement but what's it worth? Bob has no assets ans what he did have he sold off!

   I'm actually prepared to force him into bankruptcy! All you need are 3 unsecured creditors that he owes more than 14 K to.

 I have that. But.......that means alot of people will lose out, including you!

   At this point I don't really care. I'm pretty sure I've gotten all I'll get from him and I'm prepared to spend MORE money to shut him down!

 I've offered a fair deal and if he refuses..... Myself and 2 others are prepared to force him into bankruptcy! I don't want to go that route but I will!


Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
From Bob,

I agree with this, the $3,000 in cash and the snowflake wheels and BF Goodrich tires. Have you lawyer draw this up, but also include that you will withdraw your internet comments or at least put that the problem is resolved, as per your previous statements to us.  You are to also not have anymore contact with customers and will not put anymore on the internet. Send that to us the middle of next week, and we have a deal. Iím going to be in the shops night and day for the next several days, trying to help these guys catch up, so Iíll check back on this this weekend.  Good luck with things George.
 
Bob
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on September 05, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
I would not do it Flounder, but it's up to you .
I think by continuing to alert others  (like on this site and other sites)  of his scam he is running is the best thing to do!
I know you have been scammed buy this "RICHARD-HEAD"
But look at all the good you have done so-far!

                                                                                                     JOSH
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 05, 2012, 03:35:58 PM
^^ And the gag order commences.

George, my point wasn't for him to fix it but rather ship the parts he already purchased for your build, had set aside for your build, and were going to be installed in your build until you picked it up. In otherwords, going off his own statement that the car was only a week or two away from completion, that he should have each and every part on your list just waiting for you to pick up. It's insane that he either didn't have the parts to begin with OR has taken the parts you paid for and put them on someone else's car. That was my point.

Going off what you've been through...hell would have to freeze over before Bob touched a car of mine.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 05, 2012, 03:53:28 PM
I thought he didn't care about the internet anymore?  Please don't sign something like that.  It's obvious that that's what he does with his disgruntled customers. He withholds what's rightfully their's unless they pretend that he's a great and honorable businessman. People cave just so they have a fraction of what's owed in their hand.  He owes you $9000 and parts and he wants you to bend over and happily take less than 1/3 and say he's great for it?  I'll be happy to share good news with people if I ever see my money, but I'll be damned if I retract what I've said about him in the past.  I have never said one lie about the man and I don't think you have either.  People need to be warned and he needs to start doing business correctly.  That's how an honest person would go about restoring his reputation.

Brian C. makes a good point.  Has Bob mentioned what happened to all those parts just waiting to be tucked into place before you so rudely tore it out of there?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 03:54:58 PM
Brian, Brian, Brian.......we both know....he does not nor did he ever have all the parts. My car was not 2 mobths from being done, much less 2 weeks!

 It's all alot of hot air on his part!

 I will not be told who I CAN and CANNOT talk to but this is my resolution.

Mr McElreath,

 What I'm setting forth will actually save you money!


 set(4) of new Year One 17 inch Gold wheels  799.00             set(4) of new Year One 15 inch wheels   699.00

       3K   refund                                               3000.00                   3K refund                                          3000.00

 One 79 5 feather hood bird from

Phoenix graphics                                               339.00             set of 4 B F goodrich 245/60 X 15           520.00

                                                                      -------------                                                                        ----------------

                                                                         4138.00                                                                             4219.00


  I will declare that MY issues with Build a Bandit/Pontiac Pros have been resolved.

 
    George W Payne


Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 04:01:09 PM
Carol, in principle I agree with you but we are dealing with legalities. He knows it would cost money to take him to court, he knows that a judgement is not worth much more than the paper it is written on.

 Carol I hope you get all your money, You of all should be intitled to get all your monies! While I hate what he's doing at some point you have to look at the BIG picture.

 I will NEVER recind what I've wrote! As you stated It's all true! EVERY WORD! I will say my problems with him have been resolved but that's as far as I'm willing to go!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 05, 2012, 04:19:13 PM
Heck from what he said just post a simple note on here saying the problem was resolved.  We will all know that doesn't mean anything.  This way you will get your parts. 

On a more positive note, have you started a new thread on GOOD work being done to your car?  Would love to see photos and a updates along the way.  Im guessing your shooting to have it done for the spring?

Kyle
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 04:31:01 PM
Kyle, I agree,  My builder is pulling the car apart to put the bushings back in it that were SUPPOSED to be in there. Also he had a build in front of me that has not paid the funds needed to continue so my re-build has been pushed up a few months. I will be posting pics soon.

 On another note, My lawyer has just drafted a settlement agreement that I hope Bob can live with.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 05, 2012, 06:12:35 PM
Flounder make sure you specify the bird decal kit, not just the bird
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 05, 2012, 07:33:52 PM
Solar, I will settle for just the hood bird. The decal kit for the 79 5 feather bird has a different font for the lettering if I am correct and I want the german lettering.

On another note I got this from Ebay today........


Hello George,
 
Thank you for contacting our CEO, John Donahoe. On behalf of eBayís Executive Office I will be addressing your concerns regarding your report of the concerning activity of another eBay community member.
 
First off, I would like to apologize for the long delay in responding to your e-mail. We have been receiving many e-mails lately and are trying to respond to them as soon as possible. We appreciate your patience.
 
Secondly, we've reviewed the information that you provided and determined that the appropriate action has been taken at this time in accordance with our listing policies.
 
Violations of eBay policies may result in a range of actions, including but not limited to; limitations on account privileges, account suspension (temporary suspension, or indefinite), forfeit of eBay fees on canceled listings, and loss of PowerSeller status, or removing feedback. We take violations of the eBay User Agreement very seriously as we strive for a fair, fun and safe trading environment.

Under the eBay Privacy Policy, we can't share specific information about a member's account or the actions we have taken. We do thank you for your report and for keeping the eBay community a fun and safe trading environment. Out of concern for the privacy of all members, we can't discuss the results of our investigation of a member's account with another member.

I hope that this assures you that your account information will likewise remain private.

Also, we thank you for your report and for your concern for the eBay community. We appreciate you and your patronage.
 
For more information on the eBay listing policies for sellers, please visit:
 
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-ov.html

Thank you again for contacting eBayís Executive Office.

Regards,
 
Phillip G.
 
eBayís Office Of The President
 
 


[THREAD ID:1-22RK8V1]

-----Original Message-----

From: GEORGE PAYNE [mailto:flounder1955@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 6:50 PM
To: Donahoe, John
Subject: TURTLEVHARE

 

Dear Sir,

 

 I am writing in hopes that some of your policies om Ebay may be reviewed and revised to discourage the type of auction TURTLEVHARE runs.

 

 First off, his auction is for a "build" that is supposed to take 10-12 months yet your rating system window is ONLY 60 days which insures his 100% rating when in reality he has customers that have been waiting 2 years for a car!

 

 Secondly, I don't think Ebay should be in the business of auctioning "builds". Only cars that already exist. This guy( TURTLEVAHARE) Bob McElreath has taken in over 250K from your site and has built very few cars! As I'm sure you may know the North Carolina Attorney General is involved in this matter because of McElreath's prolific fraudulent practices.

 

 In an effort to stem the tide of future victims I ask that you either extend the rating period in his case to ALL past customers or ban him(McElreath) from doing bussiness on Ebay period. In the coming days I expect you will get more emails concerning this man.

 

  Thank you

 

  George W Payne 804flounder55


 

Learn More about how to protect yourself from spoof (fake) emails.

This administrative email was sent to flounder1955@yahoo.com from eBay.
 







Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on September 05, 2012, 08:56:15 PM
Nice !
                        JOSH
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 05, 2012, 10:21:41 PM
Unfortunately, thank you ebay for the canned letter!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 06, 2012, 08:09:39 AM
When I got screwed over the internet by Jeffrey Tyree (NW Ohio resident)  I also suffered from the 60-day feedback limitation.  It took me more than 60 days to look over the car once I got it, go back and forth with Tyree on the parts he owed me, and eventually decide to leave bad feedback.  When I went to do it I was unable to.  I tried contacting ebay and the process is impossible.  ebay is not a people friendly organization.  They are just in it for the money.  I will never use ebay for big purchases again because they screwed me.  I buy little stuff off it and that is all.  It makes me sick that some of my money goes to them, but I save so much using ebay that I don't really have a choice.   

I'm a capitalist and believe companies should be fiercely competitive, money-hungry savages, BUT I also believe that companies need their customers, should value them, honor them, and protect them at all costs!  ebay does not do this.  Their business outlook is pathetic.  The list of possible "punishments" listed in ebay's reply to you are all pathetic.  Bob wouldn't care if any of them were dished out to him.  I'm guessing he wasn't permanently banned either...but I hope and pray that he was.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 06, 2012, 08:16:30 AM
oh boy...  Well ebay has done a bang up job of tracking him!  I thought he didn't use the internet anymore??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Fully-Restored-T-Top-Special-Edition-Trans-Am-/290770976444?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b34cfebc#ht_500wt_1182
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 06, 2012, 09:35:50 AM
Reported...no VIN listed.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NOT A TA on September 06, 2012, 09:45:41 AM
For those thinking it's a hassle to report the listing on Ebay here's a quick tutorial. Should take less than a minute to report each listing.

On the right side of the Ebay listing you will see a link "Report Listing". Clicking it brings you to a page with drop down menus.

Under REPORT CATEGORY click "listing practices" in the drop down menu

Under REASON FOR REPORT click "Vehicle misrepresentation" in the drop down menu

Under DETAILED REASON click "vehicle misrepresentation" in the drop down menu. When you do it pops up a sentence saying you are reporting because the listing doesn't include the VIN

Click Submit Report
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 06, 2012, 09:53:17 AM
Reported the socond I saw it!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 06, 2012, 10:00:36 AM
and now back with more then one id!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-1973-Fully-Restored-Camaro-Z28-Trimmed-/150894955709?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item23220a4cbd (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Z28-1973-Fully-Restored-Camaro-Z28-Trimmed-/150894955709?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item23220a4cbd)

and I saw him on ebay canada...and here with a chevelle....

http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/f646/1967-chevelle-low-price-restored-2585753.html (http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/f646/1967-chevelle-low-price-restored-2585753.html)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: LOMILETA on September 06, 2012, 10:27:51 AM
They have the mustangs back as well.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-Fastback-1966-350-GT-2-2-Fastback-/290770522876?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b34612fc
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 06, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
Reported both new listings...I gots the time ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on September 06, 2012, 11:02:53 AM
All reported...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 06, 2012, 11:11:03 AM
My AD is up!     By the way...when I was going through the process of listing my car I saw that Ebay does NOT require a VIN on cars older than 81. Just thought I'd pass that along
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 06, 2012, 11:44:31 AM
Good job finding his auctions guys !
If we all get together and report them , Bob can't blame Flounders for loosing another couple hundred thousand dollars in his ponzi scheme .
It's like this guy is the juggernaut of @holes or something


Hey guys shouldn't someone be recording all of his auctions for the attorney general so they can see he's still hard at it?

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 06, 2012, 11:57:00 AM
Sure he can. Everything IS Flounders fault. It's his fault that Bob got caught shill bidding. It's his fault that he lost 150K in revenue. It's his fault that he fired all his staff for buying parts for vehicles they don't work on. It's his fault that his car isn't finished. It's his fault that tawidow can't be refunded the money she is rightly owed. The list goes on and on...

The way Bob's acting, it's like he's a 20 something. All sure he has all the answers and none of the problems are his own doing.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 06, 2012, 12:11:15 PM
Ok , I've been busy this morning, put an ad on Ebay, wrote a letter to  Jdonahoe@Ebay.com about WINSTONCUP2WATCH and filed a report with rip off.com.

 I've done enough for one day.

 Oh...and I got this today from Bob regarding the resolution agreement my Lawyer drafted for bob to sign.

 It basically states that Bob will pay me 3k,give me a set of NEW Year ONE 17 inch gold snowflakes and also give me a 79 5 feather hood bird. In return I will state that our bussiness has come to satisfactory end for both parties.


Looks like everything is heading in your favor.  Just having it checked out to make sure it all makes good sense, which it seems to be.
 
Have a great day
 
Bob
 
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 06, 2012, 12:30:36 PM
Now Bob pulled his T/A ad
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 06, 2012, 12:42:19 PM
So now its your fault that he's out 170k right?  ;D

BTW: The Chevelle truck (Hah!) is down as well. The Camaro is listed as being in FL(?) and the Mustang is still running as well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 06, 2012, 01:00:33 PM
Yeah, Camaro is listed in FL, with the same telephone number as the rest.  Which happens to be a wireless number out of Ashville, NC
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 06, 2012, 02:12:43 PM
I reported bob too
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 06, 2012, 02:26:04 PM
Bob's latest bulk e-mail sent out this morning:
This is to let everyone know that I will be hard at it for the rest of today and through the weekend painting and doing prep work to keep the cars a coming. So emails and return calls will be slow for the next several days.  Have to work to produce, not just my guys, myself as well.  We were able to move mountains with the first 125k I borrowed and are expecting our other loans in less than 1 1/2 to 2 weeks and we should be able to work out the rest.  Iím doing everything earthly possible to address all situations.  No build, no cash flow for months has slowed my plans some, but my efforts to have some help me help themselves just went through one ear and out the other.  The ones that helped are getting my all and so are the ones that didnít to the degree I can.  Our new magazine promotional and other advertising weíve never used before are starting to work.  So hang in there the mountain climber is chipping away at each obligation as fast as it is possible to be done.  As for calls itís easiest to reach me from 4 am to 7 am, off from 7 am to 8 am to get Livi on the bus, and then from 8 am to 10 am after that everything goes to voicemail and I deal with it at 3 am when I get up every morning.  After that Iím hard at it controlling every single thing that happens with these builds.  I am personally involved in every aspect from the motor builds to the body bushings.  Iím checking everything several times a day.  These are definitely twice the cars anyone is expecting for the money.  Unless you paid 25k or more, youíve done extremely well for what we are producing.  Yes, I wasnít happy with a lot of quality and wasted money, and man power, but I am preventing the wool to be pulled over my eyes right now as much as humanly possible that Iím so involved. And remember even agreements that werenít signed or received from me personally Iím still trying to solve those situations for people as soon as possible.  but unless I win the lottery tomorrow, I donít have a half a million dollar swing in me overnight.  So be patient.  I think the proof is in the pudding, all the customers that have had great progression in their builds, received cars and received monies.  Hopefully this will convince those that are not working with me to see the light.  Those I asked to assist on removing the bad on the internet and the negatives on eBay, and did, have been addressed first.  Those that tried to make the internet useless to me, which I donít need anymore, will be helped, but at a slower pace.  Everyone had the same opportunity.  You cut your nose off to spite your face.  You can lead a horse to water, but you canít make him drink.  If Iíd been able to take on builds at a third of the normal pace, plus the money I borrowed over the last 8 Ė 10 weeks, things would have been resolved with an issue with money.  Iíve been left liquidating my personal assets and money I could borrow by signing my name, these things donít come easy.  Iím still bending over backwards for those folks.  Everyone have a great weekend.
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 06, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
Got this a couple of hours ago from my Ebay account.


Dear 804flounder55,

Now I know who you are. I am the local restorer down the street that Bob contracted with to do work. Your car looks the way it does because of your own stupity. You took it unfinished against advisement. I was contracted to finish it with all your requirements. I opened this account to sell some of these cars for a profit for some of his customers. I am not a pushover like Bob. I will not have you bully me. You don't know who you're dealing with. I am gettin in conact with the owners of the Trans Am and Mustang and have both of them contact eBay. The Mustang owner is a prominant attorney. I am going to contact Bob this weekend and let him know what a slimeball you are.


- winstoncup2watch
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 06, 2012, 03:11:17 PM
Got this a couple of hours ago from my Ebay account.


Dear 804flounder55,

Now I know who you are. I am the local restorer down the street that Bob contracted with to do work. Your car looks the way it does because of your own stupity. You took it unfinished against advisement. I was contracted to finish it with all your requirements. I opened this account to sell some of these cars for a profit for some of his customers. I am not a pushover like Bob. I will not have you bully me. You don't know who you're dealing with. I am gettin in conact with the owners of the Trans Am and Mustang and have both of them contact eBay. The Mustang owner is a prominant attorney. I am going to contact Bob this weekend and let him know what a slimeball you are.


- winstoncup2watch


Omg this just gets better and better . Flounder , how do you cope with this utter nonsense .
You  must have hung a punching bag up in your office just to vent on .
I'm not even involved in this and my blood pressure is going threw the roof !
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 06, 2012, 03:18:05 PM
Got this a couple of hours ago from my Ebay account.


Dear 804flounder55,

Now I know who you are. I am the local restorer down the street that Bob contracted with to do work. Your car looks the way it does because of your own stupity. You took it unfinished against advisement. I was contracted to finish it with all your requirements. I opened this account to sell some of these cars for a profit for some of his customers. I am not a pushover like Bob. I will not have you bully me. You don't know who you're dealing with. I am gettin in conact with the owners of the Trans Am and Mustang and have both of them contact eBay. The Mustang owner is a prominant attorney. I am going to contact Bob this weekend and let him know what a slimeball you are.


- winstoncup2watch


So he's almost threatening you now?  "You don't know who I am!"    It's definitely Bob.  "Stupidity" is spelled as "stupity" and that's only the funniest error I found.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 06, 2012, 03:19:18 PM
We were able to move mountains with the first 125k I borrowed and are expecting our other loans in less than 1 1/2 to 2 weeks and we should be able to work out the rest.  Iím doing everything earthly possible to address all situations.  No build, no cash flow for months has slowed my plans some. Iíve been left liquidating my personal assets and money I could borrow by signing my name, these things donít come easy. 
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Bob

So what happened to all the money he's already received from all the previous builds he's supposedly doing . I think this guys got some nasty habits .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 06, 2012, 04:03:12 PM
Whoa!!! Who's a slimeball?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 06, 2012, 04:42:06 PM
I dunno Shroeder, I think "I am gettin" has gotta be close! Especially when you add in a Southern backwoods hick accent ;)


BTW: I'm thoroughly disappointed I didn't get something in my eBay inbox.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 06, 2012, 04:58:00 PM
I guess JMurray if you read the Email correctly I'm being accused of being a "slimeball"
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 06, 2012, 05:25:50 PM
I dunno Shroeder, I think "I am gettin" has gotta be close! Especially when you add in a Southern backwoods hick accent ;)


BTW: I'm thoroughly disappointed I didn't get something in my eBay inbox.

lol good point.  Made me chuckle ahah.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobg on September 06, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
Its funny, I recall a post about a year ago on rip off report or some site like it that had the same response defending BAB saying that this guy was a contracted painter for them and the work coming out of the shop was great. IIRC it had a person named Sean listed as the poster and I believe his nickname was spanky. I believe a number was even listed for people to call and speak to him directly.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 07, 2012, 07:41:05 AM
Got this a couple of hours ago from my Ebay account.


Dear 804flounder55,

 I am not a pushover like Bob. I will not have you bully me. You don't know who you're dealing with.


- winstoncup2watch


Flounder...be careful, maybe Bob wants to get you up to his shop to get your missing parts, then "break your legs and pour gasoline on you" like he has already admitted doing to someone already, then he can accuse you of stealing the parts....lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 07, 2012, 08:09:26 AM
^^ True.

But since this guy used eBay to threaten you, I'd simply turn the email over to eBay indicating your displeasure in the content of the message. If you're keeping a log of the communications from BAB/Pontiac Pros I'd add it to there as well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 07, 2012, 08:51:59 AM
His mustang was taken down for awhile after someone on this site sent me this and I copied and pasted it to WINSTON CUP.

and FYI, if the mustang owner is a prominent attorney, guess he is mad at bob too, as bob is no better with the mustangs then he is with the ta's. just from the weak pics posted of the mustang, I am not sure it is a 66 as advertised. dash pad is 65, glove box is standard 65, center tach pod is 65 Shelby, cluster is 65 GT w/standard interior, side scoops are 66 Shelby, interior is hard to tell from the terrible pics, but who would spend 45K on a mustang and opt for a bolt on (cheap) Shelby hood scoop and not the correct 65-66 Shelby hoodÖ

 
Now the mustang is back up with a different discription.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 07, 2012, 10:55:05 AM
If whoever this person is with the mustang is trying to seel the white car, WHY are there pics of a black and yellow car too??  Why?  Because they are playing the BAB/PAP game and just not saying it in the add.  If this isn't Bob the bandit, then this other guy contracted by Bob is no better than Bob! 

Yes Flounder, I read it right...  A slimeball calling someone who stood up for themselves and others a slimeball. PATHETIC!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 07, 2012, 11:24:28 AM
people like Bob are people too.  That means they have families and such just as well as us.  I wonder if Bob's parents are still alive.  Do they know what he does?  Are they disgusted of him?  If they are decent people and have passed away it's sad to think of them rolling in their graves from this disgusting human being's actions. 

I guess I was just thinking of how such a vile human being comes to be and started thinking of his family.  I wonder if his parents are the scum of the universe as well.  Like many groups of people have, people like Bob have a nice cozy ring reserved in hell for them.  I wonder if there are any half finished rotted trans ams waiting for him there.

It disgusts me that such a person walks this earth and that these things happen every day.

Just a compilation of thoughts I had on the pile of sh1t that Bob is.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 07, 2012, 02:46:52 PM
I don't usually talk about people's families because ( most times) they are victims as well. I'm a firm believer in Karma. Now I'm not sure if most of you know but Bob has a Special needs child ( 5,6 or 7 ) I often wonder if this is Karma..................................


 enough said...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: trentonmakes on September 07, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
I wonder if that is even true
Lol
I mean with all the bullshit from him, it wouldnt surprise me

Sent From My Fancy Little Thinking Box
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 07, 2012, 03:24:01 PM
Trenton the BS part is true but I'm pretty sure He DOES have a special needs child.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Izzy on September 07, 2012, 04:54:14 PM
Having a special needs child doesnt excuse him from being a world class d-bag.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 07, 2012, 05:00:08 PM
I never said it did.....on the contrary.......because he is a world class D-bag is maybe why he has a special needs child.............that's HIS cross to bear.........KARMA
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 07, 2012, 06:28:22 PM
Got a survey today from Ebay asking about my experience with them....... and my contact with Jdonanoe (prez) ,Boy did they get an Earful!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 07, 2012, 06:57:15 PM
Got this a couple of hours ago from my Ebay account.


Dear 804flounder55,

 You don't know who you're dealing with. I am gettin in conact


What the Hell is a CONACT?  Definitely Bob!

- winstoncup2watch

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 07, 2012, 08:49:58 PM
Does anyone know what the police and NC DA are doing?  Are they aware that he is placing ads in magazines and using new aliases?  How many is he up to now, 8 or 9?   I think what he meant when he threatened Flounder is that he's used so many different names that he doesn't even know who he's dealing with.   Maybe he's schizophrenic. He's got 6 bids on that Mustang.  I wonder how many times he's sold it off e-bay already.

He's got one more day to overnight my refund.   No word from him yet.  A friend told me that I don't have to sue him in NC.  I can sue him right here in GA.  I'm hoping that his last bulk e-mail will be proof enough to the police to prove that he never intended to pay me back.  Then I can have a criminal case too.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on September 08, 2012, 01:33:03 AM
WOW! I think they should make a movie about this dirtbag. Would be really entertaining. Wonder who could play Bob. Jack Nicholson would be good!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 08, 2012, 08:28:07 AM
Jim Neighbors ( gomer Pyle ) would be more realistic.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 08, 2012, 08:47:08 AM
I just received word from Bob that he has no intention of honoring his contract.  What a surprise.  Monday morning I will be filing a civil suit  and have criminal charges brought against him.  This dirtbag belongs in jail and out of work.

I am willing to pay a portion of other people's legal fees if they wish to file a joint suit with me.  I don't know how much it costs, so I can't commit to the entire fee.  I will work with whomever would like to see what we can legally do to put this guy and anyone working with him (those who know he's stealing from people) in jail and/or out of work.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 08, 2012, 09:42:29 AM
Carol,

  This Lawyer is really good!

Ross R. Fulton
Rayburn Cooper & Durham, P.A.
227 West Trade Street, Suite 1200
Charlotte, NC  28202-1672
Telephone:  704-334-0891
Fax:  704-377-1897
Email:  rfulton@rcdlaw.net
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 08, 2012, 09:57:05 AM
The lawyer's office opens at 8:30 on Monday and the detective is at the police station on Monday morning.  Anybody who'd like to join my effort now are welcome to contact me before that at 678-354-6937 or edcarolinathol@aol.com.  If you see the light later, contact me and I'll do what I can.  I will not be ch-ecking my e-mail from 6pm tonight through about noon tomorrow.

Not that anyone doubted it, but I have proof that Bob is using the winstoncup2watch and restoguru7881 e-bay accounts.  I also know his new company name - drum roll please................... Common Man Classic Hot Rods
Catchy, isn't it?  He's going to run out of names if we let him continue.  There are only so many in the English language.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 08, 2012, 11:11:24 AM
Now he is building 65 GTO's as well!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 08, 2012, 11:33:58 AM
There are 6 cars up for auction now on e-bay under these 2 new aliases - winstoncup2watch and restoguru7881.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 08, 2012, 12:11:42 PM
I reported ALL 6!  Can we all ask questions, IE is this The Infamous Bob the Bandit, Do you have any Trans Ams Left Etc.?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 08, 2012, 12:24:38 PM
i cant get over how deceptive the ads read, its hard to know what pictures represent what they are actually selling...and now Zak is in florida...and in school?? just helping out his "step dad"...glad I wore my boots today.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 08, 2012, 12:32:39 PM
I got on the phone and waited 15 minutes and reported him to Ebay.......AGIN! ( BOB SPELLING lol )
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 08, 2012, 12:51:38 PM
and now he has a 67 chevelle build too!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on September 08, 2012, 01:02:44 PM
He's just trying to scam the last few people he can before he makes a run for it.

Almost sad to watch.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Izzy on September 08, 2012, 01:08:44 PM
from his ad "Over the years I've restored hundreds of Pontiac and GM cars to mint condition."

uhmmm yeah
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 08, 2012, 02:24:11 PM
You must have read that wrong, or it's just another of Bob's typos.  What I'm sure he meant to say is "Over the years he's scammed hundreds of people trying to buy cars in mint condition."

So by his own admission he's had 100's of customers.  Let's just take the minimum for that statement - 200 victims x $15,000 = $3,000,000

Pretty sweet haul for a thief.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 08, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
his idea of mint is different then ours, he looks at cars as A place where money is coined...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Izzy on September 08, 2012, 08:11:59 PM
my point was, he says he restores Pontiacs and GM cars, pontiac IS GM. lol, or at least it was untill recently.  *takes off hat for a moment of silence*
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 09, 2012, 12:59:07 PM
Tawidow sorry to hear you didnt get the rest of your refund but as you said your not exactly surprised .
Great job on reporting his auctions guys ,I'm sure you've helped other potential victims .
Now if this family of hillbillies can just be stopped once and for all
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 09, 2012, 01:18:40 PM
Seems like most of the people on that FACEBOOK / BAB review suffer from the Emperor has no clothes syndrome.
 They refuse to acknowledge reality for fear of offending the king(Bob). They don't seem to care or have any noticeable concern that for their builds to come to fruition more victims must be created!...........

                                       THAT SUX!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 10, 2012, 09:32:52 AM
Newest e-mail from Bob:
I will no longer answer the phone when you call, nor will I open any of your emails.  I will not be verbally abused by anyone.  I will not tolerate anyone calling me and screaming at me. Your belligerence will not be tolerated. I can empathize with your loss.  I too have lost a son to a tragedy, and have lost my step son over all of this chaos. I will not be your whipping post.  Your husband was well aware of the company policy on refunds.  We discussed this, that it is a 90 refund policy if someone terminates during the build.  I will not stand for your slanderous acts.  You started with the slander and intent to do harm long before you were due anything.  You have posted things that are not true. I am not stealing anything from you.  I have a contract to build Ed a car, and that is what I was going to do.  That car was not due to be completed till next summer.  I am going to get a mediator.  From now on all conversations will be with the mediator.  You have chosen this route.  If you continue on like youíve been doing, this will get tied up in the court system.  I have done that, and it takes about a year and a half to get any sort of resolution. Even though you have a letter signed by someone that has no authority to issue a refund, I have been doing all that I can to make that work.
 
 
Bob

So he says the contract made by his wife and signed by his stepson (at the time his "build coordinator") because his company can't return an e-mail, letter, or phone call for at least 51 days is no good.  The 60 day policy that he fabricated a few weeks ago was miracuslously changed to a 90 day policy that he fabricated over the weekend and I'm the liar???  Bob's world is truly amazing.  Intent to do harm - Wanting to warn people what they will face based on my story and the mountain of negative stories plastered all over the internet about a guy with 8 aliases (that I know of) is slander in Bob's world.  We're all the wrong ones here and poor Bob is bending over backwards for all of us anyway because he's such a great guy.  What does this guy smoke to make himself believe all this?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 10, 2012, 09:55:06 AM
Lost his stepson?    His son is in Tallahassee helpinhg him hawk his "vehicles"..........give me a break!

 Carol go after that slimball ! I hope Ross can help you! If anybody can,Ross can! He's one of the best Lawyers I've run across in a long time!

 He was the one that got the NC AG involved. You may want to contact Susan Davis and let her know what's going on here. He has already given you some money so that in itself acknowledges the debt to you!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 10, 2012, 10:56:34 AM
Don't feel bad George on the FB stuff. My comments on getting PHS run against the VIN to prove that its a true SE and not a clone were removed. Guess they didn't want to hear that the car could actually be a fake. Oh well, their dreamworld if they don't want to do the due diligence to find out the truth. Just wait until they try to offload the car and find out it was possibly a base firebird someone cloned. Then maybe they'll see the light.

Tawidow - I seriously hope you get every last dime coming to you. It's unreal that Bob can't honor his own commitments to you. All you've done, from what we've seen here, is ask for a refund you're entitled to and he's admitted to owing you.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 10, 2012, 11:40:48 AM
Well I think if I ask my lawyer to force Bob into banlruptcy that will solve it all. Bob will be out of bussiness and no body gets anything.

 It would give the facebook guys a new topic....me!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 10, 2012, 11:51:44 AM
Reported the Mustang. Left the GTO alone as it appears to be an actual car sale - VIN is included.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 10, 2012, 12:16:06 PM
You can still report the item. 
Click "Report Item"
Reporting Category is "listing practices"
Reason for Report is "avoiding eBay fees"
Detailed Reason is "contact info in listings" i The listing has contact information such as an email address, phone number, or domain name in the title, subtitle, images, or item location.

The phone number is how he snags people off ebay.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 10, 2012, 12:21:35 PM
This guy is just getting way out of hand with his lies.  Take his A$$ to court.  If he doesn't have money to give you then go over his damn mobile home or the building he works out of. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 10, 2012, 01:13:12 PM
Carol, I'm sure he's changed it but I have the original web page that shows Ericka Kampert was owner of the bussiness Build A Bandit and then Pontiac Pros.

 I told Bob about it and he has since changed it but I have the web page and the corroborating Email from Bob acknowledging that he changed it.
  I forwarded it to you. That should be some pretty powerful evidence!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 10, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
So did all this cash Bob brought in go to Zak's school tuition?  That will be his next excuse!  According to the new camaro listing from restoguru, he's paying his father back.  But he's keeping his other camaro.  Or is it Bob throwing his stepson under the bus instead??  The saga continues....  It almost laughable if so many people weren't getting taken.  No offense to those that have btw
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 10, 2012, 11:13:06 PM


.  It almost laughable if so many people weren't getting taken.  No offense to those that have btw

The problem here is the same as myself , no one does enough research and joins forums after the damage is done . I thought I knew allot more about these cars than I did and give people the benefit of the doubt . I wasn't aware there were that many evil people praying on unsuspecting victims .
Thankfully I was only down a grand thanks to the quick thinking of the members here .
Had I found this forum before I did any transactions on eBay , I would have saved myself allot of stress and some cash . Ebays so called buyer protection plan wasn't  very helpful . But as with anything warranty wise or insurance it's always a joke
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 11, 2012, 07:48:33 AM
They ought to set a section up on this site just to identify  or tell of scams and scam artists in the bussiness.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 11, 2012, 08:28:34 AM
It's a good idea but...if you recall when the original BAB thread started, a majority of us warned of just that issue. Out of all the customers that hopped on the BAB bandwagon, you're the only one that saw the light. Only after you started digging did Tawidow and the serviceman (sorry, can't remember the screen name off the top of my head) see what Bob was truly up to. The original poster of that thread has started his/her own website to continue to promote BAB's work on his/her car.

So I guess what I'm saying is this...the person has to be willing & receptive to the advice we give.

Also, I'm sure Brett has to wade carefully as being the site owner, he is ultimately responsible for site content.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 11, 2012, 08:51:21 AM
The serviceman's name was Boomer ( I believe ). I have spoken with Joe Godar ( the thread originator ) several times. While he and I have different views of BAB I understand that his stance is based on the facts that he just wants a decent car ( his words). I reminded him that the ad he responded to did not state " decent car" it stated.." f u l l y  R e s t o r e d" which he agreed with.

 These guys have the air of despartion in their words and are writing to as if Bob is standing behind them watching every word.

 I've reminded them how much money Bob took in and that should they get their cars that it's going to be at some else's expense.

 Finally I just gave up and just told them they have not been lied to enough, at some point they will get fed up they are just not there yet.

   
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 11, 2012, 09:27:08 AM
I wish someone had a pic of BABs shop when there all standing there playing banjos . It would shed allot of light
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 11, 2012, 12:05:55 PM
He's relisting his items with the phone number still on them.  Keep reporting.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 11, 2012, 12:20:17 PM
Any other names to look for?  OI only saw the chevelle and 2 mustangs?!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 11, 2012, 12:46:20 PM
So far the 2 names I saw were winstoncup2watch and restoguru7881......The cars I've seen are 65-66 mustangs,65 GTO,67 Chevelle and 72-73 Camaro's

   Keep up the good work guys!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 11, 2012, 05:10:02 PM
please keep posting the links to these crooked ebay listings.  I'd like to help report as well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 11, 2012, 06:14:35 PM
Somebody instruct me how to post a link. Do you copy and paste something? Not sure what. Help me out here!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 11, 2012, 06:58:18 PM
I just go to advanced settings in the Ebay search and copy and paste the sellers ID... Then Report Item, then Listing Practices, Ten Fraudulent Listing!  Hope that helps?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 11, 2012, 09:09:11 PM
I just go to advanced settings in the Ebay search and copy and paste the sellers ID... Then Report Item, then Listing Practices, Ten Fraudulent Listing!  Hope that helps?
I was wondering how you were finding them
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 11, 2012, 09:11:07 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Chevelle-396-SS-Badge-Look-/150898252605?forcev4exp=true

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-1972-Real-Deal-SS-Camaro-/150898792001?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item232244d641

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Mustang-Coupe-/290773240965?forcev4exp=true

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-coupe-1965-Mustang-Coupe-/290773240965?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b36f8c85

All you do is copy and paste the web address
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 11, 2012, 10:57:19 PM
Ole skool......How did you find that??

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on September 11, 2012, 11:07:56 PM
Are you searching by phone  number?

Is Bob so much of an idiot that he doesn't change it?

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 12, 2012, 06:57:15 AM
Are you searching by phone  number?

Is Bob so much of an idiot that he doesn't change it?



he actually is alternating between 3 numbers that I currently know of...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 12, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
I saw some phone numbers listed here and it sounds like this "company" builds cars to buyer specs.  Since you guys have been following more closely I thought I'd post this here to see if Bob has another ebay alias and if this is another fake listing.  Here he seems to be actually offering a car that is complete and ready, so it may not be him.  I just saw the numbers, future build offers, and that he is a new member with 0 feedback so I thought I'd list it here for you guys to scan,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-bandit-78-TRANS-AM-BANDIT-Tribute-/180968536704?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a2290ba80
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on September 12, 2012, 09:45:57 AM
Doesnt look to be him. Different number and location.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 12, 2012, 10:04:29 AM
Funny he has no money to refund or complete other pre purchased builds but is steadily acquiring new cars and new parts for current auctions. A pic on this listing I can see at least 2 TA's maybe 3 or it is a Camaro.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-coupe-1965-Mustang-Coupe-/290773240965?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b36f8c85
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 12, 2012, 11:14:14 AM
Solar - just remember that WinstonCup2Watch is an independent contractor that took over some of Bob's builds to help him out ;) This was per the email he sent to Flounder through Ebay.

It's ok though...reported his unbuilt mustang 2x - no vin and avoiding ebay fees by listing a phone number.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 12, 2012, 11:40:17 AM
That's right Solar.....the only thing they share is the inability to spell......you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.......you can roll a turd in powered sugar but that don't make it a jelly donut!

   Thanks to all of you guys for staying on Bob  and his " independant contractor"

 I may have to make an annoucement soon regarding my bussiness with Bob. I had my lawyer draft a letter stateing that we have satisfactorily concluded our bussiness .
Of course he has to come up with 3K ,a 79 hood bird and a new set of 17 inch Year One gold snowflakes......Oink!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 12, 2012, 11:53:38 AM
Just got this from one of Bob's customers!

I want to address some issues this morning to ease some peoples worries and concerns.  I have diligently worked with every individual to produce a prompt and realistic resolution to all concerns and obligations.  Mr. Payne has continued to assault and slander us along with Mrs. Thompson on the internet.  I wasnít aware of the extent or the malice until this week, when I received several phone calls from attorneys and investigators.  They were inquiring about information on these two individuals stemming from two other individuals living in my area wanting to file slander, intent to do harm  and defamation of character law suits against the two of them in separate and co-conspiring suits.  These matters gave me great cause for concern.  I have been advised in my dealing with them to only go through my attorney or the mediation process with both Mr. Payne and Mrs. Thompson.  They were well on their way to what I thought were fairly prompt resolutions. It wasnít until very recently that I was informed of the true intent of Mr. Payne.  He was going to take the settlement from me and still continue with his personal vendetta against me and my family. He made it clear to several individuals that these were his intentions, that no matter what agreement we came to that I was so gullible that I wouldnít know what was going on.  He was going to use whatever means, legal or other wise to destroy me and my family. Now we all know the lengthy year long process that will be established at this point.  I was also contacted by two of these individuals, that have decided on their legal course of action with Mr. Payne and Mrs. Thompson, that they no longer wanted to provide services to myself after their obligations to some customers are fulfilled.  I probably have lost to long life friends over this matter.  I do sympathize with Mrs. Thompson.  I recently have lost a son to a tragedy, and a step son that these matters with my profession and people such as this has caused.  Mrs. Thompson has been unapproachable by telephone conversation.  Sheís so belligerent no one can get through to her that the document isnít worth the paper itís written on, unnotarized, an underage person signed (that had no authority to sign on the companyís behalf), and against policy (the policy is a refund in 90 business days if you terminate during the build process.  Mr. Thompson was well aware of this policy, and so was Mrs. Thompson. I had discussed it with him, and he told me that he had discussed every detail of this deal with his wife.  Both were on board and understood.) refund letter for her that was signed under duress from her threating an underage kid.  There is much case law on this matter.  No one could get a word in edgewise to solve her problem through the proper channels, so again Iím forced to let it run itís course.  She took it out of the quick resolution process.  Again, common sense canít be bought or taught most apparently.  I have been contacted by several that want to know what all the threats of Mr. Payne forcing me into bankruptcy are all about.  I would like to also address this threat he has made.  Back 65 days ago when he first threatened me with this, measures were taken right then in a matter of days to protect all.  The company has been dissolved for the same period of time.  I have been delivering on obligations as an individual and settling prior debts and obligations.  I am fully cooperating and assisting any and all agencies; attorneys and federal contacts that have a regulatory eye on how I as an individual is handling and working towards all resolutions.  I am guilty of fully accepting the responsibility of my actions, and my former companyís actions.  Enough on that.  Things will stay on course as they are.  Anyone choosing not to work out their resolutions with myself, the only person who can provide relief for them, and would rather take the same path as Mr. Payne and Mrs. Thompson and use their logic, please email me and I will provide the proper information, who to contact, and resolve your issues in that lengthy process.  I will work with those just as well and assist over the year long process as those Iím immediately giving relief to.  You have my full cooperation.  Common sense cannot be bought or taught most apparently.  I will not advise or even ask you to choose a path.  I think you should obtain legal advice and follow that advice.  I will work with whichever process you desire.  One other note, the company as it were does have some assets, in the range of about $4000 and I personally have  assets totaling now in the range of just slightly less.  This is public record, donít take my word for it, check it out for yourself.  So, with this information, your patience is paying off.  Just ask all that have received cars and people seeing leaps and bounds in their builds.  I will take care of everyone in a realistic manner.  So hang in there.  No one like the boat weíre in, but we are making great progress on crossing the ocean to the other shore.  Have a great weekend and Iím doing enough stressing and worrying for all of us.  Ease your mind and patience will bring you peace.  And for those losing negative people, donít bother expecting a follow up email or call from me.  Iím spending my time and efforts on the positive common sense people.  Those are the ones that have gotten the resolutions as prompt as I can possibly do for them.  I am loving those positive reactions and emails.  Itís my driving force.  Thanks again to the 95%.

 
 
Thanks
 
Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on September 12, 2012, 12:01:25 PM
Oh Please!  ::)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 12, 2012, 01:06:21 PM
This just keeps getting better.  Now I've threatened his stepson and coerced him into signing a document?   I was the one forced to drive 4 1/2 hours each way because they couldn't be bolthered to return a phone call (only one made it through, the rest of the attempts were "mailbox full" messages), snail mail, and e-mails.  When I got there at about 3pm a few men were closing up shop for the day.  They all knew I was coming because I had sent a certified letter.  One was decent enough to call Zak on his cell phone and let me speak with him.  Zak made it known how big a deal it was to come all the way across town to give me a new contract.  It would have taken him a whole 20 minutes!!!  I waited about 45 minutes and some other guy, David, drove up.  All the other employees had left long before.  David gave me the new contract signed by Zak.  Zak said that he had to talk with someone else, I think it was his mother, to figure out how to word the new contract.  So now I've threatened him?  He had 2 or 3 employees standing around waiting for me to finish the call.  Are they willing to testify that I threatened Zak?  I'd love to know what I said to threaten him.  The employees can be sued just as easily if they'd like to lie for this piece of scum. 

As to his "policy" - my husband never mentioned a time frame.  Bob mentioned a 60 day timeframe after I had the new contract.  He was upset that I had the new contract.  He never mentioned that his stepson was underage.  He's only mentioned that his stepson failed to return messages while he was gone and keep the shop going.  If he had permission to communicate with customers, he's got permission to make agreements with customers.  That would include contracts.  He acknowleged the contract by giving me a partial payment in August.  That same partial payment and contract are saving him from jail (from me anyway).  The police said that it is a civil matter.  I'd love to know what people I've slandered.  It can't be Bob, since I've only told the truth about him.  Who else is there?  I have spoken with attorneys and investigators regarding Bob this week.  Somehow, it wasn't about my wrongdoing.  Hmmmm, wonder who it was about???

Anyone wondering about my belligerence, I did raise my voice to Bob - after he raised his.  I had called to ask if my check was going in the mail on Saturday.  When he said it wasn't and he had no intention of fulfilling the contract then I said that I would pursue every legal avenue to get the money back and look into pressing criminal charges against him for theft.  He hung up.  I called back and asked why he wasn't fulfilling the contract and that's when he started yelling about the 90 day policy.  His last phone call to me he mentioned the "well known" 60 day policy.  His attempts at phone contact have been one, when he knew I was gone, traveling home from my 400 mile round trip to his shop.  I called every other time trying to find any information because he refuses to respond to questions in countless e-mails.  One e-mail that I think I already posted said that he intended to honor the contract signed by Zak.

I'm waiting for his mediator to call me or his attorney.  I'd love to speak with either.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 12, 2012, 01:10:01 PM
lying cheater.  I like his threats to file slander suits.  That's big talk too.  TAWidow and flounder have so many emails and letters from him that they can easily prove he is a back-tracking liar.  His slander suit would blow up in his face.  I wonder if this sack of sh1t even has a high school diploma.  He's so stupid it's sad to watch all his "business" blunders and childish lies come up again and again.

bob mclearth=criminal
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on September 12, 2012, 01:12:33 PM
here we go again , " boo hoo bob"
                                       JOSH
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 12, 2012, 02:34:15 PM
Oh Please!  ::)
I had a tear in my eye
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 12, 2012, 03:45:00 PM
Bob  should write country songs....
Title: Sv: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: mikekop on September 12, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
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I had a tear in my eye
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I am sure you were cutting onions!
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Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 12, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
If I recall correctly TAWidow, your husband unfortunately passed in beginning of June correct? If so...

Beginning of June to Beginning of July - 30 days
Beginning of July to Beginning of August - 30 days
Beginning of August to Beginning of Sept - 30 days

If my math isn't failing me this afternoon, that's 90 days. So...what sayeth Bob to my math? ;D

And someone slap Bob across the head please. His email is horrible. Paragraphs Bob, Paragraphs! Carriage returns don't cost you anything...use them!!!

As for the content of the email...looks to me like he just laid his cards on the table to force everyone to deal with his BS. Here's 4k which you can divy up amongst yourselves OR you can continue to listen to my BS in the hopes that you eventually receive something that sorta kinda maybe looks like a Trans Am. Good grief...talk about pressure.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 12, 2012, 04:45:54 PM
My husband died, or terminated as Bob so eloquently puts it, on June 7th.  Bob has a copy of the death certificate.  It's been 97 days today. 

What his e-mail would say to me if I hadn't already done so is get my butt in gear and contact the Attorney General's office.  It won't neccessarily get your money back, but it will alert the NC AG's office of the extent of his behavior.  More than likely, nothing will get your money or car back. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 12, 2012, 07:59:47 PM
Bob  should write country songs....

 

AHHAHAHAH good one midyear.  Really made me chuckle.


As for the content of the email...looks to me like he just laid his cards on the table to force everyone to deal with his BS. Here's 4k which you can divy up amongst yourselves OR you can continue to listen to my BS in the hopes that you eventually receive something that sorta kinda maybe looks like a Trans Am. Good grief...talk about pressure.

brian.  I think your analysis of the cards being out is very good.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 12, 2012, 08:16:48 PM
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I had a tear in my eye
I am sure you were cutting onions!
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lol, Actually  it was that painful listening to his BS . Bob should write science fiction novels ,I suspect he'd do well
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on September 12, 2012, 11:57:53 PM
slander, intent to do harm  and defamation of character

Kind of hard to charge somebody of doing this when all that has been stated is the truth.  Bob hasn't been slandered, but he does intend to do harm to all he steals from, but at the same time he is always defecating on his character.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on September 13, 2012, 12:01:43 AM
I saw some phone numbers listed here and it sounds like this "company" builds cars to buyer specs.  Since you guys have been following more closely I thought I'd post this here to see if Bob has another ebay alias and if this is another fake listing.  Here he seems to be actually offering a car that is complete and ready, so it may not be him.  I just saw the numbers, future build offers, and that he is a new member with 0 feedback so I thought I'd list it here for you guys to scan,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-bandit-78-TRANS-AM-BANDIT-Tribute-/180968536704?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a2290ba80

No this guy doesn't write in Hillbilly, and his restores are legit.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tprater on September 13, 2012, 07:51:05 AM
tawidow, didn't your original contract with bob say something along the lines of if your husband passed away you would get a refund? If theres no time limit on that specific contract, he can't claim company policy over a very specific contract. He is legally obliged to fufill that specific contract/agreement. Also, even if its not in the contract itself, if he said anything about a refund if you husband passed, it is a verbal contract. He really has no leg to stand on with this. I happen to be stationed in NC if anyone needs anything. Its still about a 5 hour drive to get to Asheville NC, but I could help with phone numbers and contact here in NC.

To think that I almost drove out there with my car to have some work done on it by Bob back in 2008/2009. I also beleive that my trans am is actaully from Bob. I cant post pictures of it but I will say that anyone getting a car from there be diligent to pull up the carpet. Mine had a bunch of foam and stuf like that inserted and then the undercarriage was painted. Luckily I caught it before I bought the car. The guy I bought it from said the car was from out west in asheville. He drove it back to Jacksonville NC and told me that it kept overheating every hour or so. He also had to put about 1k into the motor just to make it run decent.

It also had a 455 HO decal on the shaker scoop and his description was what he was told. A 455 bored 30 over. It turned out to be a 400 never been bored. Also had a really high lift cam in it...with stock valve springs and stock heads. Holly double pumper 600cfm carb with headers and a Edelbrock intake....Scoop was attatched to the hood....Transmission was replaced by the guy I bought it from...The paint job was pitted, which happens when you dont let the coats dry. The body work was non existent...Paint over rust...Interior was...not too bad...but them floors...

Anyways this car sounds like the guy I bought it from was antsy with bob and this was the final product...The only good thing out of it was the motor and now I have a kinda decent parts car....

Edit: cant post pictures because im in the marines using the government computer...cant get on photobucket
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 13, 2012, 09:32:31 AM
Dear TP,

 That certainly sounds like a Bob McElreath kinda car. TP you may be interested to know that Bob promised a serviceman stationed Kabul,Afghanistan that he would build him a T/A and that it would be ready by the time he rotated back to the states just in time to give his 5 Y/O a birthday ride.

  Boomer1305 ( his screen name )  has not gotten back with me so that we can arrange a ride in a T/A for he and his 5 Y/O. People on this site take care of their own.........kinda like you guys!

 I just assume he has had it taken care of through JAG.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 13, 2012, 01:24:27 PM
I pulled this off of Facebook


Vince Errigo, Jr says:

 September 13, 2012 at 2:05 pm

I too am waiting for my car to be finished. Only difference is mine is a 1966 Shelby Mustang GT350H clone. Cost being $24,500 with the extras and Bob agreed to a 4 payment schedule and to finish the car in 6-7 months. I received the signed contract and sent Bob the $10,750 in December 2011 and the next payment of $5,375 in April 2012 with the final payment due when the car is finished in July. Before I sent the April payment I asked for pictures and was sent pictures showing me the under carriage all finished and the car all masked off in primer waiting for paint. I was told from Zak that they were on schedule and the car should be finished mid July. Like with all the rest of you that deadline has come and gone and all the e-mails explaining the problems have begun. I know the negatives well out weigh the positives but I choose to step back and give Bob the 60-90 days he asked for. I read that the people that did receive their builds took about a year. Iím going to give him at least that. If nothing happens by then I will be forced to take legal action as you all have and ask for your help in getting my money back. Iíd much rather have my car finished than a law suit that cost me $16,125.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 13, 2012, 02:40:11 PM
tp - I appreciate the offer to help.  I'm actually closer than you.  It's only a 4 1/2 hour trip for me each way.  Hopefully, I'll be able to make it there and back each day for all the court dates.  I plan to be there if he's ever charged criminally with anything or when any of the other groups bring him in.  He had zero policies in writing other than when the car would be ready (I've never heard of when he honors that).  It was all verbal.  It was never specific until HE wanted it to be.  All he told my husband was that there was a refund.  The number of days was never discussed until after I returned home from my 400 mile excursion to his shop.  He was upset that the person he put in charge had given me a 30 day contract.  Only then did he say that it was a "well known" 60 day policy.  He never mentioned that his stepson (whom I've never met) was threatened, coerced into signing, or underage.  That's all new to me.  I had a 20 second phone conversation with the man (Zak) and then waited an additional 45 minutes before I got the new contract.  The new one voided the first and promised a full refund within 30 business days.  The contracts that are signed by Bob are not notarized, so I'm not sure why he believes that the fact my contract with his business signed by Zak isn't valid because it's not notarized.  It's just another example of how he adds policies and rules to things at his whim and expect everyone to believe them.  He can also change those "well known" policies.  2 days prior to my contract deadline for a refund the "well known" 60 day policy became a "well known" 90 day policy that he said I knew about all along.   

I really appreciate people posting his ramblings.  It helps paint a picture for anyone looking into buying a car from him.  The contradictions and lies are obvious just from his own keyboard!  We almost don't even have to do anything.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 13, 2012, 04:59:54 PM
Reported all ads up by the two seller ids.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 14, 2012, 09:26:07 AM
And to think I know a female version of Bob , my sister  ::)
Thank god I didnt turn out to be a greedy  pathological liar
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 19, 2012, 10:53:37 AM
I got this from one of Bob's customers today.



This is a quick note for those that have asked nicely and not so nicely.  I went to the hospital because my daughter Olivia was taken by ambulance.  While at the ER I collapsed.  This was caused by my extreme worry for her, NOT by any concerns over the internet, George Payne, or anything else pertaining to the business.  This is the last Iím speaking of this.  I do not have the time or energy to deal with all the questions.  Iím back at work, and thatís all you should be worried about.
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 19, 2012, 11:12:36 AM
This guy is such a Joke.  Does anyone have any updates about getting any money (monies) or a car back yet?

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on September 19, 2012, 12:32:09 PM
i see a new reality show in the works called "its hard being bob" or "everybody hates bob"
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 19, 2012, 02:37:43 PM
i see a new reality show in the works called "its hard being bob" or "everybody hates bob"

AHAHHAHAHA lol really made me laugh.

 
This guy is such a Joke.  Does anyone have any updates about getting any money (monies) or a car back yet?



Although simple, i found this hysterical too.  Maybe because I was thinking the same thing.  If he was a responsible man and didn't wanna speak of the event any more he shoulda never brought it up in the first place.  What an idiot.  I wonder if this guy has a high school diploma.  Doesn't seem like he understands anything from how business works to how people react when you lie to them.

Everybody hates Bob....ahhaha or, I can see it now, "The Nicest Guy You'll Ever Hate" Premiering this fall on ABC.  hahaha
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 19, 2012, 06:08:37 PM
I think Bob is trying to show that he actually has a heart about anyone other than himself.  I'd be impressed that he even cares if I believed any of it.  He's thrown his stepson under the bus.  I'm shocked he hasn't blamed his daughter for being the reason that he's late for everyone.  Maybe Flounder or I coerced her into being sick.

Bob "This is the last I'm speaking of this" = until next time when I string a few more words together incoherently that will continue to leave most or all questions unanswered as I blame you for confusing me by asking simple yes or no questions using 4th grade level vocabulary.

Nothing has happened regarding refunds.  He has refused to answer any e-mails or phone calls.  The 90 day policy he invented at day 29 of a 30 day signed contract has expired.  We're now at 105 days since my husband died and 95 days since he was notified by mail.  Still no check.  Somehow that's my fault because I raised my voice to him after he raised his and stole my money.  Only the good die young.  He'll live to 100.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 19, 2012, 06:29:41 PM
Another snippet from Bob,

On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:55 AM, "Erica" <eckampert@live.com> wrote:
 

Things are getting better!  I want to address an issue or two today so those involved will get a clearer understanding. I have over the last month been offered several times of extra or additional money to jump customers in the order of the build process.  The total is about 30k.  It would solve the money on hand problems, but in the end would cause problems for someone else.  It would be wrong, and still would probably not change those time frames.  I do not place one customers importance over another because of money, actions maybe have more consideration.  That would be robbing Peter to pay Paul.  A lot of my personal property and my assets have been liquidated and you all have benefited directly or indirectly.  This will continue, and all monies borrowed on my signature are keeping your cars being built.  Belligerence is impossible to deal with, so I wonít.  Anyone who would like my 20 hour a day job for no pay, and 4000 tons of stress level, the job is open to all.  If I hear law suit, jail, kill you, or make threats to me or my family one more time, I will stop communication with that party. This goes especially if  you are under the influence of alcohol or any thing else.  I will turn all over to a third party.  This is a very small number of people, and I think they know who they are.  I understand that all you are concerned with is #1.  That is important, but I have 35 #1ís to deal with.  Since Iíve returned from the situation with my older son, I have used diligence and shown I will not let you down.  I canít change water into wine.  So, hang in there because I am hanging in there for you.  Now on a positive note we have two testimonial from people who received their units in the past week or so, that I will be sharing with you later.  So check your inbox.
 

 
 

Thanks
 

Bob
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 19, 2012, 06:33:25 PM
And yet two more inspirational revelations!

For anyone asking for updates that I promised to do this weekend, they will be delayed.  I was in the hospital on Saturday with chest pains and numbness.  I left Sunday morning even though the Dr wanted me to stay for a few more days.  Iím on strict bed rest for at least the next couple of days.  Obviously I canít keep the pace that I was working.  I will get to all updates, just give me a bit of time.
 
 
Thanks
 
Bob
 


Well, I donít feel like a million dollars today.  Iím physically a little weak.  I believe the concern is better placed on other things.  Thanks, Iíll be hard at it again, I started this morning at 2 am and will work today, Tuesday, on all the things that need to get to people.  Anybody that needs me fell free to call today and will get on what you need.  Iím weeding through the hundred or so emails from the last couple of days and just as many phone messages.
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 19, 2012, 06:53:15 PM
Movie Title: Oceans 15

Story Line:  Starts off with a clock showing 3PM and a man waking up for the first time that day.  The man then gets in his truck and drives down to his junk of a restoration company.  While all his customers complain and demanded money back, he laughs and sends little letters about his "sorrows and bad health."  Until one day............ all contact stops.  While everyone feels terrible for working and stressing this poor honest guy to death......  he is running off to Vegas to burn all their monies away.

The End

I apologize for any typos.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on September 19, 2012, 07:56:12 PM
Another snippet from Bob,

On Sep 10, 2012, at 8:55 AM, "Erica" <eckampert@live.com> wrote:
 

 Anyone who would like my 20 hour a day job for no pay, and 4000 tons of stress level, the job is open to all. 
 
 

Thanks
 

Bob

Wasn't he ALREADY PAID up front by numerous people? So the 20 hours a day for NO PAY is bogus.Who would have thought...lol. Where did all the MONIES go? From previous post at least $60,000 went to Vegas.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on September 19, 2012, 08:48:52 PM
WHY would Bob take in more jobs when he can't even get the first two out in time ?
I don't under stand ?
How is this anybody's fault but his own .
How can he start a car and then start another car , and take in more money and start another car and not even finish or get close to finishing the first or second car .
I would think he would finish the first dozen or so before taking in more money and taking on more jobs. I mean come on man !
I am starting to feel ripped off too, and I didn't even give him any money.


                                                                     Oh I see HE'S RUNNING A SCAM !!!
                                                                    He should be put out of our misery !

                                                                               JOSH
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 19, 2012, 11:09:50 PM
Who does he say calls him up drunk or on anything?  Is that us too?  I only know of two people that he's claimed that he's working with a mediator (translated to not doing a damn thing) - me and maybe Flounder because of how belligerent we are (translated fed up when he screams at me).  I don't drink and I've never taken a drug in my life that wasn't prescribed - not even "not inhaling."

Maybe if I ever were to get drunk I should call him.  He'd probably make a lot more sense then.

Who's threatened to kill him?  Wishing him dead isn't the same thing as threatening to kill him - and I don't think anyone's ever said even that to him.  It's more of an assumption on just about everyone's part I'd think.  Although, I'd like to see justice served first and spend a few decades in jail with some close friends.

20 hours days?  He sucks even more than I thought then.  He should be churning out a lot more cars if that were the case.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 19, 2012, 11:15:27 PM
Maybe it's 20 hours a day reading hate mail and posting new auctions on eBay ? We know it's not building cars
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 04:18:44 AM
Just for the record I have not spoken with Bob since I pulled my "Beautiful Bandit" out of that dump he calls a shop. We have exchanged Emails, I have threatened to put him into bankruptcy (which still might happen) but I'm not going to call him drunk ( would really ruin a good buzz) and I don't make idle threats. Would not threaten his family, why should I they have HIM as a relative what more could I do?

 I don't see any more ads on Ebay right now but I'm sure that source of money is too tempting for him to resist.

 I can only assume he has a few disgruntled customers other than T A widow and myself ( imagine that).

 There is no way he is working 20 hour days. Maybe collectively with his employees they are putting 20 hours a day.
 I would like to thank all of Bob's customers that are sending me these Emails, for some strange reason Bob stopped sending this stuff to me.
 I did wonder about one thing Bob said. He refused MONEY to jump customers cars to the front? And it was 30K?
 If he refused it how does he know how much it was? Certainly no ONE person is going to pay him 30K extra to move their car to the front of the line. Sure does make one wonder.........
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 20, 2012, 07:16:37 AM
Only the good die young.  He'll live to 100.

word   :-/
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 20, 2012, 09:07:41 AM
so he was hospitalized. That's easy, call the local hospital in his town and ask for his room. They will tell you if he was discharged or never there.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 20, 2012, 09:48:14 AM
Ssshhhhhhh!  He's working in stealth now. 

The latest from Bob:

Hey, by whatís going on Iím not suppose too. I want in all my heart to fix you., I have to have this conversation in stealth, Against all my legal advice I want you to know Iím in your Connor just listen and no matter whatís happen or youíve  done, and please donít take that wrong . Iím in the wrong with my failures. Youíll be contacted by Joe Gadara and heíll get this rolling the right way, Carroll, for one time listen to me, I can only say I beGGGGGGGGGGG You, FOR YOU.   BOB
 

From: edcarolinathol@aol.com

Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 12:00 AM
 
To: eckampert@live.com

Subject: mediator questions
 
Bob,
 
You are now 9 days overdue to refund my $13,000.  When are you planning on repaying it? The 90 day policy you invented on day 29 of our 30 day contract has also expired.  My husband has been gone for 105 days.  You have known about his death for 95 days.  There are no more excuses.  You said that you were forwarding everything to a mediator.  What is the mediator's name?  When are they contacting me?  What is his/her phone number so that I may contact him or her?   I have heard nothing yet except more lies that you are spewing about me and other victims. I will continue to believe that your bit about a mediator is yet another lie you are using to try to sway people that you are doing the right thing.  I know better.  Prove me wrong and produce his or her name and number.  I welcome the contact from an intelligent person with whom I can work out your payment plan.
 

Carol Thompson
 

I'm so glad he's in my Conner.  I have no doubt that he wants to fix me.  Wait - is that a threat?  Bob is threatening me!!! Maybe he'll break my legs and pour gasoline on me.  It'll be okay though because he won't like it.  (For those campers that are new to this soap opera - Bob sent out a bulk e-mail a month or so ago that explained why he had a criminal record.  He claims that someone broke into his shop and he caught him stealing parts.  Bob broke both the man's legs and poured gasoline on him.  His e-mail attempted to justify his attempted murder by saying that he didn't like it.  I know it made me warm and fuzzy.)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: LOMILETA on September 20, 2012, 10:02:47 AM
  I understand that all you are concerned with is #1.  That is important, but I have 35 #1ís to deal with. 

Now If my math serves me correctly, and at a marginal cost of $15,000. That would mean he owes more than Half-a-Million dollars in cars or refunds.

 
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 10:15:56 AM
Carol! He is BeGGGGGing you! He wants you in his conner! Conner..I wonder if thats a play on words? Bob might be smarter that you think or that was a freudian slip ( sp)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 20, 2012, 10:34:05 AM
I'd just turn that email over to the legal eagles and let them hammer on poor Bob for a while. I don't see an end in sight for this saga until he's in handcuffs.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:33:48 AM
 I got this from Bob regarding the resolution he purposed.

George you have put me in an unreasonable position, Why didnít you leave it along we had it worked out. George, I feel for you. You have got to get some help with your anger. I canít do anything to the dust clears, Iím willing as Iíve always been to help you. You could screw up ice cream man, Stop and let the dust clear.No one will think less of you, might even get your respect back among your peers. I can stop a hell of a ride you are going to go on, that might be out of my control. I wish you well, You have some guys here in our area sleeping with your picture, beside their, bed. Iíll see what I can do for you.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:37:59 AM
My response to his Email.


Bob.

 The position your in YOU put yourself in....Not I! Bob If I recall correctly You offered this and greed to the resolution so now your backing away?

 I need a definitive answer so I'll know how to proceed from here.

 
 On a personal note....Bob I don't care what you or anyone else thinks or cares about .

 
 The help I want for my anger is from you in the form of a resolution to this issue. You want to go back to bussiness as usual? Resolve this and you and the internet will not hear anymore about this matter.

 

 And as far as my peers? You don't know anyone that would be a peer to me.As far as screwing something up? Your ability to do that is self evident . How dare you judge me in that way!

 

 I held the same job for 32 years, own several homes while you live in a TRAILER PARK!

 

 Take care of this or we will have to move forward without you!

 

  George W Payne
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:39:26 AM
response from Bob.


George, you keep your options to yourself and just silently go away and Iíll do it and no on e ever comments again accept matter resolved, Fair enough. You had everything you wanted and made the world put the donít give in to me attitude. We are forgotten people doní;t even know who you are but a form they have to spend an hour to hunt.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:40:29 AM
My response to his Email.



Your talk is cheap...I wanna see actions!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:47:26 AM
His response,


George youíre the best advertisement weíve ever had .I own it and 5 others in my mothers name thanks to you. George, simple I 'will put you at your word. I will run some 5 day auctions and as long as your fake bidders and you calm down, I Ďall believe you. That is how this goes. Last time I talk to you for 5 days. BOB
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:48:24 AM
My response,

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you resolve this first!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:51:24 AM
another unintelligible response from Bob.


You are threesome I want to see action everyone's watching you George, You are not even paying attention to the real auctions your so distracted.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 11:51:59 AM
Your guess is as good as mine what this means...


Look under ford and mercury and porches
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 20, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
How about just a seller search?

Reported 'em all under WinstonCup2Watch.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 20, 2012, 12:48:15 PM
I got this from Bob regarding the resolution he purposed.

George you have put me in an unreasonable position, Why didnít you leave it along we had it worked out. George, I feel for you. You have got to get some help with your anger. I canít do anything to the dust clears, Iím willing as Iíve always been to help you. You could screw up ice cream man, Stop and let the dust clear.No one will think less of you, might even get your respect back among your peers. I can stop a hell of a ride you are going to go on, that might be out of my control. I wish you well, You have some guys here in our area sleeping with your picture, beside their, bed. Iíll see what I can do for you.
 



that's a threat isn't it?   

I'd just turn that email over to the legal eagles and let them hammer on poor Bob for a while. I don't see an end in sight for this saga until he's in handcuffs.

I agree.  It's almost not fun to even follow this anymore.  It just keeps going in circles.  Bob needs to be put in cuffs and thrown in prison.  Not jail, prison.  That's where I'd love to know he'd be dying at.  How can he be put there?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
This just in from Bob......

George, have you ever heard the term Line, hook, and sinker. You should have not messed with these guys. Youíve gave me a challenge, morally right or fight, dirty you have your last chance to decide. Iím sure your attorney has advised you of the slander youíve got caught up in which, has nothing to do with me.  You canít slander the people you did with out repercussion, That is almost out of my control.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 01:44:49 PM
More STUFF from Bob...

George , Iíll be frank with you, When they trapped you they had everyone in the world email you cost them finical loss and refunds on their builds itís quite agile and oneís an attorney were you not aware what was going on.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 01:45:42 PM
and more....


You can call it a draw or fall.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 01:46:47 PM

and another

There was 1.00 transaction of certain companies on your behalf, George, stop or it gets nasty.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 01:47:51 PM
and another....


Georgee check who the phone numbers you put on rip off .report .com belong and look who winstoncup2watch is, look who owns common man hotrods do better research. Attorneys were the last people you should have slandered.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 01:48:36 PM
and another....


Remember, George IP addresses donít lie in court.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 20, 2012, 01:49:34 PM
Id say your starting to get on his nerves
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 02:40:46 PM
So now Bob has several T/A's on Ebay that he "portrays" as being done but he IS playing by the rules.....no phone numbers.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 20, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
So you still have to have a VIN don't you?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 20, 2012, 02:44:30 PM
where are the links to these legitimate auctions he has?  How will he screw people now?  Does he simply realize that getting ebay to help you if you get screwed is a long bureaucratic process that leads no where so he knows he is safe?  I don't understand his logic in putting up legitimate auctions.  Unless he's contacting bidders and telling those that contact him to reach him on his phone number in their private ebay messages that we will not be able to see.

Good job for getting him frustrated flounder.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 02:46:56 PM
Old skool, I have my car at another restorer's shop. So yes I have the VIN with the car attached to it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 20, 2012, 02:55:48 PM
No I meant his Auctions have to have VINs and Schroeder they can check your messages!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 20, 2012, 03:02:40 PM
where are the links to these legitimate auctions he has?  How will he screw people now?  Does he simply realize that getting ebay to help you if you get screwed is a long bureaucratic process that leads no where so he knows he is safe?  I don't understand his logic in putting up legitimate auctions.  Unless he's contacting bidders and telling those that contact him to his phone number in their private ebay messages that we will not be able to see.

Good job for getting him frustrated flounder.

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/winstoncup2watch/m.html?forcev4exp=true&item=290777761359&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562 (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/winstoncup2watch/m.html?forcev4exp=true&item=290777761359&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 03:06:17 PM
old skool once the car is a certain age (year) Ebay does not require a VIN.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: UnderDog403 on September 20, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
where are the links to these legitimate auctions he has?  How will he screw people now?  Does he simply realize that getting ebay to help you if you get screwed is a long bureaucratic process that leads no where so he knows he is safe?  I don't understand his logic in putting up legitimate auctions.  Unless he's contacting bidders and telling those that contact him to his phone number in their private ebay messages that we will not be able to see.

Good job for getting him frustrated flounder.

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/winstoncup2watch/m.html?forcev4exp=true&item=290777761359&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562 (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/winstoncup2watch/m.html?forcev4exp=true&item=290777761359&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562)


Yep. I was just about to post this
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 20, 2012, 05:15:04 PM
just reported them all for vehicle misrepresentation.  He paints a picture that they're fulley restored.  The first 2-3 on his listing page again show the piles of trans ams sitting around.  Which is the one for auction!?  What a crook. 

Someone above said they can check into his messages to see if he's giving out his phone number, but that doesn't mean they are.  I bet he's somehow still talking to potential buyers outside of ebay's jurisdiction.  Again though, even when you're in ebay's jurisdiction they don't do crap to help you...kinda like the cops in Toledo, Ohio....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 20, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
If he currently has 35 victims, then how did he have time to finish 5 additional cars?  These don't belong to someone already?  Doesn't make much sense to me.  I hope the NC AG's office sees these too.

I thought he was trying to say these were some attorney's account.  Is he mixing his lies up again?

The restoguru7881 has two more auctions going too.

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/restoguru7881/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=50&_sop=1
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: ponchonutty on September 20, 2012, 06:34:11 PM
OMG, I love the silver '79 too except when I saw how many short cuts where taken when they painted it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 20, 2012, 08:12:43 PM
I got this from Bob regarding the resolution he purposed.

George you have put me in an unreasonable position, Why didnít you leave it along we had it worked out. George, I feel for you. You have got to get some help with your anger. I canít do anything to the dust clears, Iím willing as Iíve always been to help you. You could screw up ice cream man, Stop and let the dust clear.No one will think less of you, might even get your respect back among your peers. I can stop a hell of a ride you are going to go on, that might be out of my control. I wish you well, You have some guys here in our area sleeping with your picture, beside their, bed. Iíll see what I can do for you.

^^^
I haven't got a freaking clue what's bobs babbling about lol

"you have some guys sleeping with your picture beside there bed "
^^ what is this , Deliverance? Now I'm understanding the picture posted with them playing banjos



Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 08:23:02 PM
Rain,

 I think decifered it means............squeal piggy!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 20, 2012, 08:26:56 PM
Rain,

 I think decifered it means............squeal piggy!
LOL.
 I wish someone still had that picture of there shop when they were all standing there playing banjos . Anyone have it ?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 20, 2012, 09:11:27 PM
If you're interested in a 1977 SE I found one on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-1977-Trans-Am-T-Top-Great-Ride-/290777761359?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b3b4864f (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-1977-Trans-Am-T-Top-Great-Ride-/290777761359?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b3b4864f)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 20, 2012, 09:30:51 PM
Has to be a different company JupiterBandit. That car is finished, it says so in the add. Certainly if that was our friend he would be offering that car to one of the clients that are due a car or a refund. ::)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 20, 2012, 09:38:05 PM
Sad but true!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 20, 2012, 10:51:36 PM
Jupiter I keep telling you that you've been standing too close to that sign! LOL

 Thanks for trying to put a happy face on this!

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on September 21, 2012, 12:18:40 AM
when i read some of bobs emails i cant help but think of jack nicholson at the typewriter in "shining"



(http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/jack-nicholson/jack-nicholson-20070409-237303.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 21, 2012, 12:31:31 AM
Omg Jeff , now that's funny ^^^
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 21, 2012, 07:48:15 AM
when i read some of bobs emails i cant help but think of jack nicholson at the typewriter in "shining"



(http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/jack-nicholson/jack-nicholson-20070409-237303.jpg)

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA lol HILARIOUS! ahahahhaha
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 21, 2012, 08:07:13 AM
Is it just me or can you see Slob I mean Bob in the reflection of the Black Car?  Oh wait if he painted it there is NO way you could see a Reflection!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 21, 2012, 08:37:26 AM
Has to be a different company JupiterBandit. That car is finished, it says so in the add. Certainly if that was our friend he would be offering that car to one of the clients that are due a car or a refund. ::)

Actually, that's Bob's "contractor". The ad is reworded now so it doesn't include a phone number. But its the same guy who's been trying to sell off Bob's "builds" to "help" a few "customers" out. All per the lovely email Flounder received via Ebay. And yes, I reported each and every one of those auctions for no VIN/listing practices.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 21, 2012, 09:03:49 AM
Actually Ebay allows older cars on it's site without a VIN. I wish I had  several Ebay accounts  because if  did I would wait til the last day and make a winning bid then just not pay the jerk.  I suspect from Bob's words he has already gotten a dose of that.                                           
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 22, 2012, 01:45:06 AM
Add about 40 POUNDS!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on September 22, 2012, 05:38:15 PM
His response,


George youíre the best advertisement weíve ever had .I own it and 5 others in my mothers name thanks to you. George, simple I 'will put you at your word. I will run some 5 day auctions and as long as your fake bidders and you calm down, I Ďall believe you. That is how this goes. Last time I talk to you for 5 days. BOB

Didn't he say in a earlier email that he was liquidating items to come up with money to continue builds until he finds another source of income to do so? Is this an admission (bolded line above) that he got his assets out of his name in the event of a lawsuit? Hope you kept the email.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 22, 2012, 06:44:47 PM
Sure did
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 23, 2012, 08:47:53 AM
someone else after them now or is it someone here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-Smokey-Bandit-/150905743224?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2322aee778
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 23, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
Well it looks like there are plenty of us out there! Unfortunately!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 23, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
That disgruntled guy on Ebay now has Bob's "contractor mad at him too!

  See Q and A below:

  What the hell are you selling. It looks like you've used this as a platform to air a grievence. Well buddy, you have no grievence with me. I have never had any business with you. Get my name off your stupid auction. I already have a slander suit, defamation of character, and intent to do harm suits pending for another fool that tried to link me. Do you want the same? Pull your auction with my name in it or I will make this my second job.

 and his response:

A:   Dear Robert McElreath with your "girlfriend" Ericka Kampert . Ironically we know each other very well . You live in trailer park on 22 & 25 Ward ln. in Fairview , N.C. Since your suspension in eBay has been ended , now you use another ID's "winstoncup2watch" and "restoguru7881" , trying to screw another TransAm lovers . Do not worry . Thanks to my auction , I collected from readers/responders enough evidence to complete my formal complain , which is presented to the North Carolina Attorney General Office and your local Police detective , who are building criminal case against you already . Soon you will have not only desires to quit your "second job" , but also the only one , which for years and under "buildabandit" , or "pontiacpros" , allowed you to rob huge amount of money from many people . You see - that kind of life can not provide future's success . It is short lived misery , which is authorized only by your stupidity and greed . You were walking on the very thin line and without proper senses to keep your balance , YOUR FAILURE is guarantied . That's the only matter of time Miscalculated deals and ruthless actions eventually will take the sudden turn . Instead repaying me my losses , you decided to play uneven game and your little brain counted on forgiveness or blended in time forgetfulness . Now I have an upper-hand over your thievery . I promised you , that I will never forgive you , what you've done to me . This was and still remain my highest priority to protect any future victims . I gave you chances to return stolen money from me and it was the only , what I expected . Now you might still not comprehend magnitude and impact of everybody's actions against you , but it's also an extension to the past and present anger , which you created . You have not many option anymore . You'll eat your rusty TransAms and this will remind you , that in society , tired of gangsters like you , everybody's life should be driven by law and fairness
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 23, 2012, 11:38:20 PM
Bob must have sold a car to the ayatollah! 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 24, 2012, 12:57:09 PM
Jesus where did this come from.  I feel a big break in this case is going to happen soon.  I cant wait for the day i open this thread and find out the conclusion to Bob the bandit
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 24, 2012, 01:06:21 PM
I copied this off the Q&A that was below this Ebay AD which has since been taken down.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on September 24, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
that guy seems to speak (write) bobs language, more power to him
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 24, 2012, 03:35:02 PM
that guy seems to speak (write) bobs language, more power to him

Perhaps Bob was stupid enough to scam himself through EBAY and now he is trying to get his money back
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 25, 2012, 08:21:59 AM
The ayatollah has struck again.

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150909990533#v4-39
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 25, 2012, 08:36:49 AM
Yeah I hope he posts my comments on his auction. I was helpful ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 25, 2012, 08:43:35 AM
Yeah I'm sure he will! If anybody here wants to ask a question I'm sure he will post it!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 25, 2012, 09:09:40 AM

A:   Dear Robert McElreath with your "girlfriend" Ericka Kampert . Ironically we know each other very well . You live in trailer park on 22 & 25 Ward ln. in Fairview , N.C. Since your suspension in eBay has been ended , now you use another ID's "winstoncup2watch" and "restoguru7881" , trying to screw another TransAm lovers . Do not worry . Thanks to my auction , I collected from readers/responders enough evidence to complete my formal complain , which is presented to the North Carolina Attorney General Office and your local Police detective , who are building criminal case against you already . Soon you will have not only desires to quit your "second job" , but also the only one , which for years and under "buildabandit" , or "pontiacpros" , allowed you to rob huge amount of money from many people . You see - that kind of life can not provide future's success . It is short lived misery , which is authorized only by your stupidity and greed . You were walking on the very thin line and without proper senses to keep your balance , YOUR FAILURE is guarantied . That's the only matter of time Miscalculated deals and ruthless actions eventually will take the sudden turn . Instead repaying me my losses , you decided to play uneven game and your little brain counted on forgiveness or blended in time forgetfulness . Now I have an upper-hand over your thievery . I promised you , that I will never forgive you , what you've done to me . This was and still remain my highest priority to protect any future victims . I gave you chances to return stolen money from me and it was the only , what I expected . Now you might still not comprehend magnitude and impact of everybody's actions against you , but it's also an extension to the past and present anger , which you created . You have not many option anymore . You'll eat your rusty TransAms and this will remind you , that in society , tired of gangsters like you , everybody's life should be driven by law and fairness

jaw-dropping amazingness, and yes, he even included dozens of grammar mistakes and mis-spellings to be on Bob's level.  This goes to show there may be other "resistance groups" out there trying to end this criminal's hay-day.  It's pathetic how he uses the law against itself to make profits.  I hope he is thrown in prison to rot and is taken from behind time and time again, day after day, after day.  I would sleep much better knowing he got what he deserved, 100 fold.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobspacin80ta on September 25, 2012, 09:44:46 AM
Hey at least we know somebody got a car out of them! Lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 25, 2012, 09:50:47 AM
Bob - Flounder got his. Just some reassembly required ;D

That and more than likely several thousand dollars to repair what Bob "fixed".
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on September 25, 2012, 11:59:25 AM
The ayatollah has struck again.

  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150909990533#v4-39

REMOVED!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 25, 2012, 12:00:07 PM
Well Ebay pulled that ad again!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 25, 2012, 01:17:57 PM
he has a price on the item.  Why are they pulling it?  Is bob telling on them or something?  ebay is a bunch of crooks.  They have had dozens of reports on this guy and still defend him and his rights.  To date they have done nothing in repercussion of Bob's actions except help him.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 25, 2012, 01:40:37 PM
Ok hear me out on this...

Bandit Bob says that Flounder took something Hook, Line & Sinker.

Bandit Bob says that Flounder is his best advertisement possible.

Ebay ad comes up stating Bob's a POS.

We all pipe in with our comments on Bob thus getting him MORE publicity.

New ebay ID = Bob ??

Just the cynic in me kicking in again.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 25, 2012, 02:09:58 PM
brian, your not too far from the truth . Bob and a few others claims that there are "others" out there that are working in concert with Bob on these builds,Hence the new Ebay screen names.

 On another note, Bob now has a blemish on TurtleVhare ( a negative ) so he probably won't be useing that name anymore. So....he has to resort to a new identity. What better way to do that then hide behind somebody elses skirt!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 25, 2012, 02:42:43 PM
wait so you guys think the guy that just posted that rusty piece of crap saying that bob was a loser is Bob?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 25, 2012, 03:04:14 PM
That's not what I said. I'm saying Bob is operating in the shadows behind the new screen names that have popped up recently. His Screen name (turtleVhare) is dirt so he has to find a new identity. What better way to do that then to bring in a new "partner in crime" to be the front man!

 That guy that had his Ebay ads pulled is legit. I'm pretty sure he has a genuine gripe with Bob the Bandit!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 25, 2012, 03:08:13 PM
Jgodar would you care to comment? Afterall there is very little negativity towards Bob with the facebook page you and Mr.Smith and Jcerrone have created.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 25, 2012, 03:33:49 PM
It only makes since that you chime in here, you started this thread and your car is still with Bob the bandit so don't you have a few words on this subject?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 12:21:22 AM
This just came in my Email from Bob the Bandit.

FROM: Erica
TO: GEORGE PAYNE

You know what Iím going to let the world know , that youíre a child molester and Iíll not hide the fact for you any longer George.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 12:25:26 AM
and then this Email came next.




FROM: Erica
TO: GEORGE PAYNE

Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:04 AM
 

George, you must keep the people that are irritate with you away from my family , I canít take your hate mail any more. You have NC and 4 surrounding states that want you and your family dead. Please for your family stop this < I think it may be to late. I will help you with the cost of some body guards for your family.
 

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on September 26, 2012, 12:58:16 AM
OMG I think he's finally snapped!



Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on September 26, 2012, 08:20:29 AM
uhhhh... hmmmm..   I would call that a threat.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 26, 2012, 08:44:31 AM
uhhhh... hmmmm..   I would call that a threat.

I would have to agree with you Jim.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 26, 2012, 09:16:22 AM
and then this Email came next.




FROM: Erica
TO: GEORGE PAYNE

Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:04 AM
 

George, you must keep the people that are irritate with you away from my family , I canít take your hate mail any more. You have NC and 4 surrounding states that want you and your family dead. Please for your family stop this < I think it may be to late. I will help you with the cost of some body guards for your family.
 



Sounds like is time to get the FBI involved
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 26, 2012, 11:06:36 AM
This just came in my Email from Bob the Bandit.

FROM: Erica
TO: GEORGE PAYNE

You know what Iím going to let the world know , that youíre a child molester and Iíll not hide the fact for you any longer George.
 



Whose slandering who?  What trailer trash.  It's obvious that's a threat.  They've been coming to you for awhile now though Flounder.  That's just the most blatant one.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 26, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
So they slandered you by calling you a child molester and threatened your life. Turn this over to your attorney. I see more money owed to you than just the car.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 11:38:04 AM
Question to this forum:

 What do you think he means by " You have NC and 4 surrounding states that want you and your family dead." Do you think he is telling his "CUSTOMERS" that it's MY fault.....not his. That they are NOT getting their cars?

 Just curious.

 By the way, I'D still like to see JGODAR to comment on this thread. I see that he reads this thread, He started this thread, He and others have made a face bookpage ( build a bandit/facebook) ,for those that care to look, that document their builds  with Bob the Bandit and there is very little negativety regarding ANY aspect of what's happene  and how they got to where they are now.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 26, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
Well, I've been following this thread for awhile. I only noticed 2 people on here pissed. TAWidow and Flounder55. I would of thought to of seen more. According to the guy who started this thread Jgodar, he seems to be happy with Bob the Bandit and so does Eli Smith. So now I am confused. Is Bob actually trying to save his business and build cars? or is he just robbing 20 or so people and only 2 are mad? I don't know what to think.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 26, 2012, 01:07:25 PM
Well, I've been following this thread for awhile. I only noticed 2 people on here pissed. TAWidow and Flounder55. I would of thought to of seen more. According to the guy who started this thread Jgodar, he seems to be happy with Bob the Bandit and so does Eli Smith. So now I am confused. Is Bob actually trying to save his business and build cars? or is he just robbing 20 or so people and only 2 are mad? I don't know what to think.

 In a nutshell, Bob has victimized/scammed lots of victims, and I am sure all are not 78TA members. Godar and Smith have "gone to bed" with Bob in an effort to at least get some sort of a finished product/car. In my opinion, it makes them as responsible (co conspirators?) as Bob for any recent unknowing souls who have fallen victim to this scheme, for their benefit. Godar is actively publishing positive things about Bob in an effort to "help Bob and his business" while Smith is "alleged" to be a member of some sort of law enforcement, and has been guiding/assisting Bob on some of his "legal aspects" .

  I have it on good authority that they both think Bob is a "changed man" but when I look at Bobs behavior as of late, I sure don't see it.

  I about bet Bob has/will come to them asking for more $$ to complete their cars...and I am sure its all Flounders fault..lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 01:12:47 PM
Jupiter ...your right. I'm glad your trying to think this through on your own. I guess I would only add this. Bob needs good PR. JGODAR has experience in building WEB PAGES. SMITH is a FEDERAL EMPLOYEE. They HAVE a VESTED interest in seeing their cars done and not spending money to sue someone that does not have sufficient assets for them to recover their losses.

   TA widow's husband died JUST after giving BOB a LARGE sum of money and now BOB wants to pull some contractual BS to keep from giving her the money owed to her. He has already sent her 2K so he acknowledges he owes the money.

 As for me....after 19 months of waiting I had had enough. Jupiter I have the names of over 6 other's not mentioned that Bob owes builds or money to.

 To me.....common sense would dictate that I would try to keep builds to a MANAGEABLE level to deliver a quality product.

 And Jupiter........I have invited JGODAR to comment...let's hear the other side of the story. He is a member here, HE started this thread. I WANT him to have equal time to state what he feels is pertinent in this matter.

 Jupiter....you keep that open mind! I applaud you for that!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 26, 2012, 01:28:30 PM
wait so you guys think the guy that just posted that rusty piece of crap saying that bob was a loser is Bob?

I'm just saying that if Bob is trying to build a case against anyone, what's the quickest way to get evidence than to put up a fake ad and gain all sorts of statements. And its a very quick way to get a bunch of people over to your website to see exactly what you're offering up.

Again, it's the cynic in me but to me, with this new guy posting with the same verbage as Bob, it's raising flags. Just saying, be careful what you post over on Ebay. My comments were generic enough that I *should* be safe should something come of all this.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 26, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
Hey George! I am here.. not sure what to say or where to begin.. but as we have talked many times, you have a good grasp on my ideas/opinion on all of this but did not want anyone to think I am hiding .

Just want the best car I can get as I paid for it too... what do you want me to comment on exactly?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 26, 2012, 02:05:21 PM
jgodar's car looks like it is coming along on the facebook page. It may all be happening because of flounder. who knows had he not stepped in what the outcome would have been. The car also looks much different than what Flounder received by his pics, not just the fact it wasn't finished, but the quality of paint, broken interior pieces, etc... Congratulations Jgodar, you may be the exception to the experiences that others have suffered.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
Hey Joe,

 Glad you decided to chime in.... Your right, we have talked on the phone several times and you have tried to help me come to a resolution with Bob which we BOTH agreed was fair.

  I guess since you started this thread you would chime in from time to time give your story as to how your car is coming along. I realize  that there is alot of negative comments regarding Bob on this site and since you've had a more POSITIVE experience than I you might want to share it with the rest of the guys and girls on this site. I know Jupiter would like to hear your side.

 Joe I'm really glad that you felt I stated you position correctly because sometimes thing get miscontruded.

  Guys keep complaining that no one that still has a car with Bob will speak up on his behalf and your the only one I know on this site that still has positive contact with Bob.

   So the floor is yours my friend ( and I genuinely mean that) I'm sure many people on this site want to hear something good and are tire of my rants!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 26, 2012, 03:21:24 PM
Well, as we have spoke many times on the phone, a few months ago we found ourselves in the same spot. Both ordered cars from Bob and had heard nothing for months. You placing your order before me.

I did contact the NC AG and others wondering what my options where. Being a small business guy my whole life, I knew suing really is not a great way to go.

Long story short, I was able to make contact with Bob. I did email him many times about my build and not being happy at all. I started some sites for my car and build and made it clear I was ready to post my car online. I told him I would be 100% honest and to date I have been. He has responded well to having his builds being posted online by a 3rd party (me) as he does not have much of a website.

I did visit his shop on Sept 14 to see my car and about 8 others in some stage of being built. I have decided to work with Bob to get the best car I can get from him. I feel he is doing the best he can at this point to get my car done and many others. I feel he is really putting a good deal of time into getting me a really nice car.

I can not answer questions that only he can answer. I am not part of his business in any way. Just a customer, like you all. So I do not know why so many others are not happy etc.

I stayed off here for some time as I had no idea how this was going to go... I was planning on posting once I had my car in my driveway but you asked me to come on now..

HERE IS MY OPINION: When the s#^* hits the fan, you can decide how to handle it. I went one way, TAWIDOW and George went another. (I continue to talk to Bob, almost daily about trying to correct these 2 situations. ) I do want the best for anyone here. He is a small business man that is building cars and will continue to build cars. Not everything you see on here or anywhere online is the truth. Parts may be true, then it gets here online and it takes a life of its own. I am confident that anyone that will work with Bob, will get what they need, either a refund or car. Hammering him online or in person is the last thing I would do. Just my opinion. It is like killing the golden goose and asking where the eggs went..I can only tell you what happened to me and how I handled it and how it is going for me so far.. Once my car is done, I can tell you if I am happy or not..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 26, 2012, 03:30:19 PM
On a lighter note, I just did read solargolds comment... I think I may have to agree! I think when Flounder would communicate with Bob, it did not go so well, so when I spoke with Bob and had a different tone with him, he reacted to me better because he had just dealt with George! So thanks George! LOL...

here is my build as of Sept 14... of course love to hear any constructive comments...

http://build-a-bandit.com/my-build-pics/

4-speed Tran and Motor due in next week..

thanks
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 26, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
of course love to hear any constructive comments...

http://build-a-bandit.com/my-build-pics

thanks

Engine compartment looks rough, looks like its just sprayed black with out anything really being properly prepped, fender jambs look rough as well, they should be shiny black like the outside of the car. gold door panel birds are missing,  upper metal dash should be camel tan like the dash pad, and dash cap is already lifting on the edges. paint appears much nicer then flounders car, but let it bake in the sun for a week or so before you get it to see if it shrinks and shows bodywork and/or cracks in the bumpers.

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
Thank you Joe, and your welcome. I really want you get what paid for. Maybe Bob over promised to appease people like me. My BIGGEST gripe with Bob was not being honest with his assessment of build times and lack of communication. Now..........he has accused me of being a child molester and stated that there are people out there that want me and my family dead.

 That crosses the line!

 Hope that your car comes together quickly. My only concern at this point is how many new "victims" customers are being developed to further your build.....I hope none! And that is where my efforts have been focused. Does he really need to take on new projects when he has 35 ( his words) customers that need what they paid for? As you and I have discussed " we can't save the world" but I'd really hate to see anyone else go through what ( in the beginning) you and I went through.

 Again thanks for chimeing in , I know you only want a positive outcome for EVERYONE that is a customer of Bob's and I concur !

  Joe , good luck my friend and I promise...WE WILL HAVE THAT BEER WE TALKED  ABOUT !
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 26, 2012, 04:06:40 PM
I deleted my original post and decide to write this.

Flounder55, Keep up the good work. There is absolutely nothing wrong with reporting on your experience.

JGodar, Congrats to be able to get a car out of build a bandit. You are not a conspirator. You paid and you are just working to get what you paid for. If Bob has to rob others to replace the money he mis-managed of yours than that is between Bob and his victim.

Future Victims, You should of did your home work and saw Flounder55's and TAwisows reviews.

Happy Customers, enjoy your cars!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 04:24:44 PM
See Joe......this is a classic case of " YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW". I would never try to tell you how to build a website.

 There are guys...HERE  that CAN give you CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on your build. Most of the guys on facebook are rookies to this like you and I and think " yeah, that's shiney , it looks good!) but that's not all ways the case and I'm just now finding that out!

 There guys on this site that can tell you (what you might think looks good) that is mediocre at best. Please use this valuable tool to help yourself with Bob and your build. Know EXACTLY what your getting BEFORE it leaves Bob's shop so that you'll get the best possible build that you can.

 Midyear, Eroc and few other on this site really know these cars inside and out.......take advantage of that expertise! It's free!

 Joe, don't be a stranger on this site!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 04:31:03 PM
And spend the money to have your car professionally inspected by an expert, it will help on several fronts. Possible Flaws, valuation, and insurance. mDon't wait till it leaves the lot.

Eroc offered to inspect my car for me...look him up. I think he lives in MD.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 26, 2012, 04:52:54 PM
Thanks guys.. I do want and appreciate the feedback.. I will use it, believe me. Of course the car is not done, but now is the time to hear what it needs. That is the main reason I joined here a while back.. to get feedback on these cars as they are being built.. then everything kinda went sideways if you know what I mean..I am not a car expert, by any means so I do need and appreciate the feedback.

I have had MANY of Bob's customers contact me thru my other sites. By phone and email. The best advice I can give anyone that has a build with him now, is to communicate with him. Go visit him. Get in front of him so he knows who you are. Again, I am not making any excuses for his past or current actions, just giving advice on what I think is the best way to protect your investment with him IF you have already paid him.

We all live and learn. Trust me when I tell you, I am still learning!

George, I like BLUE MOON and hope to have one with you soon!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 26, 2012, 08:47:59 PM
Hey Joe since you have decided to face the mob I'm here to support you. To those of you who don't know me I'm one of the three amigo's or stooges depending who you ask. Flounder will probably go with the latter. He will tell you that I've lost my mind, don't know what I'm talking about, I'm out in left field, I have mush for brains, and need a muzzle. Anyway, my car is the Cerrone build on B-A-B.com if anyone wants to see it. In short, I've had a civil relationship with Bob during my build and have made good friend's with Joe and Eli along the way.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 09:10:46 PM
Jay! Glad to hear from you! Just to set the record straight I invited Joe to speak here. I wanted 78ta to hear from someone I knew to be level headed.

  Yes Jay I did say " you don't know what your talking about and I stand by that statement. You implied that the reason my paint job was soooo bad was because I caused Bob to rush it because I had set an unrealistic deadline when in fact Bob suggested that deadline. So in that regard you DID not know what you were talking about.
 I also suggested you had mush for brains because you kept making excuses for Bob instead of just saying I'm not sure why this is happening .....Like Joe did.

 If I recall you are also one of the facebook originals that keeps saying ....Yeah..it looks good! Now if you've read some comments of people that ARE knowledgable with T/A's they DO have concerns with Joe's car.

 But like myself,Joe and Eli you are a rookie as to what a build is supposed to look like. I'm sure Joe appreciates your support but he does not need it. He was not attacked my the "MOB" as you put it.

 If I were you I'd watch and listen and ask meaningful questions. It might help the quality of your build as well.

   Now that your here, What was it you wanted to tell me about Brett Campbell that you tried to tell me on Facebook. I'm sure he'd love to hear it!

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 26, 2012, 09:26:47 PM
That matter for Brett is in open litigation as we speak, so probably not a good idea to discuss for either party till it's resolved.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
Why not? ..You brought it up on facebook. Now you don't want to talk about it?

Oh and here is your statement...at least one of them that I took exception to.

Jay says:

 September 8, 2012 at 11:38 pm

The car was obviously behind schedule. My point being demanding the car in weeks was not a reasonable deadline for completion so things were rushed and or skipped in a panic to try to complete. That is what I was suggesting. I am truly sorry for your loss. I think Bob is trying to salvage his relationship with his current builds and trying to pay people back who have requested refunds as extra money comes available. Itís going to take time
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 09:36:47 PM
And Jay....this is the other statement you made on Facebook and my response that I took exception to.




Jay says:

 August 11, 2012 at 3:50 am

Further more, what do you expect on a $15,000.00 build. I and probably others didnít really know at the time but to get a decent restoration itís going to cost around $30,000.00. Yeah he was way behind on your build, but you pushed him to have it done in 60 days so he slapped together as fast as he could and it shows. This situation sucks for everyone involved but holding out some hope that heíll see the error of his ways and most of us getting a car or money is better than having him shut down and nobody getting anything.

Reply



Flounder55 says:

 August 11, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Jay, I had the motor built elsewhere at a 4500 dollar exspense to me.
 Also I expected what Bob promised on his ad ..total restorationÖ..Those are HIS WORDS ..not mine.
 
The build was promised to take 10 months, I gave him 12Öwe were going on 19 months. Thatís too long, waaaay too long!
 
Wake up Jay I had 20 K in this. I know your desparate but you need to realize your best bet now is to file a complaint with the NC AG! Period!
 
Donít defend this guy! He put on 2 different year tail light lenses, the paint was bad, there was overspray on the windowsÖ.thatís just lazy!
 
Jay, you not gonna get a thing from this guy, face it
 
I know a guy who got his car and it had FINGERPRINTS in the paint as well as rust.
 
I know another guy who took his car to a car wash and it went in Black and all the paint washed off and it came out grey!
 
Explain that! these were supposed to be FINNISHED cars!

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 26, 2012, 09:42:49 PM
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: ponchonutty on September 26, 2012, 09:47:51 PM
I don't want to get into the middle of this but jgodar, I'd be a little upset with some simple things they've messed up.  That dash would drive me nuts!!!!!  Why did he spray the metal black????  The inner fenders and event the dash is an easy fix but just curious why it is the way it is???
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 09:49:10 PM
That's all you have to say?  I would have expected more. Anyway, I'll let this go unless you want to defend Bob for calling me a child molester.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
See Jay.......watch ,read and take this in......these guys KNOW what a T/A is SUPPOSED to look like. It might help you with your BUILD A BANDIT car!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 26, 2012, 10:59:10 PM
Wow, I leave for vacation for a couple of days and log on to find that families are threatened?  This guy is pure nuts.  I hope that Flounder has some sort of security system in his house and he's contacted his local police and Bob's.  There's nothing funny about that threat.  I don't care what tone of voice anyone uses when talking to this crook, they don't deserve to have their family threatened. 

I chose to confront Bob (by asking for a refund after being ignored for nearly 2 months) simply because there was no other choice.  What should I have done differently, Joe???  He refused ALL contact.  There was no e-mailing him or calling him.  I went to the shop to talk with him about the refund and he wasn't there.  Then he lied about it to everyone nearly 1 1/2 months later saying I strong armed his underage stepson.  WTF???  Then he lied about his nonexistent 90 day policy.  I haven't lied to anyone about what he's done to me.  The only mistruths out there are on his part.  How can any of what he says be taken as the truth???  I think you guys that are playing along with him are fooling yourselves.  I just can't see how any rational person can see what he's doing to everyone else and somehow think that they're going to be different.  There might be only 2 people on here that are speaking up, but I've spoken with 6 others as well.  Then there were the 14 that seemed to have something going on to quietly try to get their money/cars out of him.  He doesn't have them!  At least not all of them.

I sure hope the other e-bay guy is legit.  It sure would be nice if the authorities would step in to make this right soon.  I haven't been waiting nearly as long as all of you and I'm fed up.  The most aggravating thing is that he keeps doing it to more and more people.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 26, 2012, 11:02:47 PM
Thanks Flounder, I don't claim to know everything about the 2nd gen, bird. I've owned a few but still learning. Since we all love these cars I'll try to post a  few pics of one I currently own.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 26, 2012, 11:10:49 PM
Pics, tomorrow, too many kb's
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 26, 2012, 11:19:07 PM
Can't understand why Jay did not want to comment here on Hitman when he offered this on Facebook.

Jay says:

 August 11, 2012 at 5:22 pm

Just so you know. I have some info. for you on Brett, the guy who runs Hitmanís T/A web site that you post on all the time. I know a guy personally who got taken by Brett on a T/A restoration. He waited over 4 yrs. to get an unfinished 78 Bandit clone. He had it trailered to his home. Itís in the same stage as yours but has the decals on it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 27, 2012, 07:10:13 AM
Get your facts straight George. It wasn't on facebook, I made that statement on B-A-B.com.Like I said before, I'm here for Joe and our experience with Bob thus far. You can come after me all you want as long as it makes you feel better!!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on September 27, 2012, 08:04:16 AM
Question to this forum:

 What do you think he means by " You have NC and 4 surrounding states that want you and your family dead." Do you think he is telling his "CUSTOMERS" that it's MY fault.....not his. That they are NOT getting their cars?

 Just curious.

 By the way, I'D still like to see JGODAR to comment on this thread. I see that he reads this thread, He started this thread, He and others have made a face bookpage ( build a bandit/facebook) ,for those that care to look, that document their builds  with Bob the Bandit and there is very little negativety regarding ANY aspect of what's happene  and how they got to where they are now.

I think you hit the nail on the head with your analysis of the 4 surrounding states states comment he made.  Could it be that JGodar is a troll?  I posted on his facebook awhile ago saying he was naive for thinking he was going to get a good quality car from Blob.  He did not respond.  He's pry a troll or Bob has made some stupid under-handed deal that he will actually make a car for him if he shuts up on here and keeps giving positive feedback on the internet.  Who knows.  The guy is so childish and crooked you never know what he'll pull.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 27, 2012, 08:09:04 AM
The facts are..that I pull that statement after I went to  build a bandit/facebook reviews. I'm not try to come AFTER you.
 There just needs to be some accountability from Bob,You and anybody that defends MR. McElreath!

  I'll ask you the same question I asked Joe. When you responded to Bob's ad were you looking for a ok T/A? A Just SO-SO T/A? a mediocre T/A? HELL NO you responded to an ad that said FULLY RESTORED T/A! JAY, your not gonna get what you paid for.In  a few years( or sooner) your build is gonna start falling apart. Why? Because you don't know any better and Bob counts on that,Hell he might not even know any better.
 There are ALOT of little details that go into building these cars  CORRECTLY but you don't know that and Bob is counting on it!

 Just from the pictures Joe produced there have been guys on here that have commented on some errors in the build. Your NOT gonna get that on facebook. Just alot of slaps on the back and high fives and misconstructed cars!

  And if you say something one place and are not MAN enough to admit it in another well yeah I take exception to that too.
 Now here's one thing bet you WON'T do. Bring pictures of your build here let the guys on this site look it over and point out any flaws if there are any then go back to Mr. McElreath and ask him to correct them. Your gonna start pissing him off REAL quick!
 But....you wanna keep Bob happy sooooo you'll probably just let it go. You paid him the money but now HE has you by the balls! 
  There's something wrong with that.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 27, 2012, 08:12:25 AM
Hey guys lets keep this civil shall we? Decaying into a mudslinging fest with personal attacks isn't going to do anyone any good. All it's going to do is get this thread locked or moved out of the public eye.

Keep on point with this being about BAB experiences.


As for the comments on a 15k build...It should be darn near perfect. Not paint slapped over top of bondo hiding rust. Especially when the owner states these are full frame off restorations and when the customer gets their car back, its far from it. Bob's own words were that Flounder's car was perfect and almost finished. Would you personally call his car perfect or almost finished? I certainly wouldn't and I'd be thoroughly PO'd if I had paid that much cash for a car that was a bondo bucket. From the (2) examples that have made it out into the wild, that's exactly what you're getting. If you count the guy that's posting up on Ebay there's another car that's got Bob's fingerprints all over it so there's (3) examples. Count another customer on Ebay that's posted his car up a couple times showing the flaws (and a better grasp of the english language) and that's (4) cars that have less than quality craftsmanship. Ohh heck, a student in a High School shop class couldn't do any worse than Bob.

So the numbers are stacking up that these cars, while good intentions, will not be up to the expectations that Bob, not the customer, set.

For everyone's sake, I hope Bob refunds the money he's already admitted to owing TAWidow, actually burries his pride (and stops the threats - which btw: I'd be calling out the Po-Po on his butt asap for making threats) to provide Flounder the parts he's duly owed, and everyone that has a contract with him actually gets it settled in an expedient manner. After that point, I'd hope he'd crawl back under the rock he came out of.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 27, 2012, 08:26:30 AM
Thank you Brian, I'm guilty of the mudslinging but I have a problem with people that defend Bob, I understand working with him because your trying to make the best out of a bad situation but DONT DEFEND him.

 Guys, it's clear these guys on facebook could use some constructive critiqueing of their builds maybe some of you can help them. I ,Joe,Jay,ELI and even Bob don't know what's correct but some of you guys do! Joe was receptive to the feedback maybe Jay and Eli will be as well.
 Brian, your right and I apologize. This site should be used to discuss,inform and promote T/A's. NOT for personal tirades and bashings and I KNOW I'm guilty. I apologize to you,Jay,Joe and anybody that reads this thread.

    George W Payne
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 27, 2012, 08:29:10 AM
Oh...and the Po Po has been notified of the death threat and the child molestation accusation.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 27, 2012, 09:10:45 AM
you wanna keep Bob happy sooooo you'll probably just let it go. You paid him the money but now HE has you by the balls! 
  There's something wrong with that.

Sad but True, Bob is clearly in control of the builds, standards, and quality...and in JGodar's case, even changed the year of his build.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 27, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
No problem Flounder.

For those of you who have cars in his shop currently, how about posting some actual High quality and large photos? Not the postage stamp sized stuff over on B-A-B or facebook but High Quality and large photos that you can actually see detail on. Show us that we're wrong with our comments - I'll be happy to eat crow if need be.

Simply host them on Photobucket - it's free so why not - and paste the IMG line into your reply post. We're all photo whores here so how about satisfying the mob??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 27, 2012, 10:55:25 AM
I really want to keep this as straight forward and civil as possible. But since my last post there obviously are a few things I will address.
1. I am not a troll for Bob. George and I have spoken many times, he knows me by now and can vouch for me I am sure.
2. I am not "promoting" Bob. Those are your words, not mine. No where do you see me saying anything close to promoting his business. I am only reporting my build and showing what I am doing on the sites I built. I am truly excited to finally get a Trans Am that I have wanted for years. Thats all.

What is going on here is people are taken back by me and others that are "working" with Bob vs the "lets put him out of business" way of thinking. Like I said in the post yesterday. I picked a different way of getting my car from Bob. Maybe my way is best, maybe not. Time will tell. I hope to have the car soon, and you will know all about it here. George and I have spoken that we can not save the world..nor can I, George or TAWIDOW be responsible for Bobs actions, namely if he gives George or anyone money back, he has to rip someone else off.. we have no control over that..TAWIDOW deserves her money back, just the same as I deserve my car and so on..

Now back to the car itself.

Here are the photos on an album I use. These are pics I took. It was a tight area and way too much sun light that day causing shadows etc. But here they are.

https://picasaweb.google.com/101726205057946612608/GodarBuildTASept142012#

Bob was the first one to point out to me about the front dash being half black and the back trim by the rear speaker deck being an off color. Those are both on the list to be corrected. I hope that happens. The sterring wheel is temporary, not the one I want. just fyi..

I accepted it to be a 1980 by VIN and for him to clone the 79 SE I wanted. When he resurfaced he told me he had this 1980 and it would be the fastest car he could finish for me, so I said OK. No one wants to be thru this any more than me!

Also Bob does not promote an OFF frame restore. As posted here too.. that is not correct.

We, John, Eli and myself are not accepting sub par cars. It is not going like that at all. I will accept and use and appreciate any feedback here to help make this by the best car I can get from Bob.

Maybe I am too optimistic, but I prefer to work with people thru problems and tough times. I was not happy about many things too. But I am just doing the best I can with the cards I am dealt. I was the one that paid Bob up front for the car. I put myself in that situation. No one else. So I accept that and am moving forward to get this over. This car is titled in my name and I have insured it and done everything possible to protect myself.

There are blemishes I found in the paint that does not show up in the pictures. But I am told they will be addressed as the car is finished. Bob is 100% aware of my web presence and he knows this will be a highly photographed and videoed car.  So if that helps me to get a really good car, I am happy about it..

He has delivered some cars recently and he simply does not take pics or promote his own builds.. just not his cup of tea. I have spoken to some of these folks and they are very happy with the cars.. they just go under the radar and are not online here or anywhere for that matter.

So let me know what you see on the car.. I am all ears... really!!

Thanks in advance!

Joe
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 27, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
Hey guys, Joe is NOT a troll! Remember there was a time when some of you called me a troll, I invited Joe to speak here because it's important that the facts be presented..not just my side . AND...Bob NEVER told me that my car was a FRAME OFF restoration. What DID say was that it would be hard for me to tell the difference.


 Now, Joe ( and maybe others) would really like some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback from you guys. Let's bury the hatchet here and try to help.

 I'm NOT taking up for Bob, I'm saying these guys love T/A's just like the rest of us and admit maybe...just MAYBE they could have taken a different avenue to get one but as Joe said they are playing the hand they are dealt.
 Joe has come here in good faith,not to change your minds but for CONSTUCTIVE input so can we not give it to him. I know I could but I don't know enough. You guys do! So what do say........?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 27, 2012, 11:52:34 AM
You don't have a flash on your camera?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 27, 2012, 11:54:45 AM
Thank you for posting some actual photos where details can be seen.

I'll clear up my comment:

Frame off. I'm sorry but he has waffled on this in the past. His own Ebay ads and his own pontiac-pros website have both touted his frame off restorations. I see that he's waffled on this again and changed his verbage to "almost frame off". So unfortunately, that's not incorrect.

As for ripping someone off to pay a previous purchaser...I couldn't sleep at night knowing I caused someone else to be ripped off in order for me to be satisfied. Not the way I was brought up. And to see this guy do just that, yes that will irk a majority of us around here.


As for your car...what's with the leaning seats with used seat covers? This photo here shows it fairly well:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Im7CBaI8jgY/UGReyAd_xsI/AAAAAAAAkoI/u3v69mHlXoc/s910/IMG_8902.JPG)

Notice the uneven coloration of the seat colors in this photo:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sF7jpr1JANQ/UGReraWtYkI/AAAAAAAAknY/A2hj6IezlOw/s910/IMG_8896.JPG)


I'm assuming you've noticed in this photo that the glovebox door is a different color than the dash cap and that the center console has been redyed (rivets are supposed to be black, not camel tan):

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EYJE4lDzD-c/UGRe1V5I25I/AAAAAAAAkoo/DoKhssCYm7c/s910/IMG_8906.JPG)

What's up with the body line in this photo:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tk3w5Rcqj_w/UGRfWb6MYDI/AAAAAAAAkso/5XaIYuatieg/s910/IMG_8938.JPG)

It comes from the rear bumper, does a little swoosh, up over the wheel arch and down, does another dip & dive routine, and then back up to meet the door line? That's going to require a major rework to get right.

Tail lights aren't refinished in this one (chipped paint on the ribs):

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E8p4NW2S9ts/UGRfYXAQGkI/AAAAAAAAks4/tALMdYIbs8Y/s910/IMG_8940.JPG)


I'll stop there for now and let others chime in on the photos if they desire.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 27, 2012, 12:35:38 PM
Thanks Brian, I'm sure Joe appreciates it! Hey...look at it this way....your causeing Bob to work harded to keep these guys happy.

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on September 27, 2012, 12:36:26 PM
IMHO, I see a car with alot of new parts. The seat covers don't look used to me, maybe dirty, but it is the repro material. I see new shocks, door panels, sill plates, package tray, carpet, visors, door pulls, redyed interior plastics, rubber gaskets, new rims, etc... Bob even put new BF Goodrich and that's one place he could have went cheap. I see some sloppy overspray on the headlight switch and other places but nothing compared to what Flounder received.  This looks like an honest attempt to provide an inexpensive tribute car, which is what most people want. I would not compare it a $30,000 build, which I believe the marketing campaign is trying to pass off as the final product. Would like to know the condition of car and pictures prior to restoration and during to see the real work under the paint. You simply cannot provide a $30,000 for $15,000 without cutting corners. There is not that much room. Time will tell and if you are as happy 2 years after receiving the car as you are when you take delivery then I say you got your monies worth and the deal you had hoped for.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 27, 2012, 12:49:11 PM
Thanks Guys.. it is all helpful.. really!!!

I do have a flash of course, but the sun was brutal that day. I was in the shadows trying to take a shot of the car in the sun and some worked and some did not.. oh well..

The seats where being worked on when I showed up. When I started taking pictures, the guys in the shop that were working on the front seats just picked them up and set them on the floor for me to take some pics, so that is why they are side ways as they are not even attached to the base at that point.

As far as me causing someone else to get ripped off, I really dont know what else I am supposed to do. Does everyone want me, George, TA WIDOW and any other clients to walk away from our investment so no one else gets ripped off? I am just asking for the car I paid for. Thats all.. When I was at Bob's shop, he had a full staff of guys working on about 8 or more cars. So in the end, I firmly believe many more customers will get cars than not. Again, just my opinion.

To address the 2 recent posts, I know NOW that I did not pay for a $30,000 restore. But I still want a really nice car. I think I am getting at least my $15,000 worth at this point.

I will use the feedback on the finish items you guys are telling me about here, so that is another THANK YOU for your time to look this over. I know it wont be perfect but I am hoping for the best it can be! THANKS AGAIN!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 27, 2012, 12:51:05 PM
Agreed but here's my thing...A can of Rustoleum / Krylon costs what...$4? A roll of blue masking tape costs what...$2? So for $6 and maybe an hour of prep, Bob could have painted the back tail lights to like new. And I know, I've done it. It takes longer to mask it off to avoid painting the whole tail light black then it does to actually spray it. From start to finish it took me maybe 1 hour. And I'm not doing this for a living, Bob is.

And to me, those seats look used. The different coloration on the seat buns is throwing up flags in my book. And why are they leaning? The Napa kit Brett mentioned in his "Fix Leaning Seats" page shows the parts are under $20. Simple fix so why was it overlooked?

Since we're talking wheel wells, what's with the frame rust starting on the pic I showed with the funky body line? Look at the rail as it looks like a decent line of rust starting from Top to Bottom behind the rear wheel (headed back towards the trunk). If I didn't know any better, I'd say he simply sprayed some undercoating over a rusty frame rail as that's certainly what it looks like.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 27, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
Joe,

I don't have an answer for you on your question. You have to do what's right for you. I know I wouldn't sleep at night knowing someone else had to suffer though.

Let's focus on your car to keep this a good healthy dialogue on what the car is and hopefully get you the best product available. As Flounder mentioned, the more we bring up, the more Bob has to fix so hopefully he realizes that he can't snowball the general public and has to focus his trade skills elsewhere. Sound fair??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 27, 2012, 01:11:45 PM
For what it's worth...Bob (or his contractor or separate entity) has not had but one car meet the reserve in the last 2 auctions. The one that did was a 73 Camaro for 73hundred dollars. You can't build a car for that!

 So at least for now.....there does not seem to be any new victims...I mean customers created.

 Somebody please correct me if I'm missing something!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 27, 2012, 01:17:22 PM
Brian , could the off color on the seats be lighting ? I think we need some better pics to really critique this better  ,lighting wise an image size.
I wish there was a better profile shot ,not just a cropped pic of  the rear tire area .  Then  you could properly assess the body lines
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 27, 2012, 01:29:41 PM
Maybe but I doubt it. Look at the rest of the seat and if it were a lighting issue, wouldn't you see that same coloration elsewhere?

Here's the spots I was referring to with my earlier comments on the wheel well:

(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m91/briangcc/joe-revised.jpg)

In red is the area I think I see rust forming from Top to Bottom on the frame rail. It's got a brownish color that certainly looks like rust.

The area I circled in green shows the dip and how the body line doesn't match from the rear quarter panel to the door - it looks like a combination of things to me. 1. Body line on quarter panel is going up as it heads towards the front of the car. 2. Door could be misaligned (ie low). In either case, it looks weird.

A good side shot of the entire car would show the true issue. Here's about the shot we'd need for further discussion:

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m10/musclecaralley/Brians%201978%20Y88%20Trans%20Am/166-6622_IMG.jpg)

**This is my car at Muscle Car Alley and you can see how bad my body line was after (2) different shops worked on it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 27, 2012, 01:46:43 PM
Well, you guys are making me feel better with each post! The doors are off center. That was a major topic of conversation I had with Bob. He assured me that the car is not done. Which it is not. Both doors need work to fit right. I saw that myself! That is why I feel better because even I saw that.

When we talked about the doors not lining up, he took me to a car that was ready to be delivered and showed me the fit and finish of the doors. It was much better than mine. But I will keep in him about this of course..

He had a new interior package in TAN for this car. It looked to me that the seats were new but just not done being installed on the front seats.

Brian, can you load the other pics off my album showing the rear seats that are installed. Do you think the same issue is there??
I was happy with the look and feel of the seats. If they are not new, I know they are not 30 years old..

Brian, I do agree with your request on lets keep this about the car. The only thing I will add to the part about Bobs new customers is a few of us that have been mentioned here now have Bob's attention. Dont wont to go into much more than that, but we are doing all we can to help/influence him to take care of his customers, all of them, and to get his business on the right track.  It is not happening over night and may take time, but we think he is trying to turn his business around. We hope everyone is satisfied sooner than later.

Thanks again for everyones time here..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 27, 2012, 02:53:36 PM
Glad to see you guys working together!

 I'd like to add that as far as new customers go.......I think Bob needs to take care of the MAJORITY( 75% or more) of his old customers before creating any new ones. Otherwise his bussiness just looks like the Ponzi scheme that most people here ( including myself) believe it to be.

  That's the general gripe in a nutshell! I've greed to settle for less that 1/2 of what I feel Bob owes me ( 9 grand)but to date he keeps vasicillating. One minute he says he will the next no.

  Now that I've been accused by Mr. McElreath of pediphilia and vague death threats my lawyer has insisted on no contact with Mr.McElreath whatsoever.

     So..Joe.....you have pull with Bob. I've been reasonable with my request ( we both agreed to that and so did Bob) can you see what you can do on my behalf? I've promised to agree on this site that my bussiness with BAB was sucessfully concluded by both parties. My word is more valuable than ANY car Bob has in his shop.

  If Bob is the changed man he claims to be this would be a good place to start. Also TAwidow should be one of his top priorities! It would show alot of good will and go a long way to re-establishing his credibility.

 I personally don't think he is capable of change so prove me wrong! I've heard several metaphors that fit here.

   You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig! You can roll a turd in powdered sugar but that don't make it a jelly donut....you get the idea.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 27, 2012, 04:08:57 PM
As for that body line...that needs to be sanded down, straightened - probably more filler build up and feathering, and then resprayed. Door alignment won't fix that swoosh in it.

Joe,

All I've been doing to post your photos is right clicking on the photo, selecting Copy Image Location (I'm using Firefox), and then pasting it in between the IMG tags - should be using [ ] and not the braces I'm about to show...

{img}http://myimagelocation.com/myimage.jpg{/img}

But sure, when I get a few moments I could post the rest up for you.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 27, 2012, 05:10:59 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-GkQXxSdbV-c/UGRe8AywKoI/AAAAAAAAkpg/6jpLAM-7lA4/s720/IMG_8913.JPG)

I hope that worked... have not posted here in a while and forgot this is used here!

Let me know what you think of these seats..

George, of course I will do the best I can..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on September 27, 2012, 05:51:24 PM
The whacky body line looks to me to actually be a reflection of the roofline on the building in the background. Optical illusion.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 27, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
The whacky body line looks to me to actually be a reflection of the roofline on the building in the background. Optical illusion.
Well this is my concern . Would be easier if there were better pics to critique it with , instead of just ripping it apart with what we have
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NWW-79 T/A on September 27, 2012, 07:04:33 PM
The whacky body line looks to me to actually be a reflection of the roofline on the building in the background. Optical illusion.
Me too
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NWW-79 T/A on September 27, 2012, 07:40:00 PM
I do have to say, those blue letter tires are weird. Never seen those
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 27, 2012, 08:58:47 PM
I do have to say, those blue letter tires are weird. Never seen those
My BFGs were exactly the same when they we're new  . Comes off on the first wash and letters become white
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 27, 2012, 11:32:28 PM
Looks like the Top Border material is different than the Seat portion Border Area.  Isn't it supposed to be like a Nubuck Suede Imitation?  Just observing and asking?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on September 27, 2012, 11:34:59 PM
As far as the Body Line it doesn't look like an optical illusion, it looks like a distinct angle and why just in that spot?  I would do the tape thing like it shows on Bryan's Car as door alignment would have nothing to do with a crooked rear panel line!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 28, 2012, 08:11:53 AM
Here are some more shots I took of that side of the car.Like I said, these bays are so tight it was hard to get a full shot of the side of the car, but this is what I have so far...

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SwDnzp8zQsc/UGRfPt9OB5I/AAAAAAAAkr4/NeUyUc6lJsk/s512/IMG_8932.JPG)

I know the doors need work on alignment, but I am not seeing the other line you guys are talking about...let me know!

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WySZEuzLVuo/UGRfVLjRa5I/AAAAAAAAksg/ztwYVbfcMBM/s512/IMG_8937.JPG)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 08:21:52 AM
Joe,

In the area I circled in green, the body line on the rear quarter panel, right above the rear wheel flare, seems to have a swoosh in it. If you use the white object in the reflection as a reference point, the left of the body line is definitely lower than the right side. The ride side leads up to, and over, the body line in the door.

Either that's one hell of an optical illusion, which I seriously doubt but could be wrong, or you have one heck of a fouled up body line. The latter is my guess.

We'd need a full on shot like I showed with my car to come to any better conclusions. The larger the picture, the better. Since you have Bob's ear, any chance you can wrangle a high quality photo out of him on this??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 28, 2012, 08:25:42 AM
I can try... his cameras are not that good... as you have seen in the other pics we post, they all come from him in low res.. very small pics.. I will post some pics of John C's car that is being completed along side of mine and maybe you can see other stuff in his and see if you see any line issues there... coming up here soon..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 28, 2012, 08:31:35 AM
Here are some pics for review on John C, 79 Black/Tan SE.. Hos car has a motor in now and is missing some body panels, interior is about same as mine.. he gave me permission to post.. maybe you can tell from his things you can not see in mine?? here you go:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VbtGhSRBR64/UGWVJ0otnMI/AAAAAAAAkuM/bXQM5-7_-kc/s640/IMG_8947.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dRBkx8j1Nno/UGWVLhZ_-PI/AAAAAAAAkuc/oEdJhEqqII4/s640/IMG_8949.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-WpdLaKWEin4/UGWVNp90dVI/AAAAAAAAkus/sbfM5V8s8K8/s640/IMG_8951.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2AV6GKPBgYc/UGWVOj_49NI/AAAAAAAAku0/zP8MVwu32uE/s640/IMG_8952.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XqGgbKfxeZQ/UGWVQoWiAxI/AAAAAAAAkvE/akc4nPa0yC4/s640/IMG_8954.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-whwuIK_flPA/UGWVe3JrwCI/AAAAAAAAkvU/2BZNvTLcF0Y/s640/IMG_8956.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sJiqVUCYZwc/UGWVf-nNUQI/AAAAAAAAkvc/ePAj2v8Ai2w/s640/IMG_8957.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-K6Gg8Ito3WQ/UGWVhpZ1UyI/AAAAAAAAkvs/0cPQlWzVXHo/s640/IMG_8959.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-tpLX2qd-BwA/UGWViV1SumI/AAAAAAAAkv0/MdDgzUk3A54/s640/IMG_8960.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rFp1pA1KNVA/UGWVkAAo1hI/AAAAAAAAkwE/tUEZ5FjXOJU/s640/IMG_8962.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8_nIXfL0As8/UGWVlD2wlCI/AAAAAAAAkwM/exsSG68kv9s/s640/IMG_8963.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-C7RM0vKtF5s/UGWVmCiPKXI/AAAAAAAAkwU/nLof6fuX8vw/s640/IMG_8964.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KKBXGOYnxWU/UGWVnD8RqTI/AAAAAAAAkwc/jo1Kzdz0NiM/s640/IMG_8965.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RvtKknHwbzs/UGWVpfaWztI/AAAAAAAAkws/-mrf7ODD3WU/s640/IMG_8967.JPG)

Maybe some of these angles are better than my pics??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on September 28, 2012, 12:14:51 PM
Two things i noticed from the photos are
1) the wheel well in the last photo looks like he didn't bother to refinish the underside.  It doesn't look all that nice and in my mind would be a quick and easy cleanup.
2) The motor seemed very nice however the water outlet on the intake seems old and rusty. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NWW-79 T/A on September 28, 2012, 01:17:35 PM
Doesn't look that bad, but I agree that the inner fenders look rough and they should've done something with them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: LOMILETA on September 28, 2012, 01:18:45 PM
1. I agree with the inner fenders.
2. Looks like the master cylinder and booster are used and just spray bombed.
3. Another case of the steel dash painted the wrong color.
4. IMHO, that metal fuel filter is a vapor lock waiting to happen.
5. The drivers side of the rear seat ( in the hobnail section on top)  looks worn.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 01:26:50 PM
On the other car...

Why is there rust on the front bumper beam? He took the time to spray the top & bottom but missed where it bolts to the subframe?? You can see it in this photo, to the left of the turn signal indicator:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dRBkx8j1Nno/UGWVLhZ_-PI/AAAAAAAAkuc/oEdJhEqqII4/s640/IMG_8949.JPG)

And again in this photo.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-VbtGhSRBR64/UGWVJ0otnMI/AAAAAAAAkuM/bXQM5-7_-kc/s640/IMG_8947.JPG)


Granted, its covered by the bumper cover but if you're going to take the time to paint the beam, why not the whole thing? Boggles my mind.


Dash would drive me nuts. The glove box door is a different color than the dash and the fit isn't the greatest. And the metal being painted black instead of Camel Tan?

Same comments on the center console as on yours. But hey, at least Bob's consistent in that one!

What's with the missing paint on the trunk hinges? That's bare metal there.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8_nIXfL0As8/UGWVlD2wlCI/AAAAAAAAkwM/exsSG68kv9s/s640/IMG_8963.JPG)

As for the body lines on that car...hard to see with the camera angles and reflections. Would need a good shot out in the open to see what's really going on. It helps immensely if the door is closed too ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 01:39:15 PM
Dang I missed something and its blatant (and easy to correct right now). Anyone else see it in this photo:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2AV6GKPBgYc/UGWVOj_49NI/AAAAAAAAku0/zP8MVwu32uE/s640/IMG_8952.JPG)


AC suitcase is 2 different colors! Looks like one side is natural fiberglass and the other side was painted black. I know, I cleaned & painted mine all black and it looks like the half on the left. That'd also drive me nuts as you see it when you open the hood. Very simple fix.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 28, 2012, 02:20:48 PM
Thanks Guys.. just looked over this... John's front bumper was not ready and I can tell what you are saying.. they are still working in these of course and this will give us better ideas on what we should be looking for. When I started taking pics, they had the rubber bumper filler hanging off the front as they had not finished it yup yet, so tehy took it off for the pics and said it needed to be finished.. but they are still working on these and this is not the finished product..

We will document all of these suggestions and will bring them to Bob. So your time is appreciated and well used. I think it will help us get better cars, due to your help!! THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 28, 2012, 02:37:58 PM
I have a question...Brian...ANYBODY ...The AC suitcase....is that where the OTHER VIN plate on these cars is located? Just wondering why only half of the "SUITCASE" might have been taken off........anybody following me here?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 02:51:44 PM
Yes there is a partial VIN that resides under the AC suitcase. It will contain the last portion of your VIN. And yes, it's often overlooked in VIN swaps - a person a while back showed up claiming to have a 1 of 1 hardtop Y88. Eventually he found out, the hard way, that someone took the vin off a Y88 and put it onto a regular TA chassis. When the AC suitcase was removed, they were found not to match on that particular car. That's VIN swapping and that's illegal...as in federal offense.

Now, before someone goes running stating the VIN has been swapped on any of BAB's cars, more evidence needs to be collected. Just because the suitcase is a different color doesn't necessarily mean the VIN has been tampered with. They may have replaced the heater core, cleaned up/refurbished the heater controls inside, etc. You'd need to pop the case back off to see IF a swap were indeed happening.

But yes I see where you were headed...just don't jump right to that right off the bat. But since your car is in your possession and you are having it worked on, it wouldn't hurt to check there just to cover yourself.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 03:12:06 PM
Thanks Guys.. just looked over this... John's front bumper was not ready and I can tell what you are saying.. they are still working in these of course and this will give us better ideas on what we should be looking for. When I started taking pics, they had the rubber bumper filler hanging off the front as they had not finished it yup yet, so tehy took it off for the pics and said it needed to be finished.. but they are still working on these and this is not the finished product..

We will document all of these suggestions and will bring them to Bob. So your time is appreciated and well used. I think it will help us get better cars, due to your help!! THANK YOU!

No problem. In the photo above where I mention the AC Suitcase, have the owner check on whether or not that wiring running from the Alternator is new or used. If it's used, demand new. It's 30+ years old, brittle, and sooner or later will cause an electrical fire. Replace it now to have years of worry free service. About $400 for all the underhood wiring harnesses from M&H Wiring Harnesses. Easier to replace them now then when all the sheetmetal is on. I have all the M&H Harnesses under hood and couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 28, 2012, 03:19:33 PM
Thanks Brian, He reason I asked is when you look at the VIN PLATE in one of Joe's pictures ( too me) the rivets look funny.......is it just me being synic?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 28, 2012, 03:34:05 PM
The reason I bring this up.....and correct me please....if I'm wrong. This car is supposed to be an 81 pace car ( originally) arent they kinda rare ans collectable in that state? Why would Bob take a fairly rare car ( that was in pretty good condition) and convert it to a 78-79 car.

 NOW.....if you had a pace car that was a complete POS and a good title and a good to fair 77-78-79 frame with no DOCS.............it might make sense.......at least to me. All this is purely speculation mind you.  AND AGAIN....SOMEBODY PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong on ANY count!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 28, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
ok...I think I meant 80 pace car
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 03:59:16 PM
I'm not making that jump without facts.

Would it be legal to paint that 80-81 pace car as a 79? Sure. As long as the VIN doesn't get changed and its titled at the DMV/BMV as the 80-81.

Moving vins between donor chassis's - illegal. VIN swapping plain and simple. We've had that discussion here before, let's not rehash it again.

Now, a Repair Shop is allowed to remove the VIN from the vehicle to repair the dash as long as that same VIN goes right back on the vehicle it came off of. The dash corners are notorious for rotting on these cars so its within the realm of possibilities that a repair was indeed required. More questions would need to be answered by both the car owner and Bob to determine legality.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 28, 2012, 04:05:28 PM
I realize that VIN swapping is ILLEGAL. I guees it does not seem like a good bussiness decision to change a VALUABLE 80 pace car to a less valuable 78-79.

 Are not the 80 pacecars  very collectable?  Just seems strange to me.....that's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 04:10:54 PM
Yes and no. To a collector, yes. To the average joe, probably not so much.

The Bandit cars have all the press so they are more desirable and thus command a greater value on resale - clone or not. The pacecars, not so much. When you think Trans Am, you think Bandit - black & gold.

It's the delimma I'm going through now with the 80 Firebird I have. Do I go Pace Car or do I go Bandit? Wife says she likes the Pace Car scheme but since its not truly her car (ie she didn't pick it out for herself - yeah we're going there...guess I need to let her pick out a project car huh?) that I can paint it whatever I like. As long as it gets sold off before the next project is purchased.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on September 28, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
Besides, the jump from 80-81 to a 79 Trans Am isn't as big a deal as you think. Gas tank filler door gets changed. If it were a turbo car, the hood gets changed. Voila 79 Trans Am from a 80-81 Pace Car. Those are the biggest differences.

Take that same 80-81 car and now clone it to a 77-78 and you're into a world of changes. Front & rear bumpers change. Front bumper brackets change. Rear tail panel needs to be changed OR spacers used for the 77-78 tail lights. New filler neck for gas tank. Dimmer switch needs to be mounted on the floor so steering column also needs a change out. Rear wiring harness is different. All air dams are different. Etc. As you can see, a host of work to take a 80-81 and make it a 77-78. A smart business man would start with a 76-78 to make a 77-78 SE clone and a 79-81 to make a 79-81 SE clone to avoid having to do extra work.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 28, 2012, 06:03:36 PM
Thanks for all your input guys. We will try to put it all to good use. As for the subject of converting a 80 Pace Car of Joe's to 79 SE / bandit clone, I've even seen Bob convert a 10th anniversary T/A into a SE / Bandit clone. So that doesn't surprise me.  I know to a collector that's a shame because a 10th anniversary is even more valuable than a 80 Pace car. Most people who call Bob want a SE/ Bandit clone, so he uses whatever he has in stock. There is nothing illegal about making any Firebird look like a SE/ bandit as long as people know it's a clone and still carries whatever vin it originally was.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 29, 2012, 12:12:38 AM
Having a 79 -81 converted to a 78 SE would not bother me . If I had the shop space I would be doing it , as clean 78's with Fisher T's  are scarce where as 79 to 81 seem to be allot more plentiful. Maybe because they made more and maybe because very few people want to part with there 78's , especially black on black ones
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 29, 2012, 08:17:42 AM
Thanks guys! I will check my VIN to be DOUBLE sure.. but like J said, I dont see that Bob has a dog in the fight on the VINS. He let me pick this car and same with John. He did not sell me on the Pace car, simply showed me it was in decent shape and was able to get me a car sooner than later. He did not charge extra for any VIN over another.  So I dont see him benefitting from messing with the VINS.. I wanted the 79 SE tribute and accepted this car when he told me it was an 80 Pace car..

I am interested to make sure the VIN I have is correct as I did order my PHS docs and also for resale and legal reasons. I simply want to know what I have so one day I can tell someone else exactly what it was. Thats my main interest..if he was posting "numbers matching 79 SE" and charging a premium for it, then I see the reason to change them, but that is not the case here..

We are making list of these issues and getting them to Bob, so all of this is EXTREMELY helpful!! Thanks again!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 29, 2012, 08:31:34 AM
Joe , the only reason I brought that up was when Brian pointed out the partially painted A/C suitcase and then the skeptic in me took over.

 Like Brian said, they have had to replace the heater core but why not paint the whole thing?

 And I thought that was where the other VIN plate was so.......It was just a thought. Like I said, I'm a rookie to these cars and given Bob previous track record it was not an extreme reach to to there.
 It appears that changing years is not that uncommon so I learned something.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 29, 2012, 11:15:29 AM
To bad people don't pay Bob with there visa . Then you could tell visa to get your money back when you submit a "product not received " complaint .
Ok I doubt  Bob is able to use visa , what was I thinking
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 29, 2012, 06:25:53 PM
I would think $15k for a rebuild is a lot. I mean 3k in body, 3k in paint, 3k in interior, 3k in motor what's the other 3k for? I know suspension brakes and tires. And that is good money for that stuff too!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 29, 2012, 07:12:31 PM
I would think $15k for a rebuild is a lot. I mean 3k in body, 3k in paint, 3k in interior, 3k in motor what's the other 3k for? I know suspension brakes and tires. And that is good money for that stuff too!

lets see, how complete and nice is a 3K ta currently?? there are additional body parts you may need to replace, trans, exhaust, weatherstrips, wheels and tires, most likely a windshield, wheel flares are always an issue, some grills, decals and stripes......that alone is easily over 3K.

you are assuming you can go out and buy a solid, straight, complete, running, rust free t top trans am for 3k, because if its not, no body shop will touch the paint for 3K, and any performance mods will run the engine well over 3K. any real shop trying to make any profit at all, would have a hard time supplying and building a nice TA for 15K without cutting corners
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 29, 2012, 07:15:17 PM
I don't know what kind of restoration you're doing but good luck with that
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 29, 2012, 07:26:04 PM
I don't know what kind of restoration you're doing but good luck with that

I am guessing you have never restored a car, because anyone who has knows about all the added costs that keep adding up.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 29, 2012, 07:44:23 PM
Midyear, I keep telling Jupiter he has been standing to  close to that radio active sign....LOL.

  While I can't speak to most of what a build costs........unless you go to BAB/PP then I would say "TOO MUCH"

 I DO know I spent 4500 for a 400 that is supposed to put out 400HP with 460 torque and that cheap! Butler wants a WHOLE lot more.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 29, 2012, 09:10:21 PM
what's the other 3k for?

he may have to turn a profit
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 29, 2012, 09:17:10 PM
You're right midyear. I'm a big dummy. I stood too close to my sign.


Anyway, $4,500 for 400hp? That's a steal Flounder55. I priced out my engine and it was going to run between $5,500 and $6,000 to pull those kinds of numbers. But to put it back to stock it would run me $2,000-$3000. Of course now if I did it myself then I could save some coin, which I may do.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 29, 2012, 09:26:43 PM
what's the other 3k for?

he may have to turn a profit

True, True. And it doesn't cost $3k to massage a car that's fairly straight either. I bet he's using the Maaco special $500-$900 paint job. Another quick way to save. Maaco is alright if you prep the body yourself and you enjoy wet sanding the crap out of your car. I'm just saying if he knew what he was doing he could have run a business making good money building drivers. $15k into a straight car is a good chunk of change.

See Midyear! I don't sound too crazy, now do I?

It doesn't cost $15k to do what Bob is doing. IMO
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: gilbertsta on September 29, 2012, 09:29:52 PM
I wonder what west coast customs or chip foose would charge for a restore job? I would think 15g is cheap? You can charge what the market and your reputation can bare. Skill/labor/time all come into play.  I think of car building like art.  Ppl pay much more than 15g for some paint on canvas. The time the tools the building the skill needed to restore these cars should be more appreciated. Not every mechanic/body guy is a picasso.  If you want the best than seek the best. But sometimes you may get a break from an up and coming restorer...thats the risk you take...

78 trans am /400/brown

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 29, 2012, 09:37:46 PM
Jupiter,

 Look at Rock and Roll engineering, They have gone up to 4800 but he still offers that set up.

 His name is Bruce Fulper and he is quite knowledgeable about Pontiac motors
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 29, 2012, 09:41:32 PM
I would think $15k for a rebuild is a lot. I mean 3k in body, 3k in paint, 3k in interior, 3k in motor what's the other 3k for? I know suspension brakes and tires. And that is good money for that stuff too!

lets see, how complete and nice is a 3K ta currently?? there are additional body parts you may need to replace, trans, exhaust, weatherstrips, wheels and tires, most likely a windshield, wheel flares are always an issue, some grills, decals and stripes......that alone is easily over 3K.

you are assuming you can go out and buy a solid, straight, complete, running, rust free t top trans am for 3k, because if its not, no body shop will touch the paint for 3K, and any performance mods will run the engine well over 3K. any real shop trying to make any profit at all, would have a hard time supplying and building a nice TA for 15K without cutting corners

I see the disconnect. I said a rebuild not a restoration. Bob's not restoring the car. Hes just freshening it. using the old stuff and starting with what Jgodar says was a straight car. You are not going to dump $3k into the body. Bob doesn't look like he's spraying a $3k paint job, The interior doesn't look like more than $2k. So the money saved buys wheels, tires, exhaust, decals, ect ect ect.....

A full frame off would run $20-$30k easily. But I didn't say Full frame off.

As for restoring cars I got a TA on a rotisserie right now. I have almost all the sheet metal done and I may have $400 into it. both floor pans, trunk drop downs, and toe boards. No rust left at all.

So sorry if I mis spoke
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 29, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
The disconnect here is that BOB OFFERS ( advertises) a fully restored 78 T/A BUT that's not what you get.

 There in lies the disconnect. Your not getting what your paying.....I take that back  ...you are NOT getting what you THOUGHT you were paying for and it takes 2 1/2 times longer than advertised.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 30, 2012, 07:36:05 AM

As for restoring cars I got a TA on a rotisserie right now. I have almost all the sheet metal done and I may have $400 into it. both floor pans, trunk drop downs, and toe boards. No rust left at all.


So, you got a shop to completely disassemble you car, put it on a rotisserie, replace the pans and rust..for $400??? I think not, I think $400 only covers the price of the new sheet metal, no labor at all.

If you are doing your car yourself you are not factoring in the labor cost associated with the build, also inexperience causes some jobs to be done twice, how many of us have wasted too many hours learning how to do things the hard (long) way.

You initially posted you thought there was $3k in fluff in Bobs prices, I am saying a reputable shop can not make money doing $15k restorations and supplying a car. If so the market would be flooded with them.

I am in no way defending Bob, but he was not making money doing the work, he only profited by ripping people off on a ponzie type scheme. and now he is broke and unable to complete his obligations.

as for shortcuts, yup, Bob has used what appears to be all of them, and look were it got him, but he still had a staff, and he still had payroll to meet, and shop rent, ect. all of this took $$$, Every day it seems a business goes out from not anticipating how much payroll and operating costs would actually be.

Since this appears to be your first restoration, I wish you luck, and hope it turns out as nice as you are hoping it will, just wait and see how much it costs even doing it yourself. If you keep a spreadsheet of hours and parts I believe you will be surprised, the little thing really do add up fast. and I can say that from many years of experience.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on September 30, 2012, 07:39:12 AM
You're right midyear. I'm a big dummy. I stood too close to my sign.


and please go back and reread the posts...I never called you anything, and did not comment on your sign, I only gave a perspective from another point of view.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 30, 2012, 08:33:29 AM
You're right midyear. I'm a big dummy. I stood too close to my sign.


and please go back and reread the posts...I never called you anything, and did not comment on your sign, I only gave a perspective from another point of view.

LOL Hey man, all in good fun. I am just messing around. You never called me anything. It was me not being clear in what I was writting. That's why I appologized in my last post.

My point is for $15k you can get a hell of a driver and Flounder55 did not even get that.

I will put between $15-$20k in my car and it will be close to frame off, me doing most of the work and that is with out any high performance mods.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 30, 2012, 08:47:07 AM
As for a shop price, they charge $50 per hour here. Floor pans take maybe 8 hrs both sides to an experienced guy. $400 in labor $180 in pans.


And this isn't my first rodeo.

I have 2 1977 SE's being restored right now and I've done a few Mustangs. My first GM was a 1981 Z28 I restored when I was 19.

ASE certified Mechanic
Worked in bodyshops for years. (granted I only pulled dents, filled and sanded)

As for the interior. You mean he didn't cap the dash and just re dye most of it? lol

It doesn't take $15k to do what Bob is doing





 


Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 30, 2012, 09:20:40 AM
Hey Jupiter, just for the record you know it was me that said the thing about standing too close to the sign. It's all in fun guys..........! All in fun....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on September 30, 2012, 09:43:26 AM
I'm not crying too hard on how little Bob makes on these builds.  He has 35 customers that he admits to and you guys said that there are about 8 being worked on.  That's about $65K per car if every victim paid an average of $15K.  He never stops looking for new victims and laughs all the way to the bank every time he suckers a new one in.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 30, 2012, 11:38:19 AM
Mid year you nailed it , he is only making profit by ripping people off . The math doesn't work out otherwise IMO .
I know things are cheaper in the USA so I have a hard time doing a comparison , but to repaint my Marty is close to 7 to 8K here and that's not including decals . I am going to need over 10 K for a color change if I change it into the SE clone I've always wanted . Then again we haven't had a shop rate of $50 an hour since 1980.


The  math just doesn't add up here as if your paying employees to build these cars the labor involved  would eat any profit , so I'm agreeing with the others that stated this is no more than a Ponzi scheme .
Jupiter your doing most of your own labor correct ? you don't seem to include the fact that there's people being payed to work on these cars , so your estimates on costs are a little unrealistic .400 bucks wouldn't cover repairing a scratch 1 inch long here. I know , we accidentally scratched a car 12 years ago at work when some strand touched it , and it costs 500 bucks to repair
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 30, 2012, 02:16:00 PM
Rain....that's my second favorite color for these cars...Martinique Blue......Awesome looking color on those T/A's
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 30, 2012, 04:39:06 PM
Hey Flounder, I have a Atlantis Blue 79 T/A you might like to see. I believe it is very close in color. Martinique Blue is a 78 color, Atlantis Blue a 79 color.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 30, 2012, 04:59:48 PM
cool...the hood bird is a different color in 78 ...right?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 30, 2012, 05:11:50 PM
I know in 79 you could get the decals with the blue highlights too. I think 77 had black and blue highlights and 78 you could get either. not sure 100% on that, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NWW-79 T/A on September 30, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
That's a sharp 79. Never seen an Atlantis Blue with gold decals.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on September 30, 2012, 05:39:17 PM
It's a rare combo. 400 4 speed, hardtop, Atlantis Blue. Here is a interior pic.

Here's a link to some more pics.
http://s1168.photobucket.com/albums/r490/johnc9909/
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 30, 2012, 06:55:25 PM
Hello guys,

  Just got a phone call from Randy White, for some of you that may not know his was the first BAB customer car advertised on Ebay,Bob sent him a personal message on Ebay comparing what he did ( advertiseing his car as a BAB built car) as similar to molesting his (Bob's) 6 year old daughter.

 Anyway Randy sold his car Saturday for 17K and he was estatic!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on September 30, 2012, 07:34:35 PM
John,

Nice car!! Glad I got to finally see it.. and I can not tell you how much better I feel that R. White sold his car for $17k..at least I hope to get that out of mine if I do need to sell it.. at least the market seems to be there..I can Speak for John, Eli and others that are getting cars done now.. WE HAVE ALL HAD AN EDUCATION IN THIS!! No doubt about it!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on September 30, 2012, 07:35:05 PM
Who'd he sell it to? Bob?

;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 30, 2012, 07:52:22 PM
 Well Randy paid about 13K for his T/A and put another 3K in repairs so he just about broke even on the deal even though the paint had fingerprints in it as well as rust holes inside the quarterpanel. He inform the buyer about those issues and the buyer told him that Trans Am specialties gets 22-30K for their cars so he could invest 5-8K and get exactly what he wanted.

 Anyway I'm happy for Randy. He showed me one of Bob's weak spots which was Ebay so I learned from his actions.

He still wants another T/A but he thinks he will wait a while.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on September 30, 2012, 09:17:42 PM
Rain....that's my second favorite color for these cars...Martinique Blue......Awesome looking color on those T/A's
Thank you . I was looking for an SE clone but gave up after 3 years of looking . Was debating to change her to an SE clone but the color has grown on me . Get allot of nice comments from people to . You would be hard pressed to go for a drive in it without getting a thumbs up or a comment and an occasional smile from someone .
Funny as people used to bash them in the early 80's , now they've gone full circle lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on September 30, 2012, 09:30:28 PM
When is Jgodar getting his car finished?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on September 30, 2012, 10:24:57 PM
I just think Marti blue with the blue hood bird is sharp! I would NOT change a thing!

  As for when JGodar gets his car? ..Not sure but I know he is going to make another trip to Fairview or Swanannoa NC to check on the progress of his build. I know Bob is under the gun to get these builds right ( to the best of HIS ability) as they are well publicized on Facebook!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on September 30, 2012, 10:47:50 PM
I wonder what Chip Foose would charge for a restore job?

You've seen Overhaulin right?  That is how Foose does all his restores...Not in a week, but that quality...most all of the are close to $100,000.00.

My car is straight as an arrow and absolutely no rust anywhere...I was quoted for a non show car quality paint job with House of Colors paint...$7,000.00. 

Seems kind of high to me, but I know the paint would be over $2,500.00 and body work to make sure it was straight as an arrow for black, $7,000.00 might be a decent price.

But since I am cheap and will do more time at the strip then the show...I'll do it in my own booth with some lower grade Omni paint for about $800.00 and my labor.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 01, 2012, 07:58:32 AM
That's actually LOW in my neck of the woods. 10k and up around here for a good quality paint job.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on October 01, 2012, 09:46:03 AM
I have a "tentative" date for my car to be done of Oct 26... hoping for some updated pics this week.. since it was over 2 weeks ago that I was there..I will keep you posted on progress...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 01, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
It will be exciting. It sounds like Bob is trying. So far the car look like it's coming along and for the price you can not beat it. Unless it doesn't get done of course. Can't wait to see the pics. If you know of other guys who are almost done have them post up here too. It would be a nice spin to hear Bob made it and that TAwidow got her refund. He'd have a lot of heat off him if he just negotiated a settlement with her.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 01, 2012, 11:26:36 AM
While I can't speak for TA widow I get a sense that nothing short of full restitution or jail time or both will make her happy.

 I've offered to settle for less then half of what I feel Bob owes me but that does not seem to be going anywhere.

 I hope the guys that have builds with Bob continue to post pics here as I'm sure alot of you would love to critique his work.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 01, 2012, 12:14:33 PM
I would not settle for anything less than full restitution.  He never lifted a finger to do anything on the build - he never had the time or opportunity to do anything on it.  My husband died 3 days after paying in full and by then Bob had gone missing for a couple of months.  100% of the money should have been sitting in his account and should have been handed over as soon as it was asked for.   The only thing he's done in regards to my family is lie about us and steal from us.  I don't see how that would cause me to want to reduce how much he owes me (I sure don't think that's what anyone is suggesting).  Originally I had wanted the car still, but the 51 days of utter silence followed by lie after lie on his end changed my mind.  I have always been willing to work out a payment plan, but the man just screams at me and lies to me or about me in his bulk e-mails.  He's 21 days past the new contract date and 27 days past his "well-known" 90 day fabricated policy on full refunds.

I think he deserves jail time not for just refusing to pay me back, but for swindling the nearly 3 dozen other people he currently admits to having as clients.  2 seem happy with his "service" which I think is being forced upon Bob by the Attorney General's office.  Bob is trying - he's trying to stay out of jail.  That's it.  He does not care about his "customers" or he wouldn't have left for months at a time, lied, or stolen our money.  Flounder is settling I think because he realizes that he can't get blood from a stone (he gets a nice little threat against his family for forcing even a settlement).  And I'm seeking full restitution.  That leaves 31 other victims doing God knows what while Bob spends their money however he wants.  That's over half a million dollars!!!  Rotting in jail looks like a pretty fair sentence for doing what he's done to this many families. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 01, 2012, 12:23:54 PM
And I don't blame you one bit. You're entitled to a full refund.

And I don't like the idea that Bob's fleecing other "customers" in order to move on with current builds. It does NOT sit well with me. Period. Trust me, I have problems sleeping at night and I'm not even personally involved with a business transaction with this yahoo.

Do I have another answer for the customers that got snowed into their current situation and are currently working with Bob to get their cars at any cost? Nope.

My hope is that by continuing to critique these cars that are currently being built, that Bob's put through enough hoops that he decides to close his doors and focus on something other than cars. As I said earlier, there are many challenging careers in the food service industry!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 01, 2012, 12:26:36 PM
BTW: Those of you with cars currently in the shop with Bob...would someone kindly mention to him that he can give you larger & high quality photos? Seriously, postage stamp stuff won't cut it for us looking over your cars. The larger & more detailed, the better.

He has $$ sitting around that he's told Flounder about - around $4k or so. Only takes a couple hundred to go over to Target and get a decent Canon camera and memory card. I know, that's where I bought mine!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 01, 2012, 01:10:23 PM
BTW: Those of you with cars currently in the shop with Bob...would someone kindly mention to him that he can give you larger & high quality photos? Seriously, postage stamp stuff won't cut it for us looking over your cars. The larger & more detailed, the better.

I would have to bet thet they are deliberately poor quality small images....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 01, 2012, 01:24:14 PM
Yeah that's my bet too. Big enough to show just an inkling of work being performed but yet small enough so that even if they're blown up you can't see the details due to pixellation.

He can post large photos on ebay but yet can't seem to do the same for his actual customers. Dare I say it...almost like he's specifically hiding his work??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 01, 2012, 08:56:36 PM
Wow, someone is forcing Bob to do something.  It's even in complete sentences this time.  I just got this e-mail:
Dear Carol,
 
I just got your voicemail.  Your demeanor was very encouraging.  I will type up the very realistic term of a very prompt refund for you.  I always wanted to work this out, and from your voicemail I will submit this to you Wednesday and get the ball rolling.  This is for you to preview before the attorney or mediator.  As you know, I canít have phone contact with you, but I can listen to your voicemails.  Now we will get this worked out.
 
 
 
Thanks
 
Bob

What's with the "as you know" crap though?  How would I know?  The invisible mediator has never contacted me and Bob certainly hasn't been honest with me or about me ever.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 01, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
Well I'm sure you don't need to be told this but i wouldn't trust anything he says unless hes providing a confirmation number for a wire transfer.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 01, 2012, 09:13:18 PM
That's awesome TAwidow. I hope Bob is giving you your refund. I'm going to stay hopefull as I would love to hear a happy ending to this. Sorry to hear Flounder55 that you settled for less. Sometimes cutting your losses is the best thing to do. I wish I was in a spot to help you out but I am over my head with 3 cars. And before someone asks they are my own cars lol. I don't run a business.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 01, 2012, 09:44:25 PM
Carol,

   I hope this time he means what he says. I've had a "few" of those false starts with Bob.

  Jupiter, I already have someone working on the car but thanks for the offer. The reason I'm asking for less than than what I think I'm owed is because 1) what I think is subjective. 2) I'm not going to hagel over every little thing. 3) I'm ready to move on and feel like Bob will get his down the road. Karma baby! 4) If I get new 17 inch  gold Year One snowflakes, a 79 gold hood bird and 3K in cash I will be happy!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 01, 2012, 11:56:15 PM
Winstoncup2watch...........is back!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 02, 2012, 12:23:09 AM
I'm crossing my fingers for you TAwidow, but for some reason I'm suspicious ?
 As I mentioned before I'm out almost  two hundred thousand dollars  and just when I think my sister (the executor ) has come to her senses she has yet another lame excuse why I can't get what was supposed to be coming to me in the will .
She really reminds me of Bob for some strange reason  ::)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 12:51:21 AM
Ok guys,

 I put my ad back up. So come on guys/ladies....ask me some questions , I promise to post them all !
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 02, 2012, 11:12:13 AM
Ok guys,

 I put my ad back up. So come on guys/ladies....ask me some questions , I promise to post them all !
Link?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on October 02, 2012, 11:12:32 AM
Ok guys,

 I put my ad back up. So come on guys/ladies....ask me some questions , I promise to post them all !

It would be a lot easier if you posted the link to your ad.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 11:19:39 AM
Not sure how to do a link but the item number is.....271072781363. Wish I knew how to do the link thing
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 11:27:43 AM
Ebay just took my car down
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 02, 2012, 11:47:17 AM
Very simple....

Copy & paste the entire address of your ad in the address bar. Would look something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/99-MANUAL-580HP-ROOF-SPOILER-PWR-SEAT-TACHOMETER-KEYLESS-ENTRY-/390469317798?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5ae9c8f4a6
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 12:00:57 PM
Thanks Brian,

  Unfortunately my car was taken off Ebay. They say it violates Ebay polocies.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 12:17:45 PM
ok . it's back up again....a much tamer version.http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/partially-restored-Trans-am-Swannanoa-Fairview-Black-moutain-NC-area-/271073089190?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f1d3716a6.

 The link thanks to Brian .....asks away I may or may not be able to answer the question but I WILL POST IT
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 02, 2012, 04:43:30 PM
Sent you a loaded question. Post away bro!  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 05:02:36 PM
Thanks...I responded
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 02, 2012, 08:38:27 PM
Those questions are a great idea .
What was posted earlier that was against eBay policy?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 08:49:08 PM
Apparently, Ebay polocy is that you can't used Ebay as a sounding board against other Ebayers. I calmed my ad down and so far they are letting it stay. Now I can't contro; what question you ask and I DO post them!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 02, 2012, 08:50:03 PM
and the link shown does work!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 02, 2012, 09:54:35 PM
Funny,  you can't used Ebay as a sounding board against other Ebayers but you CAN use Ebay to fleece people. What BS!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 02, 2012, 10:25:15 PM
Come on now.  I'm sure it's all legit.  He has 3 fully restored Trans Am's up for auction.  He probably owes 20 people those same cars, so what's another 3 or more victims thrown in?  Does anybody know the breakdown of the different types of cars he's promised people?  Which shop are they from?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 03, 2012, 01:18:39 AM
Funny,  you can't used Ebay as a sounding board against other Ebayers but you CAN use Ebay to fleece people. What BS!
That's exactly what I was thinking
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 03, 2012, 01:29:22 AM
Hope you guys can ask me some questions
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: LOMILETA on October 03, 2012, 01:54:14 PM
Just did.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 03, 2012, 02:40:59 PM
i want to thank all of you for some really creative qustions!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 03, 2012, 08:54:03 PM
Bob sent a new contract:
10/3/12
Carol Thompson:
Your voicemail and politeness was the instigating gesture in this real and true proposal of a contract for a non-breach of contract refund. This will be notarized and legally binding contract to this affect by both parties involved. The terms will be a check for $3,000.00 will be sent Priority mail with a tracking number.  That check along with the $2000 youíve received will give you a total of $5000.  Sign this letter and email a copy back, and send back a signed copy Priority mail with a tracking number also emailed to us, giving us two forms of receipt.  You will totally remove any and all posts from any forum or site that are negative to myself, previous company, or any of the local business doing contract work for me.  This most of all is to include the ĎHitmaní forum, and ripoffreport.com.  This will help in the release or involvement any of these local businesses and individuals that are preparing suits for including slander and intent to do harm would have against you.  As soon as you do this, and it is verified within 48 hours, another check for $3500.00 will be issued to you.  The remaining balance to be received in 21 business days or less.  Your refund letter or agreement with Zak Kampert, who had no authority to do on the companyís behalf and him not being of legal age, was not a proper agreement.  It is to be acknowledged as such.  This releases both parties from any further obligation to each other.  Both parties agree that this will be the conclusion of any professional dealings with the other.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 03, 2012, 08:56:11 PM
Here is a contract that I will sign:
The first contract for the purchase of a fully restored Trans Am was signed by Bob Mcelreath and signed and paid in full in the amount of $15,000 by Edward Thompson on June 4, 2012.  It was to be completed in 10-12 months.  Prior to the contract and payment, Bob Mcelreath verbally reviewed his policy that a full refund would be given to the widow should the original purchaser die before the car was finished.  Edward Thompson died on June 7, 2012 and Bob Mcelreath has received a copy of the death certificate.  Carol Thompson, the widow of Edward Thompson, attempted contact via phone, USPS, and e-mail with Pontiac Pros from June 16th-July 26th without success.  On July 27th, Carol Thompson traveled approximately 250 miles to the Pontiac Pros shop located in Black Mountain, NC.  The employees at the shop called Zak Kampert and informed him that Mrs. Thompson was waiting there for a full refund.  Carol Thompson talked briefly with Zak Kampert and he sent another employee, David, to the Black Mountain Shop with 2 copies of a new contract, voiding the first and promising a full refund within 30 business days.  At no time did Carol Thompson meet with or coerce Mr. Kampert into creating or signing the contract.  At no time on July 27th did Mr. Kampert or any person representing Pontiac Pros reveal that Mr. Kampert was underage and not legally able to sign contracts.  On July 30, 2012 Mrs. Thompson contacted Mr. Mcelreath and he said that he would do everything he could to honor the contract written by his stepson/build coordinator Zak Kampert.  Mr. Mcelreath informed Mrs. Thompson that Mr. Kampert had been left in charge during his absence and he was very sorry that she had not been contacted prior to the 500 mile roundtrip car ride. 
In mid August Mr. Mcelreath sent Mrs. Thompson a $2000 partial refund with a note that he would try to send more of the refund in the next week.  On September 8, 2012, Mr. Mcelreath revealed that the second contract was never valid because it he did not sign it.  He went on to explain that Mr. Kampert was underage and not legally able to sign such a contract.  Mr. Mcelreath also cited a ďwell knownĒ 90 day policy to refund widows as the reason he did not have to refund Mrs. Thompson by September 10 (30 business days after July 27, 2012).
This contract cancels all previous contracts.  Bob Mcelreath agrees to refund Carol Thompson the remaining $13,000 of the $15,000 originally owed.  Carol Thompson acknowledges the $2000 partial payment made in mid August.  $3000 will be sent Priority mail with a signed and notarized copy of the contract by Bob Mcelreath no later than October 8, 2012.  Carol Thompson agrees to update hitmantransam.com and ripoffreport.com of the second partial payment and all future payments made thereafter.  Mr. Mcelreath will send a third partial payment in the amount of $3500 within 48 hours after the updates are made to the websites.  The remaining $6500 will be refunded in full no later than October 31, 2012.  Mr. Mcelreath and Mrs. Thompson agree to only send out information that is 100% accurate via the internet or any other form of communication.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 03, 2012, 09:06:17 PM
At least you got more out of him then I did!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 03, 2012, 09:19:22 PM
Yeah right.  He hasn't agreed to a thing yet.  He puts all these restrictions on things that no one in their right mind would agree to and then throws his hands up when you propose anything more balanced.  I will be happily surprised if he agrees to my version.  I even gave him more time than he asked for.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 03, 2012, 09:19:39 PM
Funny as he has to persuade people to remove negative posts with money , the customers own money ?
Pathetic
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 03, 2012, 09:20:53 PM
He is also spelling better...if he wrote it
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 03, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
Carol? You Slandered Bob? You intended to do harm?.......Sounds like that is exactly what Bob did to you?   
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 03, 2012, 10:06:18 PM
Well Carol, It sounds better than nothing. I am giving you hind sight right now. Take the money and sign the new contract. 21 days goes by too fast. If he renegs the deal then you can repost. I will say that he has lasted longer than I thought he would. If he rips someone else off then let them post online. I am thinking of you and your money. Once this topic runs it's course there will be nothing left. Take the money and run.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 03, 2012, 10:32:46 PM
I appreciate the advice.  I'm leaving everything I have written about Bob up.  I've never lied or even exaggerated about what Bob has done.  I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I thought a family in worse financial shape got taken by him because I recanted.  I will update everything regardless of what he does, good or bad.  Does anyone know what happened to the victim who had cancer or the victim that was a soldier that got swindled while he was overseas?  The worst thing that could happen to me has already been done (not by Bob).  I'd hate for a cancer victim or anyone for that matter to have to spend one precious minute having to fight like I've had to for someone to just do what's decent. 
This is all about what's right and giving people a clear understanding of what could be in store for them if they choose to trust Bob on a build and pay up front.  If the truth harms Bob, is that my fault?  That's a serious question.  A watchdog site, like ripoffreport.com is set up so victims can warn other people.  This site here is to vent or seek information.  Are both slanderous if the truthful information harms the businesses that are crooked?  I don't think so.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 03, 2012, 10:42:18 PM
I totally agree with you and Flounder55. If you feel better posting the facts then I root for you. I just see this kind of thing a lot and in the end no one wins and most people regret not taking the money. Flounder55 will keep fighting the fight. There are the rest of us who will keep this active about Bob. I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with taking your husbands money back. If Bob screws someone else, it's not your fault or Flounder55, or even JGodar's fault. It's Bob's and the person who does business' fault. But definitely do what you believe in.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 03, 2012, 10:45:23 PM
Carol, I agree with you 100%! I would take it a step further. Places like Ebay facilitate the kind of behavior that Bob demonstrates. There needs to be more oversight. The time frame for rating/commenting on a seller needs to be extended in transactions of this type OR do away with these types of auctions.

 I remember a quote ( I forget who said it) " all that's needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 03, 2012, 10:49:15 PM
Carol,

My guess would be that he managed to "gag" the others with similar notes. I hate to see this go on but I'm also assuming that the chunk of change he owes you is probably needed at this time. I hate to say it but I think Jupiter has a point about taking the money and seeing if he renigs. Worst case is that in a few weeks time we'll know if he's changed his colors or if he's still the swine we all take him to be.

In answer to your question, I don't believe the truth hurting his business is your fault, its his own. He's the one who's released these cars stating that they're top quality work. We've seen the evidence in a few cars now - the guy over in Europe from a few years back, Flounder's car, and a couple over on Ebay.

I'll continue to help those that have cars in the build process by pointing out the blatant flaws that are totally correctable and shouldn't have been missed in the first place.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 03, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
I would not fault Carol for taking the money. It's quite a lot. Now i think with her it's more of a principle question than a monetary one.

 Brian, I really glad that you and the others are critiqueing Bob's work. It just reinforces what most of us already know. It also helps Joe and Jay and hopefully other make a more informed decision.

 I'd like to think that the help you guys give will help Bob to build better cars but I doubt that that's his intent. I myself would like to settle with Bob. I've said if we come to a resolution I would anounce it on this site. I WILL NOT be told who I can and cannot talk to. I would refrain from making negative comments about Bob,BAB and Pontiac Pros but Bob has said that I'll take the deal and keep doing what I'm doing..........Guys, I've given my word and that's more valuable then ANY car Bob has in his shop.

  I think , in time, that Bob will start running out of customers but I hope that time comes sooner then later. As for me? As long as Bob and I have unfinnished bussiness........I'M NOT GOING AWAY!

     Thank guy for alll your help in this matter
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on October 04, 2012, 12:01:23 AM
Carol he is wrong , DO NOT TAKE LESS THAN WHAT IS OWED TO YOU .  Stand your ground !
                                                                                                                  JOSH
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on October 04, 2012, 12:14:05 AM
Tawidow, take the deal, remove your post after the agreed payments are made. Then wait for the final payment as agreed upon. If Bob does not complete his end then repost all deletes and add the renig of final payment. It works in your favor and gives you the strings. Don't let principle get in the way.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on October 04, 2012, 12:52:59 AM
carol, as i read it bob is offering about half of what he owes you right? and for that you must remove all neg posts? im guessing that wont be good enough for you.
Title: Sv: Build a Bandit
Post by: mikekop on October 04, 2012, 03:40:36 AM
As I read it, he offered 3000 upon signing the contract, then, when she has removed all negative posts about him, she will get another check for 3500 within 48 h. That's a total of 8500 refund. Then he states that the "remaining balance" will be refunded within 21 business days. Remaining balance should be 6500 in my opinion.
If this can be trusted is a whole different issue...

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Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 04, 2012, 06:39:42 AM
I caught that he never specified the remaining amount owed too.  In my version I added the $6500.  There's no way on earth that I would sign anything without it actually stating every amount.  He writes horribly, but I have a feeling that he knows exactly what he's doing or not doing.  After all his lies and failure to meet deadlines things will have to be 100%  accurate and clear.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 04, 2012, 07:47:33 AM
Carol , here is some food for thought that my Lawyer explained to me. Should ANY of Bob's victims force Bob into bankruptcy the courts "look" back 90 days. If the person being forced into bankruptcy has made ANY payment in the past 90 days the courts force those payments back to the person being bankrupted. That's probably why Bob likes to dole out payments in small bits. It slows the bankruptcy process down conciderably.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 04, 2012, 07:59:47 AM
What do you mean by "force the payments back?"  The person receiving the payments has to pay him back? It makes no sense so I believe it's how the government would set it up.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 04, 2012, 08:20:10 AM
yes, that's what I mean. They do that so that someone filing bankruptcy cannot pay prefered customers to the detriment of his other creditors. That's why they go back 90 days
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 04, 2012, 09:10:20 AM
I'm no attorney but what I heard is that only applies if he paid himself, or family members or anyone not legitimately owed the money. TAwidow would have nothing to worry about.


Take the money and run. Lets see if Bob is actually trying to do the right thing. Either way you win. He pays and goes out of business or he pays you in full and you are made whole again.

Definitely get everything spelled out and in writing signed infront of your lawyers.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 04, 2012, 09:35:58 AM
Jupiter, You heard (read) wrong! Anybody that received a payment in 90 day from the time a person,bussiness has been forced into bankruptcy will be required by the goverment to return those funds to the bankruptcy court....period.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 04, 2012, 10:09:38 AM
Flounder is correct. They are considered preferential payments. The court will take it back to be divided between all his creditors. That is IF he files bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on October 04, 2012, 10:36:07 AM
Carol, I would also like to comment on this proposal from Bob to you. As a few here have already mentioned, I would highly recommend signing the agreement and taking the money. That has to be the number one priority for you. Get the money back ASAP. I am sure Bob will add the dates and dollar amounts to clarify the final balance owed and the date it is due.

That has been your goal and what you deserve from the beginning. I know Bob wants to pay you and he is coming up with the money now and you can put all this behind you in 21 days!

On the bankruptcy subject, I have not filed bankruptcy, but have been thru them with different business partners, (real estate deals) and have been a creditor to people that have filed bankruptcy. This takes a lot of TIME! This will not happen over night and may be a year or more or may never happen. It is very complicated and time consuming. You getting your money now may be the best thing you can do.

As far as your post, there is plenty of information online already. Take yours down, give Bob a chance to fulfill his lastest proposal and take the money. If he falls behind on the payments, then put the post back up..

There comes a point in a negotiation that you can control the outcome. You have that control now. You send him back a list of counter offers and he may not respond and you may still be here months from now still wanting your refund.

Control your fate now and get your money.

Just want to see everyone involved become whole. Thats all... hope it works out..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 04, 2012, 10:55:15 AM
Carol, I would also like to comment on this proposal from Bob to you. As a few here have already mentioned, I would highly recommend signing the agreement and taking the money. That has to be the number one priority for you. Get the money back ASAP. I am sure Bob will add the dates and dollar amounts to clarify the final balance owed and the date it is due.

That has been your goal and what you deserve from the beginning. I know Bob wants to pay you and he is coming up with the money now and you can put all this behind you in 21 days!

On the bankruptcy subject, I have not filed bankruptcy, but have been thru them with different business partners, (real estate deals) and have been a creditor to people that have filed bankruptcy. This takes a lot of TIME! This will not happen over night and may be a year or more or may never happen. It is very complicated and time consuming. You getting your money now may be the best thing you can do.

As far as your post, there is plenty of information online already. Take yours down, give Bob a chance to fulfill his lastest proposal and take the money. If he falls behind on the payments, then put the post back up..

There comes a point in a negotiation that you can control the outcome. You have that control now. You send him back a list of counter offers and he may not respond and you may still be here months from now still wanting your refund.

Control your fate now and get your money.

Just want to see everyone involved become whole. Thats all... hope it works out..

Joe,

  Buddy, you sound like a sell out here, I keep trying to make myself believe you are a straight up, and not an enabler to/for Bob, but this screams  of lets all kiss Bobs a$$.

  TAWIDOW  looses any and all leverage she has if she takes down her posts, there is no way I would sell out early and loose my leverage. (and you cant just put them back up, you would have to start all over again) I would insist on full restitution before I would remove or delete a single thing. If Bob is trying to do the "right" thing, then why does he continue to threaten her with a bogus unfounded slander suit??

  TAWIDOW, stick to your guns and do what YOU think is right.

Dennis
Title: Re: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: trentonmakes on October 04, 2012, 11:01:35 AM
Bob sent a new contract:
10/3/12
Carol Thompson:
Your voicemail and politeness was the instigating gesture in this real and true proposal of a contract for a non-breach of contract refund. This will be notarized and legally binding contract to this affect by both parties involved. The terms will be a check for $3,000.00 will be sent Priority mail with a tracking number.  That check along with the $2000 youíve received will give you a total of $5000.  Sign this letter and email a copy back, and send back a signed copy Priority mail with a tracking number also emailed to us, giving us two forms of receipt.  You will totally remove any and all posts from any forum or site that are negative to myself, previous company, or any of the local business doing contract work for me.  This most of all is to include the ĎHitmaní forum, and ripoffreport.com.  This will help in the release or involvement any of these local businesses and individuals that are preparing suits for including slander and intent to do harm would have against you.  As soon as you do this, and it is verified within 48 hours, another check for $3500.00 will be issued to you.  The remaining balance to be received in 21 business days or less.  Your refund letter or agreement with Zak Kampert, who had no authority to do on the companyís behalf and him not being of legal age, was not a proper agreement.  It is to be acknowledged as such.  This releases both parties from any further obligation to each other.  Both parties agree that this will be the conclusion of any professional dealings with the other.

 Your refund letter or agreement with Zak Kampert, who had no authority to do on the companyís behalf and him not being of legal age, was not a proper agreement.  It is to be acknowledged as such

By agreeing to that, you may be acknowledging and agreeing this was not a legal contract.
I would seek legal advice before signing anything with this douche, unless it simply states monies owed and dates to be paid.

Seems to me he could try paying 3500 and turn around with a signed legal agreement that your prior contract is void.

His shop manager signing a contract on a company letterhead should and i feel would holdup in a court underage or not.
He is solely responsible who he hires to manage his business



Sent From My Fancy Little Thinking Box
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 04, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
Well, that is another idea. that Midyear mentioned. Sorry TAwidow, sounds like you have a hard decision on your plate.

Personally, when it comes to my money I don't let my emotions dictate what goes on.

Here's the Facts:

Bob's got your money
You want your money
Bob doesn't have to give it to you
Bob's trying to give it back to you
If Bob's business stays trashed online whats the point of trying to keep it going and give your money back?
If Bob feels there is hope to save his business by having the attacks stop then that's why he'd give your money back

JGodar isn't a sell out. He's just speaking from the point of view that getting her refund is the objective.

Now if it's worth $13,000.00 to put Bob out of business then it's her money. But a judge isn't easy to understand. They do what they want. He could say TAwidow should have got her money per original agreement or he could say Bob tried numerous times to work with TAwidow and she refused and award Bob. I know the first is what should happen but the later I have seen happen and everyone was like."WTF was the judge smoking that day!".


A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush!






Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 04, 2012, 11:09:05 AM
I would have to agree with having a lawyer double check what bob is trying to do.  Seems strange that he doesn't have the full amount now but will within 3 weeks??? how is that possible
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 04, 2012, 11:13:16 AM
I would have to agree with having a lawyer double check what bob is trying to do.  Seems strange that he doesn't have the full amount now but will within 3 weeks??? how is that possible

Definitely consult a lawyer first. As I said if you do anything do it infront of your lawyer.

As for why would Bob have money in three weeks. It could because of many reasons. Finished cars, sold parts, sold a new project. Doesn't really matter if he's going to make TAwidow whole again.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 04, 2012, 11:16:07 AM
Food for thought:

Build a Bandit goes under. Bob loses his shop and files bankruptcy. Everyone gets nothing.

Bob on the other hand can still build anything he wants and sell them online. He's making offers and his checks are clearing. Hard to prove fraud.

Hate to say it but it's true
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on October 04, 2012, 11:24:28 AM
Just hoping to help and want to see her get her money sooner than later. Trying to win some moral victory does not always put money in the bank..Take that to an attorney and in my opinion, he will say sign it as fast as possible, get your money as fast as possible and forget about this. Bob is trying to pay her, take it and run!
Questioning where he got the money, why he is doing this now and why he needs 3 weeks makes no difference.. Take the money that you have asked for as fast as possible.. ...Just my opinion!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on October 04, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
Carol , here is some food for thought that my Lawyer explained to me. Should ANY of Bob's victims force Bob into bankruptcy the courts "look" back 90 days. If the person being forced into bankruptcy has made ANY payment in the past 90 days the courts force those payments back to the person being bankrupted. That's probably why Bob likes to dole out payments in small bits. It slows the bankruptcy process down conciderably.

This is not true...If wages or something like that have been garnished, some of that mightl be returned in bankruptcy, but payments owed on debts that you paid...never.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 04, 2012, 11:46:39 AM
Just hoping to help and want to see her get her money sooner than later. Trying to win some moral victory does not always put money in the bank..Take that to an attorney and in my opinion, he will say sign it as fast as possible, get your money as fast as possible and forget about this. Bob is trying to pay her, take it and run!
Questioning where he got the money, why he is doing this now and why he needs 3 weeks makes no difference.. Take the money that you have asked for as fast as possible.. ...Just my opinion!

he is just buying time with the three weeks, looks like so many forget how long this and other Bob ordeals go on. just someone name just one of Bobs victims who has received a complete refund? or a properly completed car...

IMHO I would not delete a thing, until Bob makes it right. TAWIDOW has been nothing but upfront and honest throughout her entire ordeal, she has shown her character, and Bob has shown his, and I do believe that Zak is 18, he graduated this year (2012) from high school, I think the minor thing is just another ploy/lie.

and another question for you Joe,  I am curious as to whats gone on with your car in the almost 3 weeks since you were there. I would think there would be new pics of the progress its made. I figured since you are now posting again on this site, and talk to Bob almost every day, we would have some updates and pics.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 04, 2012, 11:59:29 AM
That would be cool. Joe, do you got any updated or pics?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 04, 2012, 12:12:49 PM
Most of us believe that Bob can't be trusted, that's a given. If Bob wanted to show he was a changed man he would refund TA widows money in one lump sum for a contractual agreement that they work out. Afterall, he received the money in a lump sum, it should be dispersed in the same manner.

  I do feel if she and Bob can see eye to eye on the terms she should take the money but I would want it all. She could have lawyer put it in an Escrow account that she or he can't touch till the contract has been fulfilled.

  And joe your right bankruptcy proceedings DO take a long time but the court looks at the 90 days prior to the date the bankruptcy is FILED. Not the court date, not the trial date but the 90 days prior to the filing date.

 That what my lawyer told me.

 Joe , I hope you and Jay and Eli get your cars this month ( think you told me 10/26-28) Please be sure to share your experience. I think it's important that this forum hear ALL sides of this issue not just mine and TA Widow's. I'm glad your back posting again! Communication now more than ever should be free flowing.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on October 04, 2012, 12:17:12 PM
I am waiting on pics myself.. Bob told me my motor was in the shop and going in and he said he would send me pics of that..now I wait...trust me when I tell you that you are preaching to the choir here on how long this takes.. it takes way too long.. that was my point on Carol taking her money.. to be done in 3 weeks would be a victory in itself..again.. my opinion..

I wish Bob would send more pics.. I have told about that many times..I will post any pics I get once I get them. No problem there...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on October 04, 2012, 12:48:52 PM
Carol , here is some food for thought that my Lawyer explained to me. Should ANY of Bob's victims force Bob into bankruptcy the courts "look" back 90 days. If the person being forced into bankruptcy has made ANY payment in the past 90 days the courts force those payments back to the person being bankrupted. That's probably why Bob likes to dole out payments in small bits. It slows the bankruptcy process down conciderably.

Wouldn't that include the things Bob gave to his family to get it out of his name in case of bankruptcy...for instance the trailer parks Bob put in his mom's name that he mentioned in an e-mail to you? Maybe he'll try to stall until the 91st day after he transferred everything.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: trentonmakes on October 04, 2012, 01:00:26 PM
Curious
Has any taken him to small claims court ???

with all these emails im sure you have a pretty strong case. May be worth another trip to file one and you dont need a lawyer to file or proceed in small claims court.
You have alot of evidence showing he owes you a refund!!!!


Sent From My Fancy Little Thinking Box
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 04, 2012, 01:03:18 PM
Rikki, That's a great question that I posed to my lawyer. The statute regarding those types of transactions ( call non-consideration) are 1 year. So if Bob transfered something to his Mom with the last year the court could rule that it was done in an effort to hide assets and take possesion of that property(money anything worth value) and redistribute it to his secured creditors. Carol and myself are considered unsecured creditors so we would be last on the list......if there is anything left by then.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 04, 2012, 02:06:28 PM
Hey I guys I'm not realy sure but does my headlamp grill look straight now? I spent all morning taking them off and putting them back on the RIGHT way...

Umm...This particular post is regarding a business in NC called "Build-A-Bandit". They also go by "Pontiac Pros" or "Common Man Restorations", "Pick-A-Pony", etc.

I'm not quite sure your post is regarding them. You may want to post this over in the Tech section along with a good high quality, and large, photo of the issue at hand.

BTW: Welcome to 78TA. Pictures of your car are a requirement to satisfy the angry mob. We're all picture whores so head over into the General section and post up some more details on your car and yourself since this is your first post here...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: trentonmakes on October 04, 2012, 02:10:13 PM
Maybe bob installed his grilles:))
Lmao

Sent From My Fancy Little Thinking Box
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 04, 2012, 02:26:53 PM
I think you're giving Bob a little too much credit. I don't think he can install anything...just look at Flounder's car!  ;D

Sorry...that was just sitting out there waiting for someone to take a swing and I figured I might as well try to nail it over the fence!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 04, 2012, 04:23:47 PM
Joe, I think that you're listening and actually believing Bob.  That'll just leave you very disappointed.  This is the very first time since my husband paid him on June 4th that Bob has put anything forward to me in writing that specifically states how and when he will repay me. That's a few days shy of a third of a year ago now.  He has made incredulous lies about me and my husband.  He has answered a few of my questions in vague and contradictory ways, but this was the very first specific, dated thing he has made about my refund. 

I just don't get why you keep saying that Bob has been trying to repay me.  He did give me a partial refund.  13% in mid August.  He still owes me 87% or $13000.  I appreciated the partial payment.  It paid for my kids' beds and a computer my son needed for school.  Since then he's sent other people e-mails about how much he's tried, but the truth is that he hasn't done a thing but lie about me or to me before and since that partial payment.  How is that trying???  I am the one that has to contact him.  After the 0 out of 50 or more attempts at the beginning, I only get a response from maybe 1 out of every 5 calls or e-mails to him.  They are either vague and noncommittal (ie I'll do the best I can) or they're filled with lies or they're too confusing to understand - like he starts one sentence and then stops abruptly and starts a new one without finishing either thought.    Any noncommittal promise comes to absolutely nothing and then he sends out a bulk e-mail as to why it's somehow my fault and threatens to sue me.  Please explain to me what he has done to try to actually help me (not him) before this??? 

His attempt now is simply to have me remove the truth about what he has done.  It is beyond my power to remove anything from the ripoffreport site.  It is not allowed.  I would breach the contract the second I signed.  Bob knows this and I would bet he banks on it.  I am only allowed to amend it, which I have done and am still willing to do - I have offered to do it in my contract.  As far as the bit about his stepson - the whole thing was ridiculous.  He's the one who said he left him in charge.  The guys at his shop called Zak to deal with me when I got there.  Zak said that he and another coworker would create the contract and then Zak had someone else drop it off.  If he really is underage, shouldn't any of these people have told me before 1 business day to the deadline that he was just a kid?  Bob kept the whole age thing a secret until September 8.  Bob even gave me a partial refund because of the contract.  I would think that would enforce it's legality.  Then he pulls the crap in the bulk e-mail about me coercing this poor defenseless kid.  I never met the kid! How is any of that helping me???  It really irks me that you or anyone would try to say that he's tried.

Here's an easy way to pay someone that you owe money to - you send them a check.  It's really that easy.  I've done it a couple times and it hasn't hurt a bit.  When they cash it, it's proof that they received it.  We've had a contract since July 27th.  He's acknowledged that he owes me the money.  What is the hold up?  My complaints just increase the more he refuses to pay me and the more he continues to lie about me.  The day he repaid me the $2000 I reported it on here.  I've offered to continue updating both the good and the bad.  It's only in his best interest that he finally do the right thing.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 04, 2012, 04:41:59 PM
Carol, you are completely right . I would "see" if Bob would agree to put all the monies that are owed you in an escrow account that is controled by a lawyer. Then if you two can work out a contract and you fulfill the terms then the monies are forwarded to you.

 It's just a thought. As you said he should just pay you but we both know that won't happen without you at least jumping through a few hoops.

  Karma...........it will run full circle
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: smfcpthowdy on October 04, 2012, 10:27:33 PM
A friend, and a fellow member of my car club bought his T/A from Build A Bandit.
Now I don't know what the story is here, but I do know that my friend was not happy with the car he bought from them.
That's all I know. He did not go into too many details about his deal with them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 05, 2012, 06:17:12 AM
A friend, and a fellow member of my car club bought his T/A from Build A Bandit.
Now I don't know what the story is here, but I do know that my friend was not happy with the car he bought from them.
That's all I know. He did not go into too many details about his deal with them.

Im amazed your friend received a car at this point.  How long ago did he buy it?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 07:51:18 AM
Welcome to T/A HITMAN SMF! Maybe you could get your friend to join and he could share his experience with Bob the bandit as well as his car troubles. There are PLENTY of smart T/A guys on here that might be able to help him with his troubles.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on October 05, 2012, 12:55:05 PM
A friend, and a fellow member of my car club bought his T/A from Build A Bandit.
Now I don't know what the story is here, but I do know that my friend was not happy with the car he bought from them.
That's all I know. He did not go into too many details about his deal with them.

another unhappy customer...what a surprise
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
Photos of my (un)build coming soon.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on October 05, 2012, 02:02:03 PM
Carol, I hope you know I want you to get your money as much as anyone! I truly do..

I do speak to Bob on a regular basis and encourage him to fix these issues too. I have seen 2 checks made out in your name and to think that you may not get them makes me sick to my stomach.

I said Bob "is trying" to pay you now, not "has been trying". Just to be clear. Also, to rehash the HE SAID, SHE SAID about the last 3-4 months does not really matter. Today he has the money, today he is trying to pay you, today he owes you the money, so today, GET THE MONEY.

By everyones account here, Bob is as close to bankruptcy as anyone can be. If that is true, your checks with your names today, become worthless tomorrow. If you get a letter in the mail about his bankruptcy and you are named as a creditor, then  like Founder said, forget about ever getting anything. Or Bob could get tired of your situation, and another unhappy client gets his ear and the money that was meant for you, goes to someone else. Both of these situations are very real.

I promise I wont bother you any more about this as I feel I have let you know how I feel. I would really suggest you do seek an attorneys advice. I would think they would tell you the same thing. Take the money as fast as possible.
I hope this works out for you.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 02:52:03 PM
Joe...you say you've seen or know of 2 checks that have carol's name on them? Great...! Bob can put them in an Esceow fund for a lawyer to handle....That way the funds are in a 3rd party's hands. Once they come to a contractual agreement the funds are released.   That can't be too hard. Bob should try to show good faith here.

 I'm sure once Carol could validate that the funds actually DO exist an agreement will be forthcoming between the two. It's just that simple AND easy.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 05, 2012, 03:27:21 PM
Joe,
Are you the mediator here?  Bob's shown you the checks?  So you're one of the clients and potential customers  that he's whining to about how unreasonable I am and how he bends over backwards to help me.  My demands are so terrible.  I want to get my refund.  That's my sole demand.  I haven't asked him to recant the numerous lies he's made about me and my husband.  He's told people that my husband never paid (bulk e-mail that no one paid him since June 1st) - LIE.  He's told people that I've slandered him - LIE.  He's told people that I coerced his stepson - LIE.  He's told people that he's been trying to work with me all along - LIE.  He's told people that I knew of his "well known" 90 day policy - LIE.  He had a 60 day well known policy just the month before.  Both news to me and both don't matter since he's missed them all.  Need I go on???  I haven't asked for interest.  Since he is way overdue on my refund it's a fair thing to ask for.  I haven't demanded that he repay me for the mileage and gas on my car that I had to shell out because he couldn't pick up a phone or type a one sentence e-mail in nearly 2 months.  I think I've been the one bending over backward, not him.   

Even if you ignore everything else and focus on the here and now, I'm still the only one trying to come to a resolution here.  I sent him a reasonable contract  on Wednesday in response to his contract.  I've e-mailed a list of things I can or cannot do if he'd like to write a third contract up.  I've called him. I haven't received one reply to any of that yet.  The contract he sent me cannot be agreed to.  There are things on it that are simply beyond my power to do - like delete anything from ripoffreport.com.  I would breach the contract and he wouldn't have to pay me the remaining $9500.  I'm not willing to lose $9500 because he won't reword the contract.  He can read my contract and make amendments to it if he'd like until we reach an agreement.  He hasn't done it yet and hasn't told me when he plans to work anything out.  His mediator is a work of fiction and another lie as far as I know.  If he does exist, he should be fired.  I haven't heard from him yet.

I saw the checks too.  They look very pretty on the computer and he even managed to spell my name right on both.  They haven't made it to my mailbox yet.  I could write you a check for a million dollars.  If I don't send it to you, how would that be of any use???  He's great at showing people things, but not so great at actually doing them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 03:41:57 PM
http://www.allmusclecars.com/pontiacpros.html
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 05, 2012, 03:49:43 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpengine27.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on October 05, 2012, 03:53:01 PM
I am surprised to read Joe saw those checks. #1, Bob should not be showing anything to anyone dealing with funds and contracts. #2, even if he did that was 3 or 4 weeks ago and TAWIDOW has yet to receive them. Maybe they were phony to begin with and an attempt to show his good will. If so, that is a whole new low and evidence, valuable evidence,  he knows what he is doing and is manipulating everyone involved. Put that evidence in the car!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 03:53:38 PM
thanks for helping midyear
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 05, 2012, 04:03:33 PM
All you need to do is copy and paste your full link to the images inbetween the following (replace the "{" with "[" instead):

{img}http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpbackwardsbolts.jpg{/img}

When you do that, the following appears:

(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpbackwardsbolts.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 05, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
Geesh I didn't even notice but what the hell happened to those bushings? They're dry rotted!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 05, 2012, 04:06:13 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpengine21.jpg)

What did he do? Just paint the visible part of the core support??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:25:02 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptawindhole.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:26:16 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptadoorrust.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:30:13 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpengine24.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:31:13 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpfendercrack.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:32:24 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpbfbumper3.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:34:24 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpbfbumper2.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:35:19 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpengine26.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:36:18 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpengine28.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:38:34 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gppfbondo2.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:39:34 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gppfbondo.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:40:57 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpgreasehood3.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:41:29 PM
Guys feel free to comment
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
My internet is running really slow. I have more pics but this will suffice for now.    Did anyone notice the steering column bolts were upside down?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:48:34 PM
notice no nut on the motor mount bolt!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:52:29 PM
notice the fenders were they pulled out several dents
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 04:57:45 PM
Tried to use fiberglass to repair fender/bumper
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:07:51 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpsub5.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:08:47 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpsub4.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:09:44 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpsub3.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:11:48 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpfirewall11.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpcore20.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:14:43 PM
That's pretty rusty.....now Joe, Jay. Eli.......... you know what to look for.....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:16:23 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpgreasehood1.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 05:19:25 PM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gpbfbumper1.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 05, 2012, 05:35:17 PM
Those motor mounts are fabricated to fit the 400. WTF!  I do like the high school bondo job on the front fender though. I had to look twice
to be sure my eyes were not failing me again.  Whatta HACK!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 06:13:31 PM
on a positive note....the VIN plate on the dash matched the VIN behind the A/C suitcase
Title: Build a Bandit
Post by: eroc022 on October 05, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Wow ! I'm speechless and not in a good way
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 05, 2012, 07:20:34 PM
OK...JGODAR, why are these pics not on your sight...if you are truly going to post the good and the bad, then why not put these pics out there as well?? (um...cause Bob might get mad??)

lets see, home made engine mounts with out nuts, trans cross member not bolted in, fresh paint over dirt, grease and rust. urethane bumper repaired with fiberglass, no speedometer gear or housing, home made trans shift cable mounts, core support rusty on one side and bent on the other, upper control arm bolts installed backwards, worn out bushings on a car that all rubber was supposed to be new, all suspension supposed to be rebuilt...and...was this a result of George being impatient and wanting his car done?? lack of quality abounds on this car, and the only one to blame for it should be Bob, its his company, his employees, and his build, I bet the brakes are not new either, probably lucky to have new pads.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on October 05, 2012, 07:26:28 PM
ya'll don't forget Bob had 2 weeks to finish the job and it was pulled against his advise ( i am being sarcastic)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 05, 2012, 07:31:15 PM
ya'll don't forget Bob had 2 weeks to finish the job and it was pulled against his advise ( i am being sarcastic)

Yah, I heard Bob had expected "overhaulen" to show up and bail him out...lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 05, 2012, 08:25:14 PM
Joe, if you would like some of these pictures to post on your facebook page I'd be happy to send them to you. I know your page is designed for your build but you posted the pictures of that GTO so i thought you might want to show both sides of the story. Afterall I invited you HERE to give your side of this story because I didn't want people to just hear what I had to say. They should get another side as well. I know you want all sides of this story to be told as I do so come on......reciprocate and post some of my pics attached to your facebook site like you did for the GTO. It's only fair!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 05, 2012, 09:29:28 PM
I think that last one on the bottom of page 38 should be the album cover.  What the heck part of the car is it?  Did one of Bob's workers explain why it was in that shape or were they hoping that you wouldn't notice part of the car fall off if you hit a bump.  I readily admit that I know next to nothing about cars, but I don't think that looks fully restored.  That paint job is fab too.  I think the same painter worked in my house after it got hit by lightning last year.  Thankfully a room is a little easier to fix than a car.

How's Bob bending over backwards to help you working out?  Has he responded to you recently?  He talks with Joe often enough, you'd think he take a couple minutes to contact any other victim.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 06, 2012, 05:18:55 PM
Sent JGodar some pics of my car to post on his facebook page.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 06, 2012, 07:05:05 PM
Do you have a link for that page?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 06, 2012, 07:13:30 PM
http://build-a-bandit.com/my-build-pics/#comment-200

I doubt Joe's going to put anything on that site though that's negative.  I was lucky enough to talk at Bob this afternoon.  Joe and Eli are his liaison's with the Attorney General's office.  Not exactly sure why and I really don't care, just strengthens my opinion of the two of them.  It sure explains why Joe would encourage me to sign a contract that would cause me to lose $10,000. 
Heck of a guy.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 06, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
I find it interesting that no new pics of any of the 3 cars (Joe, Jay, and Eli) have surfaced in the last 3 weeks. If Bob has become such a "great guy" um...guys...were is the picture proof of any progress on your cars.....don't tell me he may not meet the expected deadline....uh oh...almost sounds like flounders Bob now...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 06, 2012, 07:58:57 PM
So T/A ?   Did Bob tell you that Joe and Eli are a liason to the AG's office or is that just your opinion?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 06, 2012, 09:37:34 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-1977-Trans-Am-T-Top-Great-Ride-/290783580015?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b40d4f6f
 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-1977-Trans-Am-T-Top-Great-Ride-/290783580015?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b40d4f6f)

Found this!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 06, 2012, 10:22:48 PM
It was all Bob.  I had asked how he had time to e-mail pictures of the checks to other clients but didn't have time to e-mail me a reply to the contract.  He claimed that he wasn't supposed to be talking to me at all because everything had to go through the mediator.  When I asked why the mediator hadn't contacted me yet since every deadline was past he claimed that he didn't have any contract with me right now and he needs that before the mediator can contact me.  Makes perfect sense.  I guess he doesn't even include the one he had with my husband.  He said that Joe and Eli are sending all his messages to the Attorney General's office and that's why he gave them a copy of the picture of the checks.  I got an e-mail from the AG's office telling me that she'd heard from another of Bob's consumers (I guess Joe) that I'd been issued 2 more checks dated October 3.  She wanted to know when the checks clear.  Bob needs to send the checks first.  Funny he and Joe never mentioned to her that the contract would automatically reduce the amount by $10,000.  He sure is a changed guy.

Bob said something about doing everything he could, but he didn't have any more money.  I asked again what happened to the $15,000 that we gave him in June and he said he was looking for it and over $100,000 too.  Aww, I feel so bad.  It's not every day that you misplace over $100,000 of other people's money that was directly wired into your account.  It couldn't be his fault.  Maybe we could take up a collection and put up an ad in his local paper asking if anyone's seen the money.  I've said it before, if he has 35 victims out there right now then it's a hell of a lot more than $100,000.  Closer to or over $500,000.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 07, 2012, 08:29:44 AM
TAWIDOW, So what did the AG say to you? Did you file a police report in your town? Did you file a police report in Bob's town? Do you live in the same state as Bob? If not did you file a complaint with your AG? I am just wondering what steps you took?

Here's something the local news loves. They love airing drama. You need to put together your whole story and gather as many people who are going through the same problem as you. Then you need to contact all the local stations in Bob's county. If you they decide to run the story they will hound the AG, Police, and Bob until he's locked up in jail. Gather as much info as you can to make it easier for this to happen.

I feel Bob had more than enough time to make right after he supposedly seen the light.

I would file a lawsuit against Bob and name Joe and Eli in it, and do not forget to name Ebay as they were the company to introduce you to Bob. Let a Judge decide each person's role.

If you know any of the people that you spoke to in Bob's organization, name them personally in it too. This will tend to get the truth flowing.

If you talk to a Lawyer and he says he wants to write letters first, GET A NEW LAWYER as most lawyers are lame.

Find one and tell him to file the lawsuit in your state so that Bob has to respond through your state as he contracted through your husband in your state.

That's about all I got. I've been through this and this is what I went through so I know it can work.

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 07, 2012, 09:44:18 AM
TA , Joe is not an accurate conduit/source for the AG to be getting unbiased information from. Next time you communicate with that office this probably should be brought to light.

 Joe, I realize that your doing what you feel is in YOUR best interests. I don't expect you to post my pics on your facebook page because it is NOT in your best interests. You came here because showing pics of your car or getting answers was in YOUR best interests . I'm starting to see a pattern here.

 Joe you should not be privy to what checks Bob writes to other clients. Make no mistake Carol IS a client regardless of Bob's denials.
   There is a right way and easy way to do things. The RIGHT way takes more time, effort, and sometimes more sacrifice. The easy way......well it's easy.....Like painting over rust instead grinding it out or replaceing the part altogether. Let's see if Bob decides to do things the right way or the easy way. We both know what his track record is don't we?
 If you DO get a car ( and I hope you do) everytime you get in it and turn the key your gonna wonder " will this be the day " , " better not go too far just in case".
 October is fast approaching.........will Bob be on time...for once? Did he take the easy way out to build your car? Who knows. If he did? You CAN"T fault him.....you did the same thing, so it will be all right.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 07, 2012, 10:07:55 AM
Jupiter,
I have contacted the police in North Carolina.  I was told that I still could not file a criminal complaint because Bob is doing the bare minimum to still count as working.  I have looked into filing in my state of Georgia and I can't even sue him in Georgia because his shop is in North Carolina much less charge him with theft.  That stinks because I could take him to small claims court here and not have to get a lawyer.  North Carolina has a much lower threshhold for small claims.  I have been working directly with the Attorney General's office - she's well aware that Joe and Eli are fully and inexplicably on Bob's side now.  I don't think that she believes everything they have to say. 

I have been very late getting her a full update, but she has gotten the overall picture of my case.  I'm currently working 2 volunteer jobs that are taking up much more than a full time job and trying to deal with my husband's paperwork and being a single parent.  I know that half the kids in the country have single parents and they do a lot more than me, but this is all new.  Ms. Davis has been very patient.  I'm hoping to get her the full update by tonight.

I think that Joe has shown his character here.  I hope he gets the car he wants and he paid for and gets out of everyone else's business.  Every one of Bob's victims seems to have seen Joe's "advice" for what it is - help for Joe and not them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 07, 2012, 11:20:39 AM
It's hard to feel pitty when you say you volunteer 2 jobs and claim to not have enough time to go after bob.

If your husband signed contracts in Ga then Bob's business was in Ga. So then it would be up to a Judge to decide where they'll hear your complaint.

As for Bob working has nothing to do with not providing you a refund. If your husband did not get a contract from Bob that states this then you lose unfortunately.

I would call the news media in NC and see if they'll run your story. Then you can post that story on youtube and all over the net. See if Flounder will call the news too. The more victims the more the news will find a story.


All I can say is Bob should have just stroked you a check and moved on.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 07, 2012, 12:00:51 PM
I've been fortunate to stay home since my oldest was born.  I've been heavily involved with their school and extra curricular activities.  Everything I've read recommends staying as constant as possible after the loss like we've had.  I've chosen to stay on with the volunteer jobs that were already in place before this mess with Bob started.  Thankfully both are just really busy at the start of the school year.  This is the last really busy week and then it goes back to a more manageable schedule and I'll catch up on all the things I've let slide.  Bob has been looked into by the police and AG's office for years and for dozens upon dozens of victims.  I don't think my delay will cause anything to fall through the cracks.  I also don't think that it's holding up how fast Bob chooses to repay me.  I have been keeping my communication, or attempts at communication, current with him through e-mail and phone calls. 

You are mistaken about where people can sue.  Look up small claims and Georgia law on the GA government site.  Try and start up a claim (obviously don't hit send).  If you look down the page it's crystal clear that you can only sue people that live in or have their shop in GA.  Otherwise they direct you to go to the defendant's state site for the defendant's state's rules.

I have contacted the various news agencies twice now with no response from anyone.  I've only done it via e-mail.  I'll look into calling and actually speaking with someone tomorrow.  I've also considered taking out an ad in his paper to report his behavior.  I hesitate doing that only because Bob's vicitm base is from all over the world.  Not too many people get the Ashville paper.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 07, 2012, 01:21:14 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-1977-Trans-Am-T-Top-Great-Ride-/290783580015?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b40d4f6f
 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-1977-Trans-Am-T-Top-Great-Ride-/290783580015?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b40d4f6f)

Found this!

I see it hasn't been removed yet ?
This auction is sure deceiving as you would think your buying a finished product but in fact your buying a car in the state of being restored .the description is very vague



Quote
1977 Trans Am T-Top Restored.  New eBay account to share my passion.  400 350HP Automatic.  All power, air conditioning.  Recreation of Smokey and the Bandit look.  Sounds bad to the bone.  Great condition.  Questions thru eBay email.  I am Trans Am people.


He is TransAm people . Lmao!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on October 07, 2012, 01:27:57 PM
I have contacted the various news agencies twice now with no response from anyone.  I've only done it via e-mail.  I'll look into calling and actually speaking with someone tomorrow.  I've also considered taking out an ad in his paper to report his behavior.  I hesitate doing that only because Bob's vicitm base is from all over the world.  Not too many people get the Ashville paper.

http://www.wral.com/5onyourside/consumer_complaints/page/1001542/

This is the complaint form to fill out for WRAL in Raleigh, NC.  Monica Laliberte does these segments http://www.wral.com/5onyourside/
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 07, 2012, 01:41:58 PM
I have contacted the various news agencies twice now with no response from anyone.  I've only done it via e-mail.  I'll look into calling and actually speaking with someone tomorrow.  I've also considered taking out an ad in his paper to report his behavior.  I hesitate doing that only because Bob's vicitm base is from all over the world.  Not too many people get the Ashville paper.

http://www.wral.com/5onyourside/consumer_complaints/page/1001542/

This is the complaint form to fill out for WRAL in Raleigh, NC.  Monica Laliberte does these segments http://www.wral.com/5onyourside/

I'd get ahold of dateline. It's never a good thing when Chris Hansen is on your doorstep lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 07, 2012, 01:52:05 PM
Thanks Rikki,Rain.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 07, 2012, 01:52:42 PM
By the way...I put a new ad up on Ebay!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 07, 2012, 01:54:56 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/partially-restored-Trans-am-Swannanoa-Fairview-NC-area-shop-/271076007183?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f1d639d0f
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 07, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
Flounder those are some fairly hi res photos you posted on your auction . Should give people a pretty good idea
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 07, 2012, 05:04:20 PM
TA I have to appologize for being short with you. I understand the whole keeping busy thing.

I will sya I am no attorney but I was under the impression the court to go to is where the activity took place. If bob mailed you the contract to your husband and he signed it in GA you should be able to sue in Ga.

I hope the news agencies are looking for ratings cause if so they'll pick up your story.

Now for part 2:

After you file your complaint with the news, if we can get everyone here to call them making inquiries to Bob the Bandit then that will help too.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 07, 2012, 05:40:49 PM
ok Jupiter start calling WRAL and WLOS 13 have been notified!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 07, 2012, 05:57:52 PM
I'll be happy to.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on October 07, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
TAWIDOW, can you not get Bob for mail fraud or wire fraud? That is a bigger deal than small claims court. With contracts being sent by mail and money being wired, seems like both apply.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 07:12:19 AM
I was told that it's too hard to prove that his intent was to just steal the money all along since he is "working" on cars.  6-8 out of the 35 he stole from, but he IS working.  And then you have people like Joe and Eli who spout how great the guy is and how much he's trying to turn thins around.  They basically blame the victims for all things bad in this situation and it makes it even harder for the AG to do things.  Gotta love our government sometimes.  The police' hands are tied.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 08, 2012, 07:42:46 AM
  And then you have people like Joe and Eli who spout how great the guy is and how much he's trying to turn thins around.  They basically blame the victims for all things bad in this situation and it makes it even harder for the AG to do things. 

from Joe's website: " This site is dedicated to the people who are building a Trans Am with Build A Bandit aka Pontiacpros of Fairview or Ashville NC. If you have a build going on with them, or have already received your car, we want to hear from you. Send us your photos and your story. We will post them here."

then were is Flounders car? were is your story TAWIDOW?? if he is an upstanding honest guy trying to do the right thing...they would/should be there as well as the several more Bob the bandit has sent him to post. I guess unless the pics and story come through Bob, or are Bob approved they cant go on Joe's site.

This is a quote from one of the latest other builds: "These are from Mr. Williams, he has been very honest and that is what I told him to do. He was 6 months or so late on his build. For 14k he got a 28k car. He wasnít happy with me because of the lateness, but now weíre best of friends because of the quality. The cars are not leaving till I would be proud to own it myself. These are the only photos he sent us."

nice statement in what appears to be Bobs own well known excellent writing skills....lol

Joe, really??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 08, 2012, 07:53:28 AM
good point midyear.  I can see him making a stink about george's car because he "took it before it was finished"  but he has no reason not to post TA Widows story
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 08, 2012, 08:00:06 AM
good point midyear.  I can see him making a stink about george's car because he "took it before it was finished"  but he has no reason not to post TA Widows story

But lets remember this too, its not supposed to be "Bobs website" now is it. Joe Godar is proclaiming to be neutral and fair, so why then can he not follow his own statements on his own website? because he is "SCARED" to tick off Bob.

once again I say it: "were are the new pics??" Joe, Jay, Eli?? going on a month, Bob can run auctions, email scores of pictures to potential new victims, but cant send any on your cars?? his greatest 3 fans?? seems kinda fishy to me...probably still blaming flounder, that excuse should work for the next few years...lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 08, 2012, 08:07:50 AM
KJ, If they want to post my pics with a caveat saying " here is a car that was pull 2 weeks from completion" I'm cool with that. Did you see the body bushings? Did you see the homemade motor mounts? Did you see the rusty front support ( I guess that's what you call it)? What happened to metal goes back where metal was? That's a quote off of one of Bob's Ebay ads. They don't use it anymore!
 As far as TA goes, they have nothing to show.....not even dollar signs. Now more than ever I feel there is a need to keep the pressure on Bob. Especially through the end of this month. He has been on here reading the posts but has yet to comment.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 08, 2012, 08:08:58 AM
He meaning Joe
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 08:17:06 AM
Just for laughs - Here's a couple of old e-mails from our friend Bob.  I'll have the update for the AG this morning.

Here's part of a bulk e-mail he sent to all his current victims concerning George's horrible deceitfulness:
Because of the lies and deceitfulness of one customer, we will not release any car before I am finished and it is a complete restoration. For the many customers that had arrangements to take their vehicle early, with minutes of work left to be done, you can now see my stand on that. You can thank Mr. Payne.

This one was sent to me when I corrected him on why he wasn't early on the partial refund, he just wasn't late:
No, matter if you were the president the only way I ever refund on builds is a termination during the build which is your case and the the company's process on that was clearly stated at purchase within 60 business days is howís thatís proceeds a former employee did that in half for you.So no Itís shouldnít have been done any different then policy. BOB
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 08:20:06 AM
You have to laugh or you'll scream.  This man is so corrupt.  Augh!!!

As to my story being on Joe's website - I've never asked.  I don't have a build going on, so I didn't think to ask for my story to be up there.  I have stated what he's done to me in one or two of the threads. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 08, 2012, 08:27:35 AM
Damn TA, wonder why I did not get that bulk Email? I'm crushed!.

 Can you reveal what the AG's told you?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 08:51:09 AM
Nothing yet - I have to give her the update.  It's 17 pages so far with just the lies that Bob's sent me and everyone else.  Now I have to add my e-mails to him.  I'll send you the copy of the bulk one I copied from earlier.  Sorry, I thought that you had gotten it already. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on October 08, 2012, 09:15:07 AM
If Flounder is willing, can you submit his e-mails/pics/story,etc to the AG to help your case?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 09:34:42 AM
I believe that she has Flounder's story and e-mails.  She has more than just our sob stories.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 08, 2012, 09:53:59 AM
This is true....they have it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 08, 2012, 10:18:04 AM

probably still blaming flounder, that excuse should work for the next few years...lol

It worked for Obama!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 08, 2012, 12:32:54 PM
Well Flounder, it appears that you're going to keep uncovering more problems with your "almost complete" car. From the disassembly photos, it looks like anything that was visible was addressed but if something could hide a defect - such as the battery hiding the battery tray & core support - then it was overlooked. Every bolt you unturn, just continues to amaze me. How on earth did Bob miss all this in such a high quality build???
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 02:40:38 PM
Keep your fingers crossed.  I just got off the phone with someone from WLOS.  They'd seen George's story too.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 08, 2012, 02:48:32 PM
Yet another auction . Hopefully it runs out of time before another TA enthusiast has his dreams crushed

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Trans-Am-T-top-no-reserve-Sharp-/290783579313?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item43b40d4cb1#ht_500wt_948
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 08, 2012, 02:56:20 PM
Well Flounder, it appears that you're going to keep uncovering more problems with your "almost complete" car. From the disassembly photos, it looks like anything that was visible was addressed but if something could hide a defect - such as the battery hiding the battery tray & core support - then it was overlooked. Every bolt you unturn, just continues to amaze me. How on earth did Bob miss all this in such a high quality build???
Well in bobs defense he did say he's fired the entire crew , and hopefully the new guys do better work . And I understand bob is overseeing all the work being done now for quality control ,so you have to give bob credit for trying to correct all the issues plaguing his shop .I'm beginning to think he's a stand up guy  (j/k)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 08, 2012, 03:03:12 PM
Im betting on the latter.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 03:19:02 PM
Wahoo!  I spoke directly with people from FOX, ABC, and NBC.  I left a voicemail for CBS.

I hope that at least one will pan out.

I wish that I had called a few months ago, then maybe things would be all set by now.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 08, 2012, 03:23:43 PM
Wahoo!  I spoke directly with people from FOX, ABC, and NBC.  I left a voicemail for CBS.

I hope that at least one will pan out.

I wish that I had called a few months ago, then maybe things would be all set by now.
Wow this could be very interesting ! I was hoping for dateline though  . Nothing like Chris Hansen standing on your doorstep lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JoshRiess on October 08, 2012, 04:17:12 PM
RAINMAN don't drink the Kool-Aide!
                               JOSH
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 08, 2012, 05:11:29 PM
Bob has extended ALL of his ads. They were set to expire today but 5 more days have been added.Bet he did not get the monies he expected to get. Guess I'll have to add more days to my ad as well.....poor Bob (LOL). He should have settled with me. I think it's costing him more than the 4plusK that I had asked for.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 05:52:22 PM
Don't bet on that George.  He told me that he was up to 38 "customers" today.  He starts them on e-bay and then settles off their site.  It avoids e-bay fees and doesn't give people that option of complaining to anyone when he steals from them. 

The longer he keeps things on e-bay the more people he reaches.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 08, 2012, 05:55:13 PM
Carol, Your probably right. I'm still posting!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 08, 2012, 06:48:04 PM
RAINMAN don't drink the Kool-Aide!
                               JOSH

Honestly Chris , I just brought some cookies and milk
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on October 08, 2012, 07:16:59 PM
He starts them on e-bay and then settles off their site.  It avoids e-bay fees
Isn't that alone against ebay policy?

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 08, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
Ya think?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 08, 2012, 08:33:49 PM
Of course it's against e-bay rules, but how do you prove it? 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 08, 2012, 08:43:48 PM
Of course it's against e-bay rules, but how do you prove it? 
X2
I was thinking the same thing
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 09, 2012, 08:00:47 AM
Yep difficult/impossible to prove unfortunately. BAB/Pontiac Pros has been brought to the attention of Ebay several times and they still allow this yahoo to post away. I'd consider them an accessory at this point. I wonder what the AG would think of that??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 09, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
You could prove it by calling and posing as a potential client.  That's about all I could think of.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 09, 2012, 09:10:32 AM
new pics of the UNbuild of my Bob mobile.

(http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptafbrake.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 09, 2012, 09:18:42 AM
And so the process begins......
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 09, 2012, 09:48:07 AM
Paint or powder coat? Either way it looks VASTLY improved over the previous coverup.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 09, 2012, 10:01:16 AM
I'm assuming paint
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: TransAm_Stan on October 09, 2012, 01:19:50 PM
Not meaning to shove a stick in anyone's eye....

Flounder, if your going to post restoration pics/ comments, you need to start a thread in the restoration section. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 09, 2012, 01:45:10 PM
Stan , under normal circumstances I would agree but this IS a Build a Bandit car. Once all the previous builder's flaws are uncovered I WILL move it. Thank you for bringing that to light
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 09, 2012, 01:58:34 PM
George,

I would agree that we should have some photos in here of your car but I would put just the bad ones from before any additional work was done.  I would hate it if someone came online and didn't read the thread but saw pictures of your car and thought that they were before and afters from Build a bandit work!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 09, 2012, 02:10:20 PM
Yeah I could agree with that. Post up the bad photos here in this thread then start an entire new thread over at the Resto section that shows how things are being fixed. That way there's no doubt as to who did what.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 09, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
Agreed
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 09, 2012, 03:13:22 PM
but if you could post a link to your new thread on here that way i don't have to go find it :)  i am very curious to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 09, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
Not meaning to shove a stick in anyone's eye....

Flounder, if your going to post restoration pics/ comments, you need to start a thread in the restoration section. 
x2
That's all we need , unsuspecting visitors thinking bab does quality work . Remove those frame pics and start a new thread in restoration and put the link in your sig the same way I did my gallery
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 09, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
new thread........http://www.78ta.com/HTAF/index.php?topic=39955.msg413733#new................
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: smfcpthowdy on October 09, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
Is this the same as build a bandit?

http://www.pontiacpros.com/7501.html
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 09, 2012, 10:06:13 PM
One in the same!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 09, 2012, 11:57:49 PM
I see guests often on this thread  . Makes me wonder if its people from BAB?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 10, 2012, 07:47:20 AM
I'm calling the news today. I'm gonna pitch a complaint asking why no one has done anything with Bob O Bandit.


If more people here call the more likely they will run a story
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Dark T/A on October 10, 2012, 12:13:16 PM
I have been following this thread and just wanted to show something from one of the happy customers shown the Build-a-bandit page..
http://build-a-bandit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Emily10.jpg

I am no expert in terms of what a show car T/A firebird looks like but i have been a fan of these cars for 20 years and can spot things that are just wrong. In the picture there are  80-81 Fuel/volt gauges in the 78 with different year cluster.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 10, 2012, 12:20:30 PM
The latest from Bob - he says he's his wife now, but the first person accounts kind of blow that lie.  I have never spoken with or e-mailed Erica.  I've sent things to her e-mail address because that's the only address I have other than the e-bay aliases, but they are always addressed to Bob. 

You have not bent in the least bit.  After seeing all the posts that you have been involved in, I can no longer deal with you.  You have twisted every word I said, you are totally unapproachable on the phone.  All you do is yell and scream.  You have threatened me for the last time.  I will no longer open your emails, answer your phone calls, or be emotionally blackmailed by you.  The first lie that you told is that we STOLE the money from you.  Your husband ordered a car.
 
Just so you know, this is coming from Erica.  I will not allow Bob to talk to you again.  I do not want my husband dropping dead of heart attack because the stress youíve caused him.  Heís tried to reason with you, but you continue on your folly of ways.  You now must deal with the repercussions.  If this ends in court, so be it.  Iíll ride out the year or so it takes.
 
 I am not naÔve and know that you will post this either as whole, or in parts.  Again this will further back everything that I have been telling you.
 
 Good day Mrs Thompson
 
 Erica
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 10, 2012, 12:50:37 PM
Omg  wouldn't it have been easier for Bob just to honor the contract and pay you back ?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tprater on October 10, 2012, 12:57:39 PM
Yes but that would be like admitting he is wrong. And if you've noticed, bob won't do that.
You guys are heading in the right direction getting the media involved. It's really pissing me off that he can't pay someone back money owed. He won't do it because the contract you wrote up is way more specific on the numbers.

I really want to just drive out there and pay him a visit...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 10, 2012, 01:39:31 PM
Carol, I can't believe he/she said after saying this in a previous Email.


Carol Thompson:
Your voicemail and politeness was the instigating gesture in this real and true proposal of a contract for a non-breach of contract refund. This will be notarized and legally binding contract to this affect by both parties involved. The terms will be a check for $3,000.00 will be sent Priority mail with a tracking number.

 So Bob and Ericka  talk out of both sides of their mouths.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 10, 2012, 02:32:34 PM
Flounder very good point
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on October 10, 2012, 02:54:17 PM
i think the PC term these days is "bi polar"

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_10RbzQXx0c4/TI1ZpBLkbFI/AAAAAAAACZo/L0GKK__mtX0/s1600/blue+bird.JPG)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on October 10, 2012, 05:23:28 PM
Well I would say, if thats the way they're going to be....  SLAM THE SOB's OUT OF BUSINESS!!!  Obviously, trying to be civil with lying, cheating thieves is not working!  I'm sorry to say Carol, you may never see the money you deserve.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 10, 2012, 06:41:14 PM
Jim I hate to say it but I feel the same way . This is exactly what I'm putting up with my sister who was made executor of my moms will . One minute there seems to be hope and then all falls threw again. I am going to stop communication with her and let the lawyers duke it out . I'll probably be left with next to nothing from $175,000 but so will she .
To bad some peolpe just have to be so greedy
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 10, 2012, 07:34:53 PM
Sorry, I know this isn't about cars, but Rainman's brought this up before and it's terrible.  The last thing you need when you lose your mom is sibling stupidity and greed.  My mom passed away last year.  There was no will and not a lot to split anyway.  Thankfully, the four of us siblings were all great with each other.    We never had one fight over anything except when my brother tried to throw out his toilet paper roll Christmas angel.  lol  - hideous thing.  Greed is horrible.  I hope her lawyers can talk her into reason.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 10, 2012, 08:23:07 PM
Well I would say, if thats the way they're going to be....  SLAM THE SOB's OUT OF BUSINESS!!!  Obviously, trying to be civil with lying, cheating thieves is not working!  I'm sorry to say Carol, you may never see the money you deserve.

 Unfortunately I think the Bob's of the world will find a way to con the "Flounder's and TA Widow's" of the world. It's what they do best and it appears that the judicial system has yet to figure out a way to stop the smart ones. Unfortunately it's not what you know but what you can prove in a court of Law. It's seems if a con artist ( like Bob ) does just enough while he is under the AG's scrutiny they will let him continue. Makes no sense to me. If a con artist has 35 customers that have that have unfinished builds how can the AG stand by and let this "person" garner more? I would think they should only have a certain percentage of unfinnished builds versus new customers but what do I know.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 10, 2012, 09:10:08 PM
Thanks for the post TAwidow . Sorry for changing the subject matter on the thread, I just need a shoulder sometimes lol
Life could be so easy , but nooo

Guys, in Canada I have seen companies go bankrupt only to soon reappear with a new name . I wonder if this  makes them unaccountable for the hole they dig with the previous bussiness ?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 11, 2012, 09:27:58 AM
Too bad you didn't live in the same town as Bob does Flounder. At that point I'd have a very simple solution that you're well within your right to do...Park the car right outside their business with a sign on it stating that it was Bob's handiwork.

That'd put a crimp in his business model.

As for the flip/flop on TAWidow's predicament...we saw that coming right? I mean the guy isn't mentally balanced as he can't even decide if he's cleaned house by firing all his employees or if his crew is up and running now stop. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 11, 2012, 12:54:03 PM
Perhaps Erika and bob and one in the same and the man suffers from a split personality.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 11, 2012, 01:51:50 PM
Perhaps Erika and bob and one in the same and the man suffers from a split personality.
Lmao!  Omg that made me laugh for some reason .




Hey Brian ,good idea but I don't think parking a TA outside of Bobs shop is going to help much , as his victims are mostly online I suspect . I think you guys are doing about all you can via the Internet .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 11, 2012, 02:39:21 PM
Rain, I think your right about the internet being Bob's playground. That's why my car goes up EVERYTIME he advertises a T/A.

 There is a chevelle up now by restoguru and if I had a 67 chevelle I'd put that up too. I feel the ONLY way to effectively stop Bob is to take away his bread and butter and that's Ebay. We know Ebay is not going to do anything substantive about Bob.
 They did sanction him for shill bidding ( which he blamed on someone else) but they only did that when WE( 78TA.com) strenously brought it to their attention. As you see Bob has stopped posting his phone number. Again that was US (78TA) being vocal about it that caused that to happen and yet he is STILL there. WHY? Because that is his biggest source of victims,PERIOD!

 While I can't stop him from advertising on Ebay I CAN certainly make it harder for him to do bussiness. Now. If the Ebay trans Am section were full of cars like mine I think it would have a greater impact on Bob but now Ebay has taken ads down that do not genuinely express an item for sale but they seem to allow "customers" to ask any question they like. That, in a nutshell, is the way ( as I see it) to get out the word about Bob.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 11, 2012, 02:43:13 PM
KJ....If your right I wonder if Bob is a cross dresser? LOL
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 11, 2012, 03:11:02 PM
Slander alert, Slander alert! LMAO.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on October 11, 2012, 05:16:03 PM
Maybe playing Divinyls on the shop radio. You know the song, I did not have the heart to post it as this is a family site.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 11, 2012, 10:37:56 PM
Slander alert, Slander alert! LMAO.
All kidding aside , I had a terrible experience with a shipping company and at transport reviews I posted the truth of what happened ,and the next thing I know there's a letter in my mailbox from there lawyers for slander . I was going to tell them to go get ****ed , but it was easier to just have the administrator to remove the post .
The part that sucks is I told it the way it was as many others did . Me being in Canada I really would like to see what they could have done . I think it was a bluff myself and I wish everyone left there posts up . Funny thing was we all had the same complaints
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 12, 2012, 12:07:03 AM
Solar.....where can I get an SE steering wheel?,.......................help me!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on October 12, 2012, 02:20:06 AM
Think Brian Combs Does them?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 12, 2012, 02:36:35 AM
is his name not randy?........Solar offered but I'll Mr. Combs for a SE wheel
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on October 12, 2012, 08:14:03 AM
Yes, it's Randy Combs....  Not Brian
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 12, 2012, 08:27:47 AM
Yep Randy is the guy. I know he will refurb the gold spokes but I'm not sure if he's offering re-foaming/covering for the vinyl. If not, vinyl dye does work well. It's held up on mine so far for 5k miles.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on October 12, 2012, 08:45:44 AM
Flounder I don't have steering wheel but Randy is the guy to go to for restoration of bezels and wheels. PM sent. He may have some on the shelf to get right out to you. I believe there has been some time delays in his restorations and he has been removed from this site as a vendor. I have never had a problem.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NWW-79 T/A on October 12, 2012, 10:16:06 AM
You can buy them new
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on October 12, 2012, 10:41:36 AM
Randy did my steering wheel. Still looks great 3 years later
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 12, 2012, 12:48:11 PM
Bob's ads are back up and so is mine
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on October 12, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
We are lazy by nature...Links my man Links.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 12, 2012, 04:04:28 PM
This is Flounders ad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271079627338
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 12, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
Thanks Brian, I try to do better in the future. New video on my resto!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 12, 2012, 06:47:34 PM
This is Flounders ad:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271079627338


Comment sent
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 12, 2012, 06:59:00 PM
comment posted >:D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 13, 2012, 01:11:34 AM
Great job on this question on the eBay auction . Sent me tons of low quality pics lol

Quote
Q:    I don't understand, Bob (winstoncup2watch) just told me he restores car to new, A to Z, and sent me tons of low quality small pics dated several years ago...are you telling me he takes the money up front and builds cars that look like this?? almost 2 years and 20k and this is really the car Bob gave you?? I hope he gave you a ton of cash back to fix this POS.   Oct-12-12
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 13, 2012, 09:38:36 AM
yeah, I kinda liked that question as well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 13, 2012, 07:52:07 PM
Well I just heard from my builder. I had told Bob repeatedly that I wanted a 2.73 rear. My builder just told me my "car" has a 3.08. Just another lie by Bob the Bandit! I know there is not much difference but it WAS what I requested.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 14, 2012, 05:51:00 PM
3.08 I a good compromise . I like my 2.56 on the highway but my launch is terrible.
I know it's the principle of the thing though .
 You would need a stage 2 carrior and gears to jump to a 2.73 now .
In  Bobs defence I think its safe to say he probably has no idea how to figure out differant ratios though
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 14, 2012, 06:30:31 PM
Actually Rain he probably did me a favor....for once. After doing the math and concidering we are going with a 200r4 the RPM's at 85 are in te sweet spot. 4th gear on a 200r4 is 0.67. I sent an Email to R&R and asked what the sweet spot on this motor was and Mr. Fulper came came with 2000-2400.

    At 85 with a 26inch tire and a 3.08 rear in 4th gear(0.67) the motor will be turning 22-23K. So that works out pretty good.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 14, 2012, 10:58:34 PM
I forgot about the 200R4 . Geez he would done you an even bigger favor with a 3.42 or 3.73 .
IMO your a little tall for an OD . Do you guys have an 85 mph speed zone there ?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 14, 2012, 11:01:53 PM
Rain did you read my post? 2200-2300 at 85
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 14, 2012, 11:04:36 PM
According to Mr.Fulper 2000-2400  gives you optimal volumetric effeincency( sp) .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 14, 2012, 11:09:57 PM
Yes I read it . Just not aware of an area that has an 85mph speed limit other then Germany ?
Ever since we hosted the Olympics they raised all the penalties here in BC .
25 mph over the limit and your vehicle is impounded here . I don't even want a stroker now
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 14, 2012, 11:13:41 PM
there are some out west.....plus alot of 70-75 mph all over. On the interstate you can usually get away with 5-10 . Only on the interstate. Now I know somebody has gotten a ticket for 10 over the limit but I've never gotten a ticket on the INTERSTATE for going 10 over.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 14, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
I can always change the rear if I need to.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 14, 2012, 11:15:39 PM
Ya they usually give you 10% here , depending on the officer of course .
So I see your reasoning . I'm sure you'll be ok
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 14, 2012, 11:18:34 PM
We are kilometers now so we lost out . Was 70 from Calgary to Edmonton but now it's 110 kph . I think that's like 68.35 now
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 14, 2012, 11:20:02 PM
Well hopefully your cam is tailored for torque . Do you ave any specs on which can was used ? That's what I've always wanted , a torque monster , not really concerned with hp
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 15, 2012, 07:25:04 AM
Well as a matter of fact Mr.Fulper builds them kinda torquey at 460 ft/lbs. He did not give me the specs on the cam as it was his own design. His quote to me was HP sells cars torque wins races.

   His shop is in California.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 15, 2012, 08:31:41 AM
Well as a matter of fact Mr.Fulper builds them kinda torquey at 460 ft/lbs. He did not give me the specs on the cam as it was his own design. His quote to me was HP sells cars torque wins races.

   His shop is in California.


I would have to agree with him.  When I had my car put on the dyno it only had 267hp but 387tq to the wheels.  Do you know if his numbers are to the wheels or to the flywheel?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 15, 2012, 08:50:03 AM
Anything I said would be speculation but having said that I would assume the ratings are at the flywheel.

  400hp with 460 ft/lbs of torque
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 15, 2012, 09:31:51 AM
I seen the specs . Was wondering more of when this torque comes rpm wise. I'm sure it rocks
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on October 15, 2012, 02:33:09 PM
there are some out west.....plus alot of 70-75 mph all over. On the interstate you can usually get away with 5-10 . Only on the interstate. Now I know somebody has gotten a ticket for 10 over the limit but I've never gotten a ticket on the INTERSTATE for going 10 over.
Really 85MPH?  News to me and I live in AZ pretty much in the "West"  :P  They are pretty strict over the 75MPH Interstate and I rarely tempt it past 79-80 unless I am passing!  I will eventually go with the OD but My TH350 is built and in phenomenal shape so will see how that runs and will probably be running closer to a 27" or just under depending on how the car sits when finished.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 15, 2012, 03:42:09 PM
Ole skool.... I figured someone would chime in on the 85mph issue. Been in Texas lately? They have legislated 85 MPH speed zones. Montana USED to not have speed limits in certain areas but alas that's gone. Texas is out west the last time I checked. Google it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on October 15, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
Lower Border SW!  :P  Also don't want to give a geography lesson BUT:

Regional definitions vary from source to source. New Mexico and Arizona (in dark red) are almost always considered the core, modern-day Southwest. The striped states may or may not be considered to be part of the same region. With the exception of Texas and Oklahoma (offset in blue) -- which are counted as part of the South -- the Southwestern states are also classified as West by the U.S. Census Bureau. California is often excluded from all definitions of the Southwest.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Southwest_map.png/300px-Southwest_map.png
You Damn Southerners! LMAO
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 15, 2012, 04:36:45 PM
I stand corrected. I've aways concidered Texas part of the WEST. Now, your right, I Am a Southerner but Not because I live in Fla. Florida is in the South but I would not call it a Southern state. I was born in Tenn and grew up in VA. So , yes I'm southern....Ya'll....LOL

 So...there are parts of the US that have 85 MPH speed limits. So..would you be called a Westerner?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on October 15, 2012, 04:40:17 PM
No I knew u were in FL. and wouldn't consider it Southern either,  And from what I read they just opened or are about to open that 85MPH?!  75MPH is cool for me as I see how idiots drive for the most part!  ::)  I guess I would be a "Westerner" but really don't get to caught up in that as I have been here my whole life and haven't known any different.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 15, 2012, 09:14:40 PM
75 mph would be great , 85 mph well that would be just plain awesome! I'd have to swap to a 2.41 rear .

Actaully I wouldn't do that . Instead I'd go with a better eaton carrior with a 3.42 gear set and a T56 . What's another 10 grand at this point lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 15, 2012, 09:17:31 PM
I'm in Canada eh , but I thought Florida was east and Texas south . Doesn't matter , you all talk funny  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on October 15, 2012, 09:19:10 PM
If you are from Texas u would say YA AWLLL!  :P
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 15, 2012, 11:05:36 PM
So do crazy canucks...Eh?  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 16, 2012, 06:46:51 AM
so are there any new updates from TA widow or George on getting what they are owed back?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 16, 2012, 09:20:30 AM
Not here. I have not contacted Bob since he called me a child molester. I'm kinda just playing a wait and see game. Wait to see how JGodar's build turns out since he is "SUPPOSED" to pick up his build on the 26th of this month.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 19, 2012, 07:53:44 AM
Then certainly JGodar has some pics to share as his car should be almost complete with today being 10/19. Can't be that much more to wrap up right??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 19, 2012, 09:50:34 AM
Brian, I doubt if Joe will be posting anymore pics here. I think he "feels" THE MOB is not giving him a fair shake. I know he appreciates the critique but dislikes the drubbing for his actions regarding how he is dealing with Bob.
 As I've told him in the past Bob is going to be "Bob" and somewhere down the road he will realize that even though he is "helping" Bob with his facebook page Bob is going to sting him in some way.

 The thing about these cars is if your a "rookie" like me and Joe and Eli and Jay you won't always know that you've been stung right away. Bob kinda counts on that.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 07:48:23 PM
Ok guys, I guess it's time to stir the pot a little. A little birdy told me that  Bob is working on 4 cars and thats it. No plans for new ones. So one is Gold , the other 3 are black. I'm sure the 3 black ones belong to Joe,Eli and Jay. The gold one was brought in  to have some bodywork done.
  So I know of at least 3 people that leaves out in the cold if this is true.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on October 20, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
I hope one of the black cars is mine. I'm new to the board would like to say hello to everyone..My 78 t/a is at the shop right now. I'm trying to go and see it this thursday. Its been awhile since i seen it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
Well welcome to the site! When did you buy (give Bob your money) your car?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 08:36:55 PM
There's a facebook page that you can look at that is supposed to showcase some of Bob's builds.   build a bandit/facebook.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 08:39:29 PM
I also have pictures of my "build" from Bob after 19 months if you care to see them. I finally gave up on Bob and drove to asheville to pick up what was done. My builder had to undo alot of what Bob SAID he did.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 08:42:48 PM
I think the 3 black ones are for the guys that set up the facebook page for Bob. Joe Godar,Eli Smith and Jay Cerrone. Now they will be at Bob's shops on the 26th if you like to meet/talk to them. Wish I could be there to watch that!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on October 20, 2012, 08:48:53 PM
I dropped my car off in march of this year. Bob sent me some pics of my car this month getting metal work done and start the sanding process.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 08:49:53 PM
and it's black?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 08:54:54 PM
So how long ago did you drop your car off?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 08:59:25 PM
Why would you take your car to Bob to get bodywork done? Did you originally buy the car from Bob?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on October 20, 2012, 09:02:46 PM
No its my car. I sent it up there to get redone.He seems to be doing a decent job so far from the pics i got.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
Again,why would you send it to NC when you live in GA? Did you buy it from Bob?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on October 20, 2012, 09:17:25 PM
No I did not buy it from them.I sent it up there to get redone. they do alot of pontiacs so i figured they would do a good job for the price.   
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 20, 2012, 09:19:53 PM
They do alot of BAD pontiacs.

   http://www.allmusclecars.com/pontiacpros.html
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 20, 2012, 10:01:38 PM
For a few K more, you could have shipped it to a few pros. One of them being Muscle Car Alley. They ARE pros - they've done work on my personal car. Signed time slips from start to finish. Professionals who take pride in their work with no shortcuts taken. And I have plenty of photos showing exactly what they did. No changes were done without my prior approval, onsite. They're a class act - HIGHLY recommended.

Good luck with your build with Bob but from the photos we've now seen of (3) different cars...well, let the Schwartz be with you.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: TurdPolisher on October 20, 2012, 11:11:25 PM
This is why I sign ALL of my documents with "Without Prejudice UCC 1-207-308"  below my name.  This little unknown legal clause nullifies all of the information above the signature therefore, allowing for a legal OUT on ANY contract as it allows for recourse.  :-)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 22, 2012, 11:03:16 AM
I'm just expounding on Bob's statement that " metal goes back where metal was" Please note the following pictures

http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptaplqrust5.jpg

http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptaplqrust2.jpg

http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptapillerrust1.jpg

http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptaddlcrust1.jpg
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobg on October 22, 2012, 12:50:07 PM
I am not suprised one bit. Good thing that you now have a reputable shop undoing all of Bob's so called quality work. IMO your car was probably built as per their standard operating procedures, and the cars that are currently being worked on in their shop I doubt are any different or better.(especially since you are not the only customer who has found hidden rust on their "restored" car) As for the current 3 so called happy customers, I am curious that when in the coming months down the road when their car's paint starts bubbling from the hidden rust, how they then feel about the so called great work on their cars. Any place that the rust was filled/painted over on their cars is a guarantee bubble through on the paint, and will need to be cut out/treated to stop it from happening.Shotty works returns shotty results.You may or may not notice it now, but it will show its face in the very near future.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 22, 2012, 01:40:13 PM
Thanks Bob for the input.

  More of Bob the Bandit's handywork.

http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptapillerrust3.jpg
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 22, 2012, 06:59:54 PM
Thanks Bob for the input.

  More of Bob the Bandit's handywork.

http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptapillerrust3.jpg

^^^ OMG!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 22, 2012, 08:30:28 PM
Thanks Bob for the input.

  More of Bob the Bandit's handywork.

http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptapillerrust3.jpg

They just get better and better.  Thanks for sharing George, I'm glad you are getting it fixed the proper way.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 22, 2012, 10:12:56 PM
Thanks KJ,

 I have to thank ALLMUSCLE CARS. Yes this is a shameless plug!

 AMC is much closer . GA....

   and.....if you look at ALLMUSCLECARS.COM......you'll see their work.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 22, 2012, 10:28:07 PM
Where's TAwidow?  What's going on with the news media. I talked to them and they said they were building a story. Anyone here anything?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 22, 2012, 10:36:08 PM
Where's TAwidow?  What's going on with the news media. I talked to them and they said they were building a story. Anyone here anything?

Are they really?? What station/show.  I would be interested in seeing the final story.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: UnderDog403 on October 23, 2012, 03:32:00 PM
Dennis from All muscle cars is a good guy. He will take care of you.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 23, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
Other side the same way

 http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptadspillerrust1.jpg

 But my builder fixed it!

 http://www.allmusclecars.com/projects/gptadspillerrust2.jpg
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NWW-79 T/A on October 23, 2012, 07:19:22 PM
Glad you got this turned over to a real shop. Looks good
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobspacin80ta on October 25, 2012, 02:28:47 PM
Wow this went quite.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: trentonmakes on October 25, 2012, 02:35:51 PM
Lol
Did yall get an order of sieze and dissist[spellung?]

Sent From My Fancy Little Thinking Box

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 25, 2012, 05:32:07 PM
Quiet? I have nothing to report. I am going tomorrow to look at the progress of my car by ALLMUSCLECARS but those pic will be posted in the restoration section.
 Bob the bandit is still in bussiness. Joe probably won't comment on this site because ( according to him) he is not getting a fair shake from "THE MOB".
 I know Joe and Eli are going to Bandit Land tomorrow to view the progress on their cars. Joe's car was SUPPOSED to be done but some of Bob's previous cars needed additional work (touch ups according to Bob). I myself am skeptical but my issues are with Bob, not Joe.
 It appears ( in my opinion) that Bob is doing just enough to keep the NC AG off his back with the help of some of his SATISFIED "customers". I wonder how long they will continue to be "satisfied".
 I will continue to post my car on Ebay everytime Bob the Bandit posts one of his. So guys....? If you see one of his cars on Ebay again please make sure to post because I don't check Ebay every day.

   Thanks to everyone on this site for the tremendous amount of help you have given me! YOU ROCK!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 27, 2012, 03:33:50 PM
SILENT NO LONGER.  That lying sack of crap had laid another line of BS on other victims about how he has been trying to help me.  He told them that I leave him no choice but to not repay me because of my "slander" (aka the truth).  One such victim recommended that I remain silent for a time so that poor Bob has an out, he'd see that I can refrain from speaking out about him and then he would save face in front of all his other victims and not have to be shown to be weak by repaying a widow months after he should have.  I had sent that con artist a second contract stating that I would remove all references to him being a thief and con artist if he would repay  me half of what he owes me along with an update to sites that cannot be altered (ripoffreport.com) and then he would repay me the rest after the updates and changes were done.  Well, for my patience and silence I got absolutely nothing but more frustration.  The coward will not return an e-mail or a phone call. 

He has never had any intention of repaying me.  He has lied to everyone about me and I am sick of it.  Time for Plan C.  I hope to remove all of his financial backers by letting them know exactly what he represents.  How anyone can believe this thief is beyond me.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 27, 2012, 05:46:47 PM
Carol, You and I both know that regardless of whether or not you stay silent will make little difference on the choices Bob the bandit takes.

 If he really was worried about what you say then he should just pay you and get it over with and move on. That way he could claim " I paid her I don't know why she is still doing this". My guess is he does not have the resources to pay you.

 He told Joe earlier that his car was supposed to be ready on the 26th but all of a sudden some cars he previously worked on have come back for some minor repairs( yeah right).

 So he put them off again! I wonder how long that will work till they finally abandon him as well? I'm putting my car on Ebay EVERYTIME he advertises one of his cars. So his options are slowly being limited.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 27, 2012, 05:57:58 PM
Well, I contributed and some one deleted my posts. CYA
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 27, 2012, 06:55:53 PM
TAwidow I'm sorry to hear about your ongoing frustration with this clown . For some reason I didn't have a warm fuzzy feeling that you were going to get reimbursed . It's just like with my sister , one minute there's a glimmer of hope and the next minute reality sets in and I realize its all a bunch of lies .

I feel bad for you . As if the loss of your husband wasn't bad enough , your being subjected to this utter nonsense
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 28, 2012, 07:51:51 AM
It was stupid of me to get my hopes up that the coward would act decent for once.  He's at 144 days today - just gross. Sorry, couldn't resist.

New plan is to just keep the pressure on 24/7.  On every single complaint board I can find including his local papers every day.  Anyone know of any others besides ripoffreports, yelp, this site (I know you car people actually use it for good purposes other than just complaining), the facebook page, and Joe's website?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 28, 2012, 08:06:07 AM
It was stupid of me to get my hopes up that the coward would act decent for once.  He's at 144 days today - just gross. Sorry, couldn't resist.

New plan is to just keep the pressure on 24/7.  On every single complaint board I can find including his local papers every day.  Anyone know of any others besides ripoffreports, yelp, this site (I know you car people actually use it for good purposes other than just complaining), the facebook page, and Joe's website?

tell your story on trans am country as well,

 http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=52783.0 (http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=52783.0)

http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=53317.0 (http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=53317.0)

or even the PY forum:

http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=695133&highlight=build+bandit (http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=695133&highlight=build+bandit)

http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=697747&highlight=build+bandit (http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=697747&highlight=build+bandit)

and another:

http://www.firebirdnation.com/forums/topic/377010-build-a-bandit/ (http://www.firebirdnation.com/forums/topic/377010-build-a-bandit/)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 28, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
Thanks midyear.  One added, one to go.  I'll just keep adding until the thief coughs up what he owes me. 

Does anyone else have places to advertise his behavior? 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 28, 2012, 11:04:10 AM
Any local TV stations? Both local CBS and NBC stations have investigative reporters that will do a story on the air and go after cons like this.

Also, since he's a vehicle repair station, I'd blow him in to the local DMV/BMV. They can yank any licenses he has.

www.allgentransams.com
www.transamtown.com

Since he's starting to branch into Camaros, try www.nastyz28.com. Might also do a quick search and see if there are any others out there.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on October 28, 2012, 07:38:32 PM
It's to bad I live on the west coast I do video production and I could several videos and interviews of people that got taken advantage of and start posting them on YouTube and all kinds of other video sites. Video's pop up way faster than general text posts. plus there is nothing like seeing the work than just hearing about it. I would even go as far as trying to shoot at one of his shops and get an interview with him. I would like to get both sides of the story so people could hear the stuff spilling out of his mouth. Maybe we could start a Video Documentary Fund for a shoot of Build A Bandit.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 28, 2012, 07:59:00 PM
Ban he does have a victim that lives in Washington state. This guy, Frederick Huber suffers from a debilitating desease that will eventually take his life.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on October 28, 2012, 10:18:03 PM
Ban he does have a victim that lives in Washington state. This guy, Frederick Huber suffers from a debilitating desease that will eventually take his life.
Good god this just gets more and more depressing
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 29, 2012, 01:22:26 PM
I feel terrible for that guy.  What a thing to have to go through on top of the medical problems and preparing his family for when he's not there.  I sure hope karma comes around fast for Bob.  It'd be like the story of Job, but he'd deserve it and it'd be worse.

Thanks for the extra sites.  I'm slowly adding to them.  I've got my in-laws here, so I'm entertaining them too.  It's tougher flying solo with it - good thing they're awesome.

I can't believe I forgot to mention that Bob's victims should certainly file a complaint with Susan Davis at the NC Attorney General's office (SEDavis@ncdoj.gov), but also file a complaint with the FBI on http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx 

The more agencies we can get looking into this crook the faster we can get him locked up and hopefully get us our money or cars back.  That's my hope anyway.  Bancruptcy doesn't do any good.  The guy has NINE aliases, he just changes the name and keeps on conning.  He has 35 victims that he admits to - he just calls them clients.  We know he stole from us. 

IF YOU'RE READING THIS AND YOU'RE ON THE FENCE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO STIR THE POT OR STAY ON BOB'S GOOD SIDE, THINK ABOUT HOW FAR THAT'S GOTTEN YOU SO FAR!!!  REPORT THE CROOK!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 29, 2012, 01:59:30 PM
T A, did you ever hear anymore from the Asheville TV station? I got a call from a Raliegh tv station but they gave me suggestions that had all been followed. They also stated it was out of their area.

 Anyway, I was just curious if you had anymore contacts with any of the TV stations.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 29, 2012, 03:43:12 PM
Nothing yet.  I sent off a few more e-mails.  I hope at least one picks it up.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 30, 2012, 07:44:31 AM
I think Bob must have another "emergency."  His mailbox is now full and I can't leave any more messages.  Does anyone have any other numbers for his shops?    146 days and the loser can't return a call or e-mail.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 30, 2012, 08:19:47 AM
Sorry you're having so much trouble Tawidow.


For those with cars in Bob's hands, any word on when you might be taking delivery?? Would love to see the new quality work done by Bob himself (he fired his staff right - cleaned house after they spent money on Hondas??), was working Night & Day to give you the cars you wanted, his staff (magically reappeared out of thin air after he cleaned house) was working non-stop, etc.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 30, 2012, 08:28:12 AM
Thanks for the numbers.

Epiphany - the 828-776-7881 number that Bob's been using for his Winstoncup2win and restoguru7881 aliases on e-Bay has a message that says it belongs to David.  He has a worker named David.  What are the chances that they're one and the same???
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 30, 2012, 08:40:35 AM
I'd say better than average.

I'd leave a message stating you're trying to get in contact with his business partner Bob and see what happens from there.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on October 30, 2012, 08:45:37 AM
Thanks for the numbers.

Epiphany - the 828-776-7881 number that Bob's been using for his Winstoncup2win and restoguru7881 aliases on e-Bay has a message that says it belongs to David.  He has a worker named David.  What are the chances that they're one and the same???

  I believe Joe Godar said he had a way to contact the shop/employees, maybe he can give you some more current contact info.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on October 30, 2012, 09:06:04 AM
How does this sound for a Sunday ad in his local paper?  It runs for about $200 on the 2nd or 3rd page:

Help!!!  Iím a widow w/ children trying to recoup $13,000 of a refund owed by Bob Mcelreath with Pick a Pony, Build a Bandit, Pontiac Pros, Discount Classic Auto Restoration, or Common Man Classic Hot Rods.  He changes names for his business a lot.  My husband died in early June, 3 days after paying for a restoration from Bob.  Bobís promised a full refund and he gave me a token partial refund, but heís refused all contact since he broke our contract and every refund policy for widows.  Does anyone know how to reach him?  Please e-mail me at edcarolinathol@yahoo.com  Thanks!

The woman in the advertising section advised me not to write anything that would be libelous.  Any lawyers out there see anything wrong with this?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 30, 2012, 09:08:43 AM
I have this number for michele 828-776-5086. This one for Bob 828-776-0086.This one for Zak 828-768-0707. I will say the FASTEST response I ever got from Bob was after I texted Zak.

  Oh T A the screen name was Winstoncup2watch.

   Joe has posted a video that he took on facebook of his car and Eli's car ( they would not let Joe take pictures of Jay's car or Craig's car).  Someone (Jupiter Bandit I think ) posted the video's on my resto page if you'd like to go there to see them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 30, 2012, 09:11:05 AM
Carol I would use his FULL name every time I mention him but other than that...it sounds concise and to the point
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 30, 2012, 09:53:50 AM
I'd toss that up on Craigslist first since its free. If no bites, then I'd look at print media (newspapers, flyers, etc).

But I'd also suggest running it by legal representation first to make sure you're not opening yourself up to legal issues.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 30, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
Carol, just ran across another Alias that Bob is useing for his bussiness. 

Resto Classics     classicsresto@live.com


  Hope that helps
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on October 30, 2012, 10:15:36 AM
The note sounds good Carol.  I would suggest creating a new Email address just for this add.  that way your true personal email is not affected by this incase you get a bunch of emails you do not want.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 30, 2012, 03:15:19 PM
I have this number for michele 828-776-5086. This one for Bob 828-776-0086.This one for Zak 828-768-0707. I will say the FASTEST response I ever got from Bob was after I texted Zak.

  Oh T A the screen name was Winstoncup2watch.

   Joe has posted a video that he took on facebook of his car and Eli's car ( they would not let Joe take pictures of Jay's car or Craig's car).  Someone (Jupiter Bandit I think ) posted the video's on my resto page if you'd like to go there to see them.

Oh crap! I thought I posted them here. I was upset thinking you guys deleted them. I'm an idiot. Sorry about that!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 30, 2012, 03:17:29 PM
http://youtu.be/uUJVc9Dnv7I (http://youtu.be/uUJVc9Dnv7I)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 30, 2012, 03:18:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_2QR5R7Ps&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A&index=1&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_2QR5R7Ps&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A&index=1&feature=plcp)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 30, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
From Joe's Video he posted today, I would say there is a lot left to do. Dash and guages are out, no driver's seat, no radiator or evaporator, no t top trim pieces, no trunk lid. There appears to be a lot left to do and then once they fire it up they need to adjust and tune it. And that's just what we can see from your video.

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on October 30, 2012, 03:29:11 PM
I'm curious as to why the metal dash in the first video is still black instead of the correct camel tan? I mean seriously, it's a very quick fix but instead Bob the bandit went ahead and installed the glass??? WTH???

And the ripples in the rear bumper, along the side of the car, etc...man, what a...you fill in the blank. That would drive me absolutely nuts. And its not all that difficult to fix!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on October 30, 2012, 03:31:48 PM
No, Jupiter you posted them on my resto page ( flounder55 resto)....that's where you posted them
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on October 30, 2012, 10:27:01 PM
Yup I got it lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 01, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
Has anyone heard from Bob the loser in a while?  Is he gone for another family emergency?  His family must be huge to be gone so often for so long.  For the people that have been waiting more than a year or two for him to produce anything at all - do all his "emergencies" coincide with right after his ads run?  I guess he would have an emergency.  He has to hide more money. 

I hope people are saving his e-mails and forwarding them to the NC AG's office or the ic3.gov site so they can piece everything together.

148 days and nothing from him or anyone in his shop.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 01, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
Bob's been quiet,no mass Emails, no Ebay ads that I know of.
    I know Bob did not meet Joe and Eli on the 26th to look at their cars which are not done. If you look at both videos that Jupiter posted? One car has a trans Am console the other has a Camaro console. I can't take credit for knowing that, my builder told me that after looking at the videos on facebook.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on November 02, 2012, 01:24:42 AM
Geez Bob never made the deadline , is everyone as surprised as I am ?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 02, 2012, 08:00:38 AM
I'm wagering Bob's going to string them along for a couple more months easily. Seems to be his M.O. given how long this has strung out for others.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: LOMILETA on November 02, 2012, 10:06:31 AM
My favorite part ( in case you missed it) in the video of the tan interior car, was the used carpet with all of the burn marks it in, where the seat would go.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:53 PM
My favorite part is what you DON"T see. Bob would NOT let joe take pictures of Jay's car or Craig Ventzke's car. Wonder why? He claims that he had mix-ups in the past and wanted to prevent that in the future (yeah).

 Joe also says Bob has a lawyer but that lawyer will not respond to my lawyer's queries so what kind of lawyer can he be?

 in a little over 2 weeks Joe ,Eli and Jay will be visiting again. So I'm curious what Bob can do in the interim.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 02, 2012, 10:49:27 PM
Are you suggesting that Bob is lying, George?  Surely he has a lawyer.  I've been waiting to speak at him for months.  Ask for a name, maybe he'll name another victim like he named Joe as my mediator.

Bob refuses to speak with me and blames his lawyer 100% of the time now.  What a coward.  I don't think I've ever hated anyone quite so much as him and his disgusting family that supports him.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on November 04, 2012, 11:08:51 AM

I don't think I've ever hated anyone quite so much as him and his disgusting family that supports him.
TA widow you sound bitter ? Sounds like you don't like this guy or something ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: ponchonutty on November 05, 2012, 10:37:42 AM
TAWIDOW, I know it's so difficult at times but NEVER fill your heart with hatred.  Doing so just lets your enemies dig in even farther.  Don't let let them get away with this.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on November 05, 2012, 10:50:09 AM
TAWIDOW, is Bob's refusal to refund the money and cancel the contract a promise to deliver you a TA?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 05, 2012, 10:55:38 AM
Judging by what I hear about his TA's I think getting robbed of $13,000 is a better deal almost.  I'd have to hire someone to junk any car he's delivered and then I'd be out more money.

In all seriousness, Bob sent me the partial refund, giving him the out for not giving me the car.  He has absolutely no excuse for not giving me the rest of the refund.  152 days and still waiting.  Bob is such a big strong man stealing money from widows and children.  His wife and kids have to be beside themselves with pride.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 07, 2012, 08:33:12 PM
New general Email from Ericka.....

Bob has finally gotten a flight back.  He arrives late this evening.  He will spend all day tomorrow going over emails, and Friday will begin answering them all.  He will get in touch with all this weekend.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 07, 2012, 09:57:39 PM
Where the heck does this con artist go so often?  I sure hope someone like the FBI keeps tabs of where he's stashing all the money when he's on one of his emergencies.

It just boggles the mind that he thinks people should accept being ignored for months on end without us saying anything.  It's been just about 2 months to the day that he decided I'd somehow strongarmed his little stepson.  I spoke with the little boy today using the number someone gave me off here.  Zak sounded like any other man to me.  If he's a little boy - he's got the deepest voice I've ever heard on a kid.  Someone should really call CPS on Ericka and Bob - little Zak says he doesn't live with them anymore.  Is that child neglect or abandonment?  Poor little kid.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 07, 2012, 11:05:29 PM
TA , I have a question? The partial car that I retrieved from bandit land...was owned ( according to the title ) by Zackery Kampert...............does he not have to be 18 to own it?   it was through BAB...........get where I'm coming from???

     Bob's argument does not hold water....I have proof regarding my title .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 08, 2012, 06:49:45 AM
but, but, my world is falling apart!  Bob lies?!?  I just can't believe it. 

The world according to google states:
In North Carolina the DOT states that their laws do not set a minimum age limit as to ownership of a vehicle as long as the owner can sign their name on the application of title. However a plate cannot be issued without proof of owner having liability insurance on the vehicle and insurance companies normally will require you to have a parent or guardian sign your insurance documents (contract) if you are under 18 years of age and thus still considered a minor in the eyes of the law.

I haven't checked if it's right or not.  It doesn't matter for me right now because I have an e-mail from Bob that he sent in August saying that he'd honor the contract.  I also have e-mails from him that he has a refund policy for widows for either 60 or 90 days depending on when he sent it. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: ponchonutty on November 08, 2012, 08:12:17 AM
In Ohio, you don't have to be any certain age to own a motor vehicle.  So, I could have my 14 year old buy my TA if I wanted to.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 08, 2012, 08:27:53 AM
Flounder,

Did you title your car in your state yet? If not, might I make a teansy suggestion - Go Do It NOW!

Here's why I'm saying this....

Bob's stating that Zak is underage and can't honor contracts to TAWidow. Zak's name appears on your title. Now, let's say that Bob being the devious underhanded person that he is, contacts his DMV to say that the title you hold is null & void because a minor signed it over under duress. Now you're locked in a title fight with this yahoo over your car.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on November 08, 2012, 09:18:07 AM
Flounder,

Did you title your car in your state yet? If not, might I make a teansy suggestion - Go Do It NOW!

Here's why I'm saying this....

Bob's stating that Zak is underage and can't honor contracts to TAWidow. Zak's name appears on your title. Now, let's say that Bob being the devious underhanded person that he is, contacts his DMV to say that the title you hold is null & void because a minor signed it over under duress. Now you're locked in a title fight with this yahoo over your car.


Might be a good thing to remove from the thread and pm George about.  Would want build a bandit readin that
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 08, 2012, 09:23:34 AM
Done! But thanks for checking
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 08, 2012, 10:03:36 AM
Wow Brian, good call. I never would have thought of that in a million years.  It makes perfect sense though.  Flounder - keep an eye out for the police coming to arrest you for stealing a car after you have all the work done to it.  Then they can sell it again and take care of you in one horrible move.  What's sad is that I have no faith in our justice system after all of this and I think he'd get away with it.  Can you start on getting a legal document signed by Bob the crook saying that he gave it to you willingly?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 08, 2012, 11:23:31 AM
I don't see that happening but i guess anything is possible. Afterall, we are talking about Bob the Bandit!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 08, 2012, 11:40:34 AM
Tawidow - its basic logic. I took Symbolic Logic in college and its fairly easy to connect the dots. Given Bob the Bandit's history on things, its not much of a stretch to see something like this going on.

That's why with any used vehicle purchase I get the title squared away before I start doing anything major. Last thing I want is someone coming to take my baby after I sunk blood, sweat, tears, and hard earned $$$$ into it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on November 08, 2012, 12:17:56 PM
^AGREED!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 12, 2012, 03:47:06 PM
New question - Does anyone know if I'd have a valid case to sue the little boy or the company for knowingly allowing a 17 year old (if he was 17) to sign a contract?  If I can't get the dear old daddy to pay, maybe forcing his little stepson to take responsibility for his actions would be a first step in setting him up to be a better man than his stepdad.

161 days today.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 12, 2012, 04:04:08 PM
I'd suggest consulting with your legal representation to determine if what you are proposing is feasible/legal.

I want to say that in at least NY, that an underage person couldn't enter into a legal contract. But I'm not a legal eagle either.


BTW: Sorry this is dragging out.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 12, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
According to Google, and several social media outlets, Zak appears to be 19, Wow, could Bob have lied about that too?? I am shocked!!  lol.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 12, 2012, 04:31:12 PM
Well that puts him at adult status, able to enter into legal contracts ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 12, 2012, 04:57:03 PM
According to the bill of sale and the registration that was sent that Zak ( in his own hand writting) discribes himself as an officer of the company.

 My lawyer thought that that was amuseing and interjected that Zak just added himself to the defendant list!

  TA I think I can find that DOC and if I can't my lawyer has a copy if it helps you in your endevors!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 12, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
I asked the police and Attorney General's office today.  I hope to hear back soon.  I almost hope he was telling the truth for once and he'd get caught for something so stupid.  It's amazing that something like this could cause him a problem, but stealing over $500,000 from people gets him nothing.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 14, 2012, 07:10:33 AM
Finally a little good news - sort of.  I was allowed to place an ad in his local paper, the Ashville Citizen Times.  Maybe this will get his attention and he'll actually give me a call back.  It'll stay in until he does.  Would any other victims like to place ads too?  They're very reasonably priced.  I'm hoping that a news agency will take notice or a neighbor or friend might be able to recognize him and pass on that I'm trying to reach him.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 14, 2012, 12:52:29 PM
Here's the ad:
Widow w/kids seeks $13,000 from Ashville area auto shop specializing in vintage Pontiacs and Camaros - 9 aliases - 3 shops in Black Mountain, Fairview, and Swannanoa. They promised they would build a Bandit for my husband.  He died only 3 days after paying in full.  All I got was a very small partial refund (it keeps the police off their back), a worthless piece of paper, & a lot of lies.   Well over $500,000 in cars/refunds owed to dozens of other victims. It's been over 5 months and the owner refuses all communication. I have a signed contract from owner's stepson/build coordinator as well as e-mails from owner with his promise to honor contract and policy for widows. All expired long ago.  Please e-mail edcarolinathol@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 14, 2012, 01:08:48 PM
Well that should help get the word out! Good for you Carol! I hope you get some usefull responses
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on November 14, 2012, 02:04:52 PM
great idea Carol.  Keep us posted on what you get back
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on November 14, 2012, 07:35:47 PM
Well written ad Carol ,  that should get there attention . Remind me to never get on your bad side lol  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 15, 2012, 07:19:05 AM
I haven't heard anything yet.  It's only been 160 plus days.  I have to keep reminding myself that some of you guys have been waiting years.

Rainman - just promise that you won't start ripping off dozens of people to the tune of $500,000 or more and I think we're good. ;D
I know that's just so tempting for the average person.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on November 15, 2012, 02:07:53 PM
Well Carol if I'm going to do it I'm going big . Thinking about the possibilities with those trucks that transport the cash to the bank . That money is insured and the little guys don't get hurt .
SDperformance may wonder why I'm buying a stroker with cash though  . Might be a red flag ?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 15, 2012, 09:30:40 PM
Well all, tomorrow is D-day ( done day )  . It is the day Bob is suppose to have a car(s) done for the 3 Amigos ( Jay's terminology not mine). I hope they all have a safe trip.......home.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on November 16, 2012, 01:11:11 PM
Well I suspect were going to have some disappointed people today . Understandable though as didn't Bob have yet another family emergency recently and also had  to train all new staff?
I'm suprize he hasn't started a reality show yet . Couldn't be any worse than those people chasing pigs
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 16, 2012, 03:40:41 PM
the day has almost gone, and no word on Joe, Jay, or Eli's cars....I guess they are all riding around in them, doing high fives, and smiling at the great deal they got from Bob...WOW, I guess I was wrong about Bob this whole time....lol....not!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 16, 2012, 03:53:15 PM
Day's not over yet. They may be on a long trip back with their respective cars. Let's let this ride out a little longer to see if Bobbo delivered on his word or if there were yet more delays.

**I checked the website they setup and it doesn't appear that there was any word - either way - that they got cars today.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on November 16, 2012, 04:09:29 PM
the day has almost gone, and no word on Joe, Jay, or Eli's cars....I guess they are all riding around in them, doing high fives, and smiling at the great deal they got from Bob...WOW, I guess I was wrong about Bob this whole time....lol....not!

Well I'm concerned the Mayan calendar is going to run out before they get there cars  :o
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 17, 2012, 07:04:32 AM
Got an Email from Joe. Their cars are not done. They got to hear Jay's car run. They are going to start  making weekly trips to banditland to check on Bob's progress.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 17, 2012, 10:17:00 AM
Got an Email from Joe. Their cars are not done. They got to hear Jay's car run. They are going to start  making weekly trips to banditland to check on Bob's progress.

LOL..I am sure that is the solution!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 17, 2012, 10:23:45 AM
Is Bob paying for all these trips and all their time off?  This is ridiculous!  There is no reason a businessman should have to be babysat to do a job he was paid to start over a year ago. How is this not criminal when you couple it with his other 30 plus victims he's doing nothing for???  It's obvious that he can't or won't follow through on his commitments. There needs to be a serious overhaul of our legal system that allows such a lowlife criminal to keep going.

I finally spoke with one of his employees yesterday and was told they hadn't been paid in weeks.  This employee doesn't feel they work for him anymore.  I hope they'll share what they know with the NC AG, FBI, IRS, DMV, or police that are all watching him.  Maybe that will help stop him from swindling more people.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 17, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
Well Joe did not go this time, Just Eli and Jay. I've exchanged several Emails with Joe but he is adament about the choices they are making.
  Those that do not remember history are condemned to repeat it!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 17, 2012, 11:29:48 PM
So, let me get this straight...

1. Bingo Bob managed to miss yet another deadline.
2. Employees aren't being paid for the work they are doing.
3. Since Bingo Bob missed his deadline, he's causing the current "customers" to spend their own time, money, gas, tolls(?), etc to check on his progress so they get their cars.

So he's basically making them pay MORE for a car they already paid for. Yep, that's a bargain in my book. And I wager if the unpaid wages are true, the employees probably won't be there for too much longer.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 18, 2012, 07:24:52 AM
So, let me get this straight...

1. Bingo Bob managed to miss yet another deadline.
2. Employees aren't being paid for the work they are doing.
3. Since Bingo Bob missed his deadline, he's causing the current "customers" to spend their own time, money, gas, tolls(?), etc to check on his progress so they get their cars.

So he's basically making them pay MORE for a car they already paid for. Yep, that's a bargain in my book. And I wager if the unpaid wages are true, the employees probably won't be there for too much longer.

Its Bob logic at its best, and if the fish are biting, reel them in!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 18, 2012, 07:54:24 AM
And do you want to know the kicker to all that? Mr.Smith ( Eli) is calling Carol ( TA Widow) and myself " unprofessional" in our actions and comments on the Facebook page.
 I invite everybody to go to Build a Bandit and read the jerks remarks. This guy is smug, arrogant,self absorbed and condescending while covering himself in "professionalism".
 This would be the guy that Bob should pour the gas on!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on November 19, 2012, 12:48:58 AM
So, let me get this straight...

1. Bingo Bob managed to miss yet another deadline.
2. Employees aren't being paid for the work they are doing.
3. Since Bingo Bob missed his deadline, he's causing the current "customers" to spend their own time, money, gas, tolls(?), etc to check on his progress so they get their cars.

So he's basically making them pay MORE for a car they already paid for. Yep, that's a bargain in my book. And I wager if the unpaid wages are true, the employees probably won't be there for too much longer.

AND...whats the quality level of work from an employee that has not been paid in weeks?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 19, 2012, 03:44:00 PM
Just have to see the humor in this...

Dated 10/26/12:

(http://build-a-bandit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Update-10-26-12-3.jpg)


Dated 11/16/12:

(http://build-a-bandit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Update-11-16-12-2.jpg)

So in (3) weeks time, they've managed to remove the hose clamp from the upper radiator hose?? And what's with the extra radiator clamp in the middle of the hose? I thought these were all new parts from Advanced Auto (and the like)?

**BTW: These were pulled right off the Build-a-bandit website for Joe's build.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 19, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
Brian,

  not only that, but notice the olds 403 fan shroud, 301 turbo evaporator (hows that going to connect to the receiver drier? as turbo cars had a remote receiver drier.)  foil radiator cap is nice, the fuel line running into the ebelbrock carb will not clear a correct shaker base...and the sad part is, that since flounder showed off Bobs shoddy work, this is Bobs best work...but at least Eli Smith did get a correct BW super T10, wonder if Joe did??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 19, 2012, 04:24:23 PM
You catch the used distributor sitting on the cowl?

Again, flies in the face of "all new parts"...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 19, 2012, 05:28:43 PM
You catch the used distributor sitting on the cowl?

Again, flies in the face of "all new parts"...

or the cast iron intake painted silver to make it look like its aluminum, and why would you paint the thermostat housing that was actually aluminum blue?? well at least he did repaint the dash Tan...bet the windshield was not removed, so I am sure it left a "nice" edge. But, at least the cars are getting worked on...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 06:24:31 PM
Bob has a new name on Ebay. 65classicrods.

he has a 65 chevelle,73 ta, and a 65-66 hertz Mustang up for auction
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 06:39:07 PM
This is Bob McElreath.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1966-350GT-Hertz-4-speed-Dash-Pod-Off-Frame-No-Reserve-/261129810467?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccc8cb223
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 06:44:41 PM
This is Bob McElreath.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-138-Super-Sport-Off-Frame-No-Reserve-/261129810812?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccc8cb37c
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 19, 2012, 06:45:44 PM
nice find, typical Bob, lots of mistakes  on every car, the mustang shows pics from several cars, mismatched dash, glovebox door, body is not straight despite painted to perfection, looks like he is even unsure about the wheels, TA has C&C tops, and he thinks that's an asset, I guess just like the 2 tone door panels, 76-78 cluster, and 79-81 rear flares, the chevelle does not even have the correct seats in it, they are poorly upholstered 67-68 seats....nice job Bob!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 06:46:00 PM
This is Bob McElreath.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-73-True-Trans-Am-455-4-speed-Numbers-Matching-No-Reserve-/261129828028?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccc8cf6bc
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 06:53:48 PM
Please guys...I NEED ALL OF YOU TO REPORT THESE ITEMS TO EBAY. thanks!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on November 19, 2012, 07:01:19 PM
just reported all 3
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on November 19, 2012, 07:04:16 PM
The master cylinder booster went from black to gold. That's got to count for something, right?  lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on November 19, 2012, 09:41:27 PM
well from what I've been reading on here about this guy I think really he's not doing anything illegal all he is doing is pre-selling a product that he plans on building. He has built some cars in the past and is in the process of building cars so technically he is filling some orders granted it's taking a looonnnnng time but he is producing some cars. It's like ordering a part from Year One with out them telling you it's on backorder they have you pay for it in advance and then they give you a round about time frame of having it, you will eventually get it but it may take a few months. From what I see of his operation that's the same thing he is doing but on a larger scale. All orders placed now are on backorder till present orders get filled all he is doing is lying about when the completion date will be which granted as a business owner is totally wrong and maybe in his eyes the cars are show quality from what he is used to driving himself or from other cars he sees in his part of the country. I'm not trying to defend him and what he is doing because he is praying on people that might not know a lot about cars but I was always told that if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. It's always a buyer beware when it comes to buying cars. I don't know what his contracts look like so I don't know what the stipulations are for receiving a completed car and what time frame or what the stipulations are for people opting out of the build. A lot of times monies are deducted for work already done on said vehicle for the customer so if they said they already did 3000.00 worth of work then they would take that off the refund. Once again just saying cause I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 09:49:24 PM
79Ban 1,

   There are people that have had orders since 2010 waiting on their cars! Plus just look at the 73 T/A...

 These are SOME of the things wrong with it!

   
rear wheel flares are 79-81, under hood should be black, steering wheel is
a 80-81, intake, carb and fuel line are wrong, hood to cowl gasket is
installed wrong, hood hinges are incorrect finish, shaker base is wrong
(not even a ta part) window trim should be silver, not black, exhaust tips
are wrong, it has splitters, they were not introduced until 1976, door pull
on drivers door is out of the help section at a parts store, and were is a
pic of the trim tag??how about PHS??

 He clearly the reason the phrase " buyer beware" was written!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 09:55:16 PM
Plus 79BAN1,,,If you order a part from YEAR ONE and it's on back order and you ask for your money back you get it! That's not the case with Bob McElreath! Nobody...I repeat nobody has gotten a full refund except for one person that I know of.  He is Not..repeat Not running a bussiness, it's a Ponzi scheme at best and an outright fraud more than likely.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on November 19, 2012, 10:09:52 PM
I'm not sayin that his cars don't have a lot of things wrong with them which they do but to the average person out there that doesn't know about it would think that it's all original just because he tells them so. I've been in the automotive field for almost 30 years now and have see a lot of people get taken advantage of over the lack of knowledge I was one of those people when I bought my first Vette at 16. I didn't know anything about it for what was original or not I was just going off what the owner told me. then I got it home and showed my friend that was a Corvette restorer and he began to show me all the things wrong I felt like an idiot but I was young and stupid at the time when it came to cars. Bob plays on peoples ignorance when it comes to these cars. I talk with people every day that know nothing about cars when they bring them into the shop that I work at and I could pretty much sell them just about anything when it comes to fixing their car just because they don't know it's a matter of trust. A lot of people think that all persons selling a car or selling anything are going to be honest about it all but unfortunately most aren't. That's why I tell all our customers if they are thinking about buy a used car to let me go with them to look at it. I've had countless people selling  car stating that it's never been it  wreck but then when I find damage or show then the paint difference they are like oh I never knew that oh but wait your the original owner. My friend and I have been trying to get a TV show going to educate people about the automotive world so when they see people like Bob and his operation they would think twice.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 10:14:11 PM
Well Ban, I hope you get that TV show! Please put the spotlight on Bob McElreath as you first project!

 Good luck with those endeavours!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on November 19, 2012, 10:55:31 PM
the ad for the 73 doesn't say you are bidding on a build to be, it is listed and described as the photo shown ..as if the car exists already. The winning bidder should be able to drive straight there after the auction and load the car. He says the t-tops are 1 of a kind, the only one he knows to exist but I would put money that car is not available and a buyer will never take possession. His ads are misleading. Has anyone that has visited banditland seen this 73???It is finished so it should have been seen or even shown as the great example of work he does.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 19, 2012, 11:37:21 PM
Solar...did you see he values it at 45K but has no reserve on the car?.......PLEASE!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on November 19, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
saw that, also see 13 bidders as of now. Someone please lead these blind sheep to greener pastures before they find it is all a mirage
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on November 20, 2012, 12:31:26 AM
Did any one notice the vin number for the car I thought if it was a 73 it would be 2v87 but his it's a 2w87 wouldn't that make it a 75 or newer?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on November 20, 2012, 07:37:15 AM
That is true, should be 2V87...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 20, 2012, 07:55:06 AM
That 73 is probably a tribute car that someone took a newer body and tacked on a 73 front clip. Could confirm that if Bob actually showed the rear bumper of the car. Tail light kinda looks like a 77 and up painted silver but I'll admit I'm outa my league on that call.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on November 20, 2012, 09:57:33 AM
it does have the flat rear window, so when that stop 74??  75 had the wrap around rear window right?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 20, 2012, 10:05:43 AM
I am pretty sure its a 71-73 body, most likely a 73, what I would like to see is the rear sway bar and mounts. since so much of the car is pieced together from other years, that would be the tell tale as to if the shell was in fact an early TA at some point.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on November 20, 2012, 08:53:04 PM
Anyone one have the address to the build a bandit  shop   
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 20, 2012, 09:14:41 PM
3082 Cane Creek RD    Fairview NC  28730   Is one shop.

 
1040C OLD US 70 BLACK MOUNTAIN, NC. 28711  is the other one.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on November 21, 2012, 02:03:42 AM
Thanks flounder.   
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Dark T/A on November 21, 2012, 07:37:21 AM
This is Bob McElreath.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-T-Top-73-True-Trans-Am-455-4-speed-Numbers-Matching-No-Reserve-/261129828028?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccc8cf6bc

This guy needs to be stopped. Can't Believe Ebay allows multiple IDs to be created. You would think ebay could red flag when the same IP attempts to create another ID.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 21, 2012, 08:46:03 AM
Dark, I could not agree with you more! From my standpoint they certainly could do a better job.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 21, 2012, 09:33:31 AM
nice of Bob to list a correct 73 vin number on his auction.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 21, 2012, 02:51:18 PM
I didn't know 73's came with T-tops?.......That's not right....is it?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on November 21, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
Those T-Tops are not factory they are concept T-Tops aftermarket and no they are not rare I've seen plenty of cars with them. But to the average person that knows nothing about those year of cars might think they are factory just because Bob tells them. The majority of people bidding on his auctions probably don't really know thing one about cars just that they like that make and model of car be it a Mustang or Chevelle or TA.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on November 21, 2012, 03:12:58 PM
Perhaps bob is just as dumb as all these people and really believes that they are factory. The guy is such a joke it's not even funny
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 21, 2012, 10:44:21 PM
Yeah right.  My guess is that the average guy bidding is shill bidding - without Bob's knowledge of course.  Bob wouldn't dream of being dishonest.  I wonder if there's a way for e-bay people to find out.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 21, 2012, 11:03:00 PM
Well Carol,

  I would say if the car is from Swannanoa, North  Carolina.............Please do your homework!

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 22, 2012, 04:56:59 PM
I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on November 22, 2012, 07:48:31 PM
Even Bob? ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 22, 2012, 08:15:35 PM
I hope Bob has a flat tire driving to Tallahassee
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 23, 2012, 11:34:42 PM
Tallahassee??

You do know he's more than likely headed to Vegas since everything that happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas...like the finances for his business...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 24, 2012, 07:04:09 AM
This time Brian, I KNOW he went to Talahassee! But Hey Biloxi is not that far away and they have PLENTY of casinos right on the Gulf coast!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on November 24, 2012, 08:30:44 AM
Its almost a month later. did Eli and Joe get there cars?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 24, 2012, 08:35:49 AM
Not yet, They are supposed to go back just before X-MAS
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 24, 2012, 08:40:45 AM
I see the 65' chevelle auction on Ebay ended early. I wonder if that means another victim is born!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 24, 2012, 08:52:16 AM
Not yet, They are supposed to go back just before X-MAS

I thought they said at least one of them was going each week for a "weekly" visit, I am sure no visit this week due to Thanksgiving, guess we will see next Friday...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 24, 2012, 08:59:34 AM
Well you are right Midyear, Joe said he would go back weekly but Eli said he would be back just before X-Mas to take possesion of his car.....good luck with that.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 24, 2012, 10:48:08 PM
Well maybe in Talahassee he"ll have a come to Jesus moment and actually refund Tawidow the funds due to her.

Hey, I can hope right? Tis the season afterall...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 25, 2012, 07:46:23 AM
Funny, I left him messages for the last couple weeks saying just about the same thing for all 36 of us - now there are more victims to add.  I don't think it's going to happen in this lifetime for him.  You have to have a soul first.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 29, 2012, 08:59:15 AM
Well I see after peruseing the BAB facebook page I see that yet another Bob the Bandit victim has surfaced!
 He waited 2 years before even asking for a refund.  Wonder when this nightmare is going to end?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on November 29, 2012, 12:31:13 PM
Did the newspaper ads get anywhere?  Its been very quiet aroud here
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on November 29, 2012, 12:42:00 PM
Well I see after peruseing the BAB facebook page I see that yet another Bob the Bandit victim has surfaced!
 He waited 2 years before even asking for a refund.  Wonder when this nightmare is going to end?
Since he sold that 73 for $23,000 he should have money to reimburse some here. Would like to hear that buyer comment on his experience. Can he be traced on ebay to ask?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 29, 2012, 01:07:29 PM
Solar, I doubt that he sold that car. If he did, he has bigger troubles on his hands! The VIN that he displayed to that 73 actually belongs to a car he sold 6 months ago to a guy in Dallas Texas. I've been in touch with that guy and he varified that the VIN Bob posted on Ebay was the VIN to the POS 73 that Bob sold him. He told me it was a rust bucket and that BOB asked him for more money to fix it up!
 The buyer declined because he had his own restorer. He stated to me the only reason he bought it was because it was originally brewster green which was a pretty rare car. Now he is wondering if BoB swapped VINs on his car. The authorties have been notified!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on November 29, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
VIN tampering will get him behind bars quicker than his current business model
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on November 29, 2012, 01:46:30 PM
One can only hope!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 29, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
I sure hope he swapped the VIN's on cars.  Nothing else seems to get anyone's attention to do anything this decade.  The ad did get in for one day, then the advertising manager yanked it.  She's acting as if I snuck the ad past her by going first to her and then to the classified to get it in.  The only reason I went to the classifieds was that she transferred me to that department and told me to try them - long story.  I've been trying to get around her since I found out why it got yanked.  A person that lives in the area saw the ad and said that it was very easy to spot and easy to understand.  I hope Bob noticed.  I let his corrupt wife and stepson know about it too since the stepson had an honorable mention.  The wife and mother should be so proud of her family.

Absolutely nothing is going on this end.  I call Bob every day and leave a message asking the thief to call me.  He has returned my call once in nearly 180 days.  That was back around August 1st.  That's it.  So much for his 90 day refund policy.  I saw the guy on the website that's been waiting 3 years now for the refund.  Makes you wonder WTF the government is doing to let him go on this long.   I'm not holding my breath for anything to happen soon.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on November 29, 2012, 04:14:50 PM
TaWidow - put the ad in his local Craigslist. It's free and should get the same amount of attention these days. Could do surrounding areas as well to get the word out.

Again, sorry that this is dragging out.


I'm not too surprised you're seeing more and more people come out of the woodwork saying they've been duped by Bob. I am surprised that the person has been waiting 3+ years for a refund. That's totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on November 29, 2012, 05:28:13 PM
.  Makes you wonder WTF the government is doing to let him go on this long.   I'm not holding my breath for anything to happen soon.

they are only concerned about whether or not he pays his taxes on all the sales....short them a dime and they are on you like ....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on November 30, 2012, 09:13:12 AM
Bob picked up the phone twice today!  Of course he hung up both times as soon as I said who I was.   

My ad is now on Craigslist.  I got an e-mail on it already.  Some guy says:
GO to the POLICE,,, he is considered a contractor,, in business NEW laws passed in 2012,,, if they take payment and dont finish job ,or dont do job Right,, it can be prosecuted as THEFT.. which means if they dont refund money,,,,,, they Serve JAIL TIME...Go talk with police, they will contact them , they will inform you to sent letter, demanding refund.. send certified aswell after they sign for letter THEY have 10 days to refund after that can be arrested for theft...

The police and NC AG's office haven't seemed to hear of this law.  Does anyone know if it exists?  I've googled it and come up empty.  If it doesn't apply to refunds and only applies to people still owed cars I hope that some of you can follow up on it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 02, 2012, 08:21:30 PM
I see another victim has surfaced on the BAB/facebook site but I think he is in denial as he feels Joe was the most credible poster on that site. I'm sure his attitude will change with time........I know mine did.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 03, 2012, 02:36:07 PM
I just added a new complaint with FTC.  Does anyone know how they tie in with the other agencies.  This loser is being investigated by the NC AG, police, FBI, IRS, DMV.  Buyer beware should only go so far.  He is so good at hiding the truth from potential victims.  They don't know what hit them until months or a year down the road.

180 days today - still no word.  Last he talked at me he said he was looking over my contract.  That was in September.  He reads pretty slowly.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 03, 2012, 07:11:08 PM

180 days today - still no word.  Last he talked at me he said he was looking over my contract.  That was in September.  He reads pretty slowly.
Maybe the stress is getting to him and he can't read good?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on December 03, 2012, 08:10:07 PM

180 days today - still no word.  Last he talked at me he said he was looking over my contract.  That was in September.  He reads pretty slowly.
Maybe the stress is getting to him and he can't read good?

Obviously he is blind as he did not see all that rust he missed on Flounder's car and stated how nice the paint was. Try sending him the letter in brail.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on December 03, 2012, 08:14:55 PM
Looking back I can see why it was good TAwidow cashed that $2k check. Better than nothing
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 03, 2012, 09:48:35 PM
My thinking was that I was probably never going to see anything more.  The company is probably going to go bankrupt or he'll continue to just rob everyone and get away scott free like he's been doing for years.  I don't like being right in this case.

A couple of people think that I want him forced into bankruptcy.  That's so far from the truth.  I want him and his family in jail.  Bankruptcy will do nothing but clean his slate.  He's changed his name 10 times now that I know of.  He has no problem doing it again or using anyone in his family as an accomplice or scapegoat.  He's even naming current victims as references and mediators.  I'm wondering how old his daughter has to get before he starts getting her to sign things.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 04, 2012, 11:50:01 AM
The more I think about it - I'm guessing that the $2000 was relly just a gift from Bob.  After all, he accused me of coercing his little bitty stepson into the contract.  He claims it wasn't enforceable.  Why would he give a partial refund on a contract that he claims never existed?  I really should be looking for updates on my showroom quality car.  It should be ready in 4-6 months according to the only contract Bob now says exists between us.  I e-mailed and asked for the VIN and title.  I wonder if I'll get the same VIN as the last auction winner.  3rd time's the charm for Bob.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 06, 2012, 07:55:31 AM
Joe and his group got updates yesterday.  The 12/21 pick up date has been pushed out.  What a surprise.  That professional method of buttering Bob up is really working well.

At some point even the most arrogant of that group will have to admit that nothing will work with Bob except putting him in jail.  No one will get what they paid for so long ago.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 06, 2012, 04:36:18 PM
TA widow, you know that's what Bob does best, make promises that he can't keep.

 My builder suggested that one of the reasons Bob is not married is because it would be easier for him and Erica to get Gov't assistance. Remember, he does not have a bussiness ( no corporation or LLC). He has a special needs child. So put all the things we know about Mr.McElreath and it would not be a reach for him to be on the Gov't Payroll. SS,SSI,welfare, food stamps you name it!

 Makes perfect sense to me. Bob the Bandit........that's his MO.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 06, 2012, 09:56:04 PM
So at least part of that is understandable.  I mean, what would he put down for a profession?  Professional thief or swindler?

I don't think thief is a taxable job unless he went into politics.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 09, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Hello All,

 I was looking at all the years of cars that Bob usually tries to sell. I looked under reviews just to see what people had to say about certain cars.
 It seems there are ALOT of sellers on Ebay misrepresenting cars there. I'm sure they can't all be Bob but there are alot of BOB-LIKE sellers on Ebay. It also appears that EBAY can do little about it! Ebay's buyer protection program only covers cars 10 years or newer but they don't state that.
 If someone ever started an EBAY-LIKE site that guaranteed accuracy by the seller or your money back they would make a FORTUNE!

  Bob's day is coming!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 10, 2012, 03:10:43 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 12, 2012, 05:37:27 PM
Its been awhile since i have came to this site, i happen to stumble onto this thread. I did notice the ebay adds awhile back for trans am resto's, and I shook my head knowing it wouldn't last long. Any shop that gives you a to good to be true resto price, RUN and FAST !! This happens over and over again. Folks, there is NO way, EVER you can do a full resto for under 20k...EVER !! Some of you may remember Transformation Restorations, he did the same stuff, and now sits behind bars. I feel bad for the unsuspecting people, but in the end its your duty to do your home work and research these shops, google them, get reference's, check thier shop out. Its cheaper to loose money on a plane ticket or fuel for your car then to re-coupe thousands. The sad part is, these crooks get away with it, for quite awhile with sometimes just a slap on the hand.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on December 12, 2012, 08:02:43 PM
Muscle Car Alley has built some show winning cars that's for sure. Their about 7hrs from me and I think I may just drop off my 77 TA Y82 4spd to get the Tom treatment.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 12, 2012, 10:16:53 PM
Muscle Car Alley - What did they get Transformations Restorations for?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on December 13, 2012, 05:39:52 AM
What did they get Transformations Restorations for?

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6108 (http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=6108)

http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=36235.0 (http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=36235.0)

http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=34238.75 (http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=34238.75)

"Ryan said that Daugherty provided consumers with written contracts that promised to restore classic year Trans Ams to "like new" condition. Daugherty allegedly accepted considerable down payments, representing one-half of the labor costs in the contract price, and billed the consumers extra for any parts that were needed to restore the vehicle to "like new" condition.

The lawsuit alleges that Daugherty misled consumers about the progress of the repair work on their automobiles by making means that included providing consumers with photographs that supposedly were the consumers' vehicles.  Those pictures falsely showed progress made on the restoration work."

sound familiar??

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 13, 2012, 08:11:36 AM
Its truly sad, most people cannot re-coupe financially from this fraud. I am starting to see this type of scam more and more.

Are checks, wires being sent to the person in question in this thread in his name or company name ?? Also why would anyone pay in full for a service not started or complete ? Thats just nuts !!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 13, 2012, 08:14:36 AM
Muscle Car Alley has built some show winning cars that's for sure. Their about 7hrs from me and I think I may just drop off my 77 TA Y82 4spd to get the Tom treatment.

Thanks !!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on December 13, 2012, 08:29:24 AM
Tom and his crew at MCA did the work on my Y88. HIGHLY recommended PROFESSIONALS!!!!

VERY SATISFIED CUSTOMER!!!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 13, 2012, 12:38:26 PM
MCA, the sad thing IS...it has lasted this long and is on-going! The NC AG has been made aware of what Bob McElreath is doing. Has complaints from numerous victims and STILL has yet to act.

 Just recently BAB (BOB) posted a 73 TA on Ebay under the screen name 65classicrods.

 The VIN that was given for the car actually belonged to a car he sold 6 months earlier to a guy in Houston Texas. So he is STILL a very real threat and EBAY seems to care less.
 They do little if anything to police their site. Their buyer protection service does not apply to a car older then 2002 ( 10 years or older ) and if you look at the reviews of the 65-66 mustangs,65-67 Chevelles, 70-79 Trans Ams there are numerous entries of people who have been hoodwinked by unscroupulous sellers with little or NO recourse!

  Bob is just one of many! I will never ( again) buy a car off of Ebay without personally inspecting the car or paying a professional to do it for me. The risk is just too great not to!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on December 13, 2012, 12:54:29 PM
Tom (MCA),

The problem is that the public is so greedy for a "great deal" that they refuse to see the writing on the wall...even if its in NEON with people pointing it out to the "customer" and even reading it to them. The deal with BAB is that he promises a "discount" if you pay in full at the end of the "auction". Often, the same car is sold over and over again. As you mentioned, once they figure out they've been taken its a decision they make to either A.) Fight or B.) Put up with the BS in the eventual hopes that they don't lose their initial investment. Bob preys on the fact that most people choose option B so he can continue to operate. And at that point, he has them over a barrel as most people probably can't afford the legal fees, time, or foot the additional shop bills to have another shop correct all the "work" done by Bob.

Those, like Flounder, who choose to fight and retrieve their cars are often disappointed in the "quality" of the build. Again, the writing was on the wall already as cars previously released showed all the flaws, and then some, of the "work" being done by Bob.

Ebay is perpetuating the problem by allowing this guy to change screen names at a whim, listing the exact same cars, and not doing anything to police their own site to avoid the very problems this is creating.

And yes, I agree that 10-15 years ago, a contract was a contract. A man's word was worth something so if he made a promise he darn near killed himself trying to make it right. These days, the almighty $ drives everyone and it seems that if a deadline is missed, if the car isn't as described, its no fault of the shop and the owner can pound salt.

You sir, are an exception to that. Again, many thanks for the work you guys did on my Y88. You bent over backwards on that car and I will continue to send people your way.

- Brian
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 13, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
Brian, in all fairness there is a segment of the population ( myself included ) that are naive regarding what is entailed in a QUALITY restoration of a Trans Am . I did NOT do my due dligence! That's no ones fault but mine and yes the idea of getting a "break" in the price for full payment did appeal to me. That too was naive of me.

 Had I joined this site BEFORE handing over my hard earned $ to Bob the Bandit that would have never happened.

 Having said all that still does not negate the fact that Bob McElreath needs to be held accountable for his actions. I keep hearing from authorities that it's a civil matter. There seems to be a big disconnect between what is a civil matter and a criminal action and this needs and should be addressed by some gov't agency.

 Sites like this need to be given a thumbs up for not only promoting Trans Ams and the issues that arise through owning/working on them but also keeping John Q aprized of the scam artists like Bob that are lurking on Ebay ( the internet ) just looking for an angle to fleece unsuspect people like myself.

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 13, 2012, 02:08:54 PM
Don't be to hard on yourself  Flounder as you are not alone . I joined this site after I payed for a TA , big mistake!!
I had some stressful days back then and am lucky I recouped most of it .  I never would have believed there was that many scam artists out there .
I feel bad for you and TA widow  because your nightmare has been allot longer than mine .And let me tell you  I was so happy when it was behind me .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 13, 2012, 02:36:26 PM
Thanks Rain. Plus I feel fortunate that I DID find a restoration bussiness who's owner is VERY knowledgeable and has actively taken an interest in my plight and helped me in many ways to get the word out about Bob McElreath.

 As he has explained to me many times " Guys like Bob the Bandit" hurt guys like him who are legitimately doing what they love. Turning out great looking cars! He has been very helpful in just about every aspect of my issues with Mr. McElreath. From loaning me the trailer to get my Bobmobile to making sugestions as to what I really need and he has also been very receptive to what I want out of the car.

  As with so many aspects of life when one door closes another opens up.
I'm also thankful I've found this site and all the  knowledgeable people that have been very helpful on this site.
 
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 13, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
Yes I'm was very happy to see some real progress on ypur TA by someone who actually knows and cares about what there doing . Very impressed from what I've seen so far .
This sites been a great help for me too . Only wish I could go to the Nats and buy these guys a much deserved beer or 3
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 13, 2012, 05:05:24 PM
what this guy is doing is called "theft by deception." It took along time for the authorities to catch up with the other mentioned shop, and this was only because of the dedication to one guy in paticular. All the people got together and went after him as a group. But it was a big fight to get the authorities to act, it was like you were bothering them. I will pm you a guys email that went throught the same thing, maybe he can point you into a direction legally
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 13, 2012, 05:05:55 PM
Brian, thanks for your great comments !!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 13, 2012, 11:22:13 PM
Precisely! I feel that I'm annoying the powers that be! They call this a civil matter. Well it's all I can do to be civil about what Mr. McElreath did....not just to me because I at least got something but there are others that have nothing to show for the monies they have forked over to this crook .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 14, 2012, 07:26:33 AM
It was very confusing on how the authorities worked, they let him continue to operate his business, they NEVER contacted any of the present clients to inform them of the situation. This in turn led The said con man continue to rip his clients off, then meantime he is pulling in new clients and doing it to them. All this is happening while being investigated and law suites against him. My opinion is, the local D.A and police dropped the ball big time, in fact allowed this guy to continue ripping people off. One client completely lost his car from vin tampering, meaning the con man did not want to fix the rust on the original body and switched vins.

Also, he collected funds in his name, he never paid taxes on any of the money.

What burns me is that people like me work hard, do things the right way and honestly, and always get it up the a$$. While these crooks just get away with it with minumal reprocaution. Its crazy and thinking about it is ruining my morning..... >:(
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on December 14, 2012, 08:10:16 AM
Brian, thanks for your great comments !!!

Tom,

You're welcome. I've been the recipient of your professionalism and am still trying to pay YOU back for all that was done. You will be seeing me in 2014 with the Y88...I have a minor touchup issue on the rear bumper (I did this..long story) and I want you guys to swap out my Holley carb for a correct Q-jet. I'll be in touch :)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on December 14, 2012, 08:46:37 AM
What burns me is that people like me work hard, do things the right way and honestly, and always get it up the a$$. While these crooks just get away with it with minumal reprocaution. Its crazy and thinking about it is ruining my morning..... >:(

could not agree more...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 14, 2012, 09:02:36 AM
I'm a firm believer in Karma. Just like the guy in Pa got his ( eventually ) Bob will get his as well!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 14, 2012, 03:06:45 PM
I finally got a response from Bob.  He says that the funds will be available to pay me my refund on January 17th.  I hope this time it happens it would nice for the kids and I to put this behind us and move on.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on December 14, 2012, 04:17:37 PM
I finally got a response from Bob.  He says that the funds will be available to pay me my refund on January 17th.  I hope this time it happens it would nice for the kids and I to put this behind us and move on.


So what finally got him to call you.  Did you do anything else to push hit buttons.  I really hope you get your money back. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 14, 2012, 04:26:53 PM
If you recieve the funds, good for you. But who is the next victim that gave money up to pay you back ??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 14, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
Two new Bob the Bandit cars on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-2-door-1965-Mustang-Fully-Restored-No-Reserve-/261142526118?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccd4eb8a6


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-T-Tops-1974-Fully-restored-Corvette-No-Reserve-/261142538465?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3ccd4ee8e1
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 14, 2012, 06:09:16 PM
According to Bob, I went to one of his shops and verbally accosted his employees and then physically accosted them by spitting on them.  Who knew that was how to get him to offer to repay a person?  Of course I was a couple hundred miles away.  Thankfully I volunteered at my son's school (signed in twice), got a document notarized at the DMV, went to the Georgia Aquarium with my cousin, and then had the cousin spend the night at my house with her kids.  I can only hope no one else gets victimized for the refund.

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: norwood on December 14, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
What burns me is that people like me work hard, do things the right way and honestly, and always get it up the a$$. While these crooks just get away with it with minumal reprocaution. Its crazy and thinking about it is ruining my morning..... >:(


Tom,  I don't think   that Jason went to Jail but he  was ordered to make restitution to the tune of 100,000 plus....A ruined reputation and  five years of probation...




Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on December 14, 2012, 07:10:52 PM
This guy is an absolute nut case.   He must be on some crazy drugs
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Muscle Car Alley on December 15, 2012, 08:51:56 AM
Norwood - He did serve 6 months for not paying restitution.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 15, 2012, 09:41:00 AM
6 months for not paying restitution...only? or 6 months and still required to pay in full?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 15, 2012, 02:58:54 PM
Correspondance from another Ebay victim!



    Dear productionoffroad,

65classicrods is a crook! He used to auction of builds on 77-79 TA's and take over 2 years to build poorly constructed/painted cars. Do yourself a favor and DO NOT DO BUSINESS with Bob McElreath!               






Dear flounder55,

We are definatly finding that out!You are not the only one that has contacted us to say that since that feedback was left.that acount had 0 feedback at the time of listing...Do you know of any other user names that they have used through e-bay...we are trying to do some more research on this clown.....Ive already found another car of his using the same "updated" vin# that he claims is for this car and spoken with another "customer" of his that he aparently is doing VERY wrong.Thanks for your input.Ron,PRODUCTION OFF ROAD


- productionoffroad








 
















Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on December 15, 2012, 04:28:25 PM
I know they say their is an a** for every seat but this is getting ridiculous
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 17, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
Nearly 200 days after my husband passed away and this is Bob's latest e-mail to me  (at least he's sort of communicating after months in the dark):

"January 17 letter will be emailed to you and overnighted so you have a hard copy.  Thatís when weíll resolve this matter or the means to resolve it will be available.  This is my last email about this."


One more month to see the contract that I've repeatedly asked to get out of the way now so he can just send the money when it "becomes available."  I hope I'm wrong, but this isn't looking good.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on December 17, 2012, 05:07:38 PM
I don't quite get this. What does he mean/what is he talking about
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 17, 2012, 09:17:31 PM
We had a contract he said he'd honor and two policies stating I'd get a full refund within 60 or 90 days.  Bob ignored them all and claimed he was bending over backward to help me somehow by not paying me.

Now, he is implying that I will have to sign a new contract promising an assortment of things on my end before he fulfills the refund which he was contractually and morally obligated to do well over 100 days ago.

For whatever reason, he refuses to send the contract to me now so we can iron out his demands before he does what he should have done about 200 days ago.  Instead, he's waiting until he says he has the funds available and then he'll begin the dialog.  Which he's already promised is his last attempt to refund me the money.

Sounds fair and reasonable, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 17, 2012, 09:43:52 PM
TA WIDOW, AS I have stated to you privately I would NOT sign ANYTHING until Bob could PROVE to me that the funds are available ( in an attorney controlled escrow account ) If you don't sign he can get it back. If you do sign the attorney can release the funds directly to you. Consult an attorney of you own first to make sure what I'm saying is true.

 By the way... I communicated with Ron today. He says the guy ( 65classicrods) is named Joe and that this guy Joe says Bob owes him money too! Yeah ,right. How did "JOE" get the VIN from a car BOB sold previously.

 I smell a rat! I told him under NO circumtances should he remove that negative feedback. That's his ONLY leverage....period!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 18, 2012, 06:13:06 PM
Correspondance from an Ebay victim:

Dear flounder55,

Thanks for the info George.It apears we may actually be dealing with an x-business partner of Bobs named Joe.At least,thats what he is claiming.He says hes in litigation against Bob as well.Still alot of things not adding up at this point.We are supposed to hear back from him today.I honestly dont think we would have ever heard from him if we hadn't placed that feedback and I dont think we would have even then if he didnt have 2 other cars up for "no reserve" auction and wants to get the feedback cleared up so he has some chance of getting bids on them!Curious,do you know of an assosiate of Bob's named Joe?

  Yeah........it's not Bob....it's Joe!    Bob's evil twin!


- productionoffroad
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 18, 2012, 09:17:51 PM
So how does the old business partner come up with the title to a car that's already been sold?  I hope the police, FBI, or NC AG could figure that out.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 21, 2012, 12:21:52 AM
Wow, this must be my lucky month.  Bob has responded to my e-mail again.  Now he says he'll be sending the contract to me the day after Christmas.  Let's see if he can 1 - follow through and do something he says he'll do when he says he'll do it and 2 - send it to my father-in-law's address as requested since we're spending the holidays with him. 

Dare I say that it's a step in the right direction?  Bob has at least sent an e-mail that he'll consider doing something I've asked.  Do not confuse this with getting my hopes up.  Bob's promised to much to too many people and let every one down.  All I've asked is for him to send his ridiculous demands a couple weeks early so I can see just how ridiculous they are. 

Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 21, 2012, 02:27:36 AM
Peace on Earth........65classicrods....!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 22, 2012, 10:09:27 PM
another build a bandit victim:


Dan, did you ever get your car from Bob? Just curious.



From Karella, Daniel
To 'GEORGE PAYNE'


 
 



YupÖ.Got a good f u*kingÖ..Missing partsÖ.Whole nine yardsÖÖÖ.Donít worry  Bob said he will make it rightÖÖ He did buy me a new bushing kit that got missing and gave me 300 bucks for my trouble.

 

Itís over though. Big weight off my shoulderÖ..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 23, 2012, 06:40:55 PM
another build a bandit victim:


Dan, did you ever get your car from Bob? Just curious.



From Karella, Daniel
To 'GEORGE PAYNE'


 
 



YupÖ.Got a good f u*kingÖ..Missing partsÖ.Whole nine yardsÖÖÖ.Donít worry  Bob said he will make it rightÖÖ He did buy me a new bushing kit that got missing and gave me 300 bucks for my trouble.

 

Itís over though. Big weight off my shoulderÖ..


That outta stress him out
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 24, 2012, 11:00:52 AM
Joe Godar posted new video on his facebook page of his car. I truely can see little that was done to it. One seat was put in and a trunk lid attached. That's it! That's all I see!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on December 24, 2012, 11:13:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh4pupXzUCU&feature=share&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh4pupXzUCU&feature=share&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvFNv0CUMJY&feature=share&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvFNv0CUMJY&feature=share&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on December 24, 2012, 01:57:50 PM
As usual the photo/video quality is excellent.  Wonder why he chooses to use a camera that looks like you are filming with a pair of drunk goggles in front of the lense
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on December 24, 2012, 04:17:34 PM
Yeah I don't know who is doing the camera work but they need to lay off the alcohol before they start shooting. Either get a better camera or use your camera on your phone which is way better then this work. SLOW DOWN nice smooth movements when shooting with small cameras the key is SLOW MOVEMENTS.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 24, 2012, 05:33:46 PM
 That video is just pathetic,  but for a reason I'm sure
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on December 24, 2012, 07:09:47 PM
Is that the car that had the black metal dash and tan cap? If so, at least the dash metal got painted to match. (Or was it a tan dash with black cap?)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 25, 2012, 08:18:05 AM
Eli supposedly shot the video. You can always go to the FACEBOOK page and give him some instruction on How toshoot good video of  a car.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 25, 2012, 12:20:59 PM
Eli supposedly shot the video. You can always go to the FACEBOOK page and give him some instruction on How toshoot good video of  a car.
I doubt that would help as this had to intentional . No ones that incompetent
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on December 25, 2012, 02:14:44 PM
The seats in Joes car where stolen from my car. All my intertior plastic is missing,Powerdoor lock setup gone.The seats Bob gave me don't even go with a 78 trans am.The hood and deck lid are from another car. That place is a mess.    My car is in primer, sprayed right over the old paint. Thank god i didnt give him the whole amount up front.
But i sure got a good screwing
Dan
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 25, 2012, 06:14:35 PM
Dan, You should post that on Joe's facebook build a bandit page.....I'm sure he would like to know that!

 Did you get your motor back? I'm sure you probably did because that's traceable.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Pacman on December 26, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
You would think with all the money he got from everybody he would get a better camera..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 26, 2012, 12:01:02 PM
The seats in Joes car where stolen from my car. All my intertior plastic is missing,Powerdoor lock setup gone.The seats Bob gave me don't even go with a 78 trans am.The hood and deck lid are from another car. That place is a mess.    My car is in primer, sprayed right over the old paint. Thank god i didnt give him the whole amount up front.
But i sure got a good screwing
Dan

Omg the never ending nightmare . Dan sorry to hear this !
Using your parts for another TA , I would be some pissed


I'm surprised bab hasn't made an episode of  dateline yet . Love to see Chris Hansen talk to the team there
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 27, 2012, 07:35:09 AM
What a surprise.  Bobby is backing out of yet another promise to mail the contract yesterday and he's blaming me.  He bends over backward making empty promises to people and then  he doesn't like when people call him on it.  Go figure.  What a loser.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on December 27, 2012, 08:10:26 AM
You would think with all the money he got from everybody he would get a better camera..

I must remind you that "They are not tech savy".

At least that's what one of his "customers" claimed. So the best camera in the world wouldn't help this guy. He'd just run around the car faster  ;D

This guy needs to be behind bars at this point. And those supporting him should be right beside him. I bet as time goes on, we'll hear more and more stories about people getting ripped off. Moreso than people actually receiving their cars OR refunds.

Sorry TAWidow...I see your chances of getting a refund at this stage somewhere along the same chances as winning a round trip ticket to the moon....Ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 27, 2012, 09:32:23 AM
TA widow, what reason did Bob the bandit give for not honoring his obligation to you? A sick relative? A hospital visit? weather? There HAS to be a good reason for his backing out....... right? NO MONEY!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on December 27, 2012, 09:40:41 AM
What a surprise.  Bobby is backing out of yet another promise to mail the contract yesterday and he's blaming me.  He bends over backward making empty promises to people and then  he doesn't like when people call him on it.  Go figure.  What a loser.
Gee just when I had my hopes up . I thought  maybe there'd be a Christmas miracle or something .
Sorry to hear TA :(
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on December 27, 2012, 11:55:43 AM
call the Amish Mafia or any mafia for that matter
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on December 28, 2012, 06:38:13 AM
Oh no, no family illness.  He used his usual one for me - it's my fault.  I made comments on the internet so I obviously don't want a refund.  Of course when I stayed off the internet back in Sept/Oct for weeks and told him I was doing it so he'd know I was capable, I didn't even get a return call or e-mail - much less the refund that's a couple hundred days past due.

The only thing he does is give a few empty promises to a few victims.  I'm guessing his wife wanted a quiet Christmas and told him to get me to stop calling or e-mailing.  He made a promise that he'd send something the day after Christmas and he shut me up from contacting him until after.

I call every day and e-mail almost every day to remind him that I'm still here.  I didn't call him back in August/September as much.  When his last deadline started approaching I called again.  He claimed that he had forgotten.  I don't want him to use that excuse again.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on December 28, 2012, 09:06:50 AM
Spoke with the bidder on the 73 TA. He left a negative comment on Ebay that Bob ( Joe) disliked. In turn he has been in touch with the guy who won the successful bid on the Ebay mustang. Bob promised to trailer the mustang to Texas. No money was exchanged in either case. Bob has since bought a small item off of Ebay to get the negative comment " neutralized". That will be short-lived I am told.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 02, 2013, 09:46:41 AM
I see that 65classicrods is buying small items ( car related parts for the most part ) to shore up his Ebay rating that was recently affected ( negatively) by offroadproductions.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 02, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
I saw that too.  It's good to see that he has some money to spend.  Too bad he's not spending it on repaying the hoards of people he owes.

Does anyone know what's happening on January 17th?  That's when he said he'd have the funds available to repay me.  I'm curious what the newest con is.  I believe it's nothing - he's just hoping I shut up for a month and then he'll make up some excuse that it's my fault that he doesn't give me my money.  210 days and counting.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 02, 2013, 02:30:41 PM
210 days ,that's terrible . If he hasn't paid you in all this time , I just don't get a warm fuzzy feeling about you getting it in the near future .
I hope I'm wrong though as you've been threw enough and we'd all like to see you put this behind you .
He should owe you an additional  $100,000 for unnecessary  stress if anything
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 02, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
210 is nothing compared to the guy that's been waiting 3 years.  I consider myself a newer victim among the dozens that have been fleeced before me.  I'm just "fortunate" enough to have caught the thief early.

It's infuriating that this piece of trash isn't behind bars yet.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 02, 2013, 05:20:26 PM


It's infuriating that this piece of trash isn't behind bars yet.
Yes that part has me in disbelief .  Seems like unless you get caught murdering someone with a smoking gun in your hand your scott free in the states ?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 03, 2013, 07:58:18 AM
Actually, I'd wager its more due to a few select "customers" reporting back to the DA that Bob (BAB,etc) is working to change their ways. That way, it looks like the guy is genuinely trying to fix the problem and that the real issue is on the complainer's part, not the business.

I agree though that Bob should be cuddling up with Bubba in a state facility somewhere...

But hey, what the hell do I know? I'm not a legal eagle and I haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn recently ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 03, 2013, 08:49:01 AM
Well Brian you don't need to stay at a Holiday inn to know this guy is a crook. I spoke ( Email ) with Joe yesterday and while there was no set date of completion Bob assured Joe that HIS car was pretty close to being done. Eli's car's engine ( 455 ) had "issues" and had to go back to the engine shop. Not sure where Jay's car is in the completion order but it " appears Joe's is the futherest alone in the process.
I noticed one of the things that "Joe/Bob" bought off of Ebay was the gold bezel overlay for the TA dash bezels. That is what Bob puts on his bezels instead of getting Rand Combs to do it correctly so as far as I'm concerned 65classicrods IS Bob McElreath in cognitto.

 Joe also stated in his Email that he feels it's just a matter of time before Bob's house of cards starts to fall. He is in waaay too deep according to Joe. One can only hope !
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 03, 2013, 01:46:17 PM
If anyone is interested in helping me design a billboard ad to be put up near one of Bobís shops please contact me at edcarolinathol@aol.com
 
Iím using the about half the token money that Bob has given me to keep the police off his back. Itís just under $1000 for the first month and then between $700-800 a month. At least one company is willing to do it for just a month. Hopefully thatís all that will be needed.

Bob has decided that he doesnít have to communicate with me (and most other victims). Authorities have been ďlooking intoĒ him for years and doing nothing to force him to actually give people what theyíve paid for any time soon or stop new people from being victimized. He needs a legal wake up call to get him started doing anything he promises.

Iíd like the sign to include as many victims as possible. I donít think the names would be good Ė just their stories and time since their cars/refunds were due or shape of their cars. So far I have widow and children, soldier, cancer victim, divorcee, bucket-list.
 
It canít have too many words on it or it gets too hard to read.
 
Also, I havenít looked too hard, but I canít find his Swannanoa shop address. Does anyone have it and does anyone know which shop he goes to the most?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 03, 2013, 03:31:10 PM
I would add retirees...( me )
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 03, 2013, 04:35:12 PM
If anyone is interested in helping me design a billboard ad to be put up near one of Bobís shops please contact me at edcarolinathol@aol.com
 
Iím using the about half the token money that Bob has given me to keep the police off his back. Itís just under $1000 for the first month and then between $700-800 a month. At least one company is willing to do it for just a month. Hopefully thatís all that will be needed.

Bob has decided that he doesnít have to communicate with me (and most other victims). Authorities have been ďlooking intoĒ him for years and doing nothing to force him to actually give people what theyíve paid for any time soon or stop new people from being victimized. He needs a legal wake up call to get him started doing anything he promises.

Iíd like the sign to include as many victims as possible. I donít think the names would be good Ė just their stories and time since their cars/refunds were due or shape of their cars. So far I have widow and children, soldier, cancer victim, divorcee, bucket-list.
 
It canít have too many words on it or it gets too hard to read.
 
Also, I havenít looked too hard, but I canít find his Swannanoa shop address. Does anyone have it and does anyone know which shop he goes to the most?


I like the idea but its a slippery slope once you go down that road. I'd consult a legal eagle on the verbage so you don't open yourself up to litigation. Last thing you want is to be sued by this yahoo to finance another one of his trips to his favorite casino/bar/stripclub/whathaveyou.

If'n it were me, I'd spend the money on legal action to force him out of business. It's about the only way I see this coming to a close anytime while I'm still above ground. Otherwise, I see lots more of excuses, lack of communication, and stonewalling in everyone's future.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 03, 2013, 05:39:20 PM
Thankfully I have a couple lawyer friends.  Forcing him into bankruptcy isn't the answer.  The man has 11 aliases.  He's picked up 5 since my husband paid him!  About 4 lawyers have already told me that I'd lose even winning a case against him because he hides his money.  I'm past expecting a refund.  I'd really like a refund, but I'd sure settle for seeing him behind bars for a number of years.  Even 6 months per victim would be 20 years at least.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 03, 2013, 06:22:52 PM
$500 a month is standard price for a billboard. $700 sounds high
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 03, 2013, 06:23:21 PM
Let's not forget....In my opinion Ebay bares at least a minimal amount of responsiblity in enableing Bob to work his craft.

 I've learned a few things since this ordeal first started. Beware of sellers that have a 0 rating. Look at Ebay ratings, if the seller has good reviews but all the positive reviews are for BUYING and not selling then that might raise another red flag. If the car is more than 10 years old the Ebay buyer protection plan is USELESS! Also, if the seller wants to complete the transaction outside of Ebay or not go through Pay Pal that should raise another RED Flag. You have no recourse outside ebay should the deal go south. Also If the auction is PRIVATE so the bidders can't see who is bidding on the item that should ALSO raise a RED FLAG.

 Bottom line...be prepared to have the car inspected OR make the trip to see the car personnally. There are just too many con artists out there that use Ebay. The reason? Ebay does NOT police it's site very well and they know that!

 I commend TA widow for her grit and never quit attitude. She is never going to stop till Bob is wearing an orange jumpsuit. He should have just paid her!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 03, 2013, 08:25:22 PM
I'm beginning  to think these crooks know the system so well that they realize there impervious to the law . I don't understand how bankruptcy works , but have seen certain people with businesses do it , then suddenly appear under a new name .
I think the laws on the bad guys side , and honest hard working people are always going to fall victim .
Maybe TA has a good idea with the bill board . I'd like to see it kept simple and legible though for the most impact . We have to come up with some ideas .
That's after we find out what the liabilities may be of course , as honest people may be charged with a criminal offense
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 03, 2013, 08:55:53 PM
Rain, the truth of the matter is honest people don't look at ways or loopholes that shield them from the consequences of breaking ethical standards or legal standards that are proscribed by the law.

 While Bob McElreath may not construct sentences well he knows how to void them legally. He's been there done that, just never got the orange jumpsuit!

 persistance ( ALA TAWIDOW) is one thing Bob McElreath does not count on or can't control/ignore.

 I'd like to think Bob has stopped doing the 77-79 TA's because of my ads on Ebay that go up EVERYTIME one of his do. I will continue this should he ever try to go back there.
  You guys really helped me in dealing with my plight with Bob McElreath and I want to try to give back in some way.

 I can't give the technical advice that I've read on so many threads here and I'm a rookie at most of this I have learned the art of the con ( ALA Bob McElreath ).

  There are alot of great people on this site and the resources that reside here are awesome!

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 08, 2013, 08:53:00 AM
Now he's back selling a few parts to bump up his rating as 65classicrods.

If he hadn't sold a car using the same VIN as the car he sold months ago I'd guess it's not him.  Too bad for him he came out of the gates crooked and got caught right away.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 13, 2013, 09:17:20 AM
Another victim gets added tomorrow from ebay.  The red car was taken off - not removed by ebay - taken off.  He must have sold it off ebay.  Must be nice to never have to play by the rules.

I'm tempted to buy one of his parts he has on there just to leave feedback about who he is.  The cheapest is only $15.  I'm sure there's some law out there protecting him from that abuse.  I'd wind up fined or in jail.

The billboard is coming together.  Write me if you'd like your info on it.  You don't have to pay a thing.  I think it's important to show that it's not just one person shouting foul.  There's a huge group of us that's been taken by this loser.

edcarolinathol@aol.com
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 13, 2013, 11:05:45 AM
He has a 65 chevelle up on Ebay now.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 13, 2013, 06:35:09 PM
Bob must be having a bad day...LOL . he actually came out from under his rock and call me an SOB on the facebook site. That's almost a compliment coming from Bob the Bandit.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 13, 2013, 07:59:30 PM
Aw, how cute.  I got mentioned too.  I didn't know he cared.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Izzy on January 16, 2013, 05:24:47 PM
aww i couldnt find his facebook page
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 16, 2013, 05:30:09 PM
Joe removed Bob and some of Flounder's comments. Joe's created the facebook page under "buildabandit-reviews"

He's also created a real website www.build-a-bandit.com That's the site that had Bob's comments.  He called Flounder an SOB and mentioned that we'd been quiet for a while.  He also said I was boring for saying the same thing over and over again.

I liked Bob's comments.  It allowed outsiders a glimpse of what a nut job he is.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 16, 2013, 07:42:55 PM
Here's the link      http://build-a-bandit.com/       it's under restoration/client reviews


 But hey you missed the good parts. I think I really got under Bob's skin
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 16, 2013, 11:07:08 PM
Here's the link      http://build-a-bandit.com/       it's under restoration/client reviews


 But hey you missed the good parts. I think I really got under Bob's skin
Dang  I see they did some editing . Wish I would have seen it lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 17, 2013, 04:59:41 AM
Well Rain he's posted new stuff so you better hurry before they take that down too!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 17, 2013, 08:15:55 AM
And here I was hoping that BAB had finally given TAWidow her duly deserved refund and Flounder his parts. My hopes got busted....again.


Pretty much at this point we know nothing is really going to happen until either BAB refunds the money (unlikely) or is handcuffed (from the comments this is unlikely as well). Thread probably should be locked at this point as nothing useful is coming from it....other than padding post counts ;D

Could stay stickied as a reminder to anyone who wants to do business with this outfit.

My $0.02 on it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 17, 2013, 09:26:04 AM
I can not believe the AG didn't atleast investigate this. There is more than enough evidence of fraud. I also think TAWidow should file a civil suit to lock up his assets. I would name all his businesses, his workers, subcontractors, wife, and son or sons and him personally. Onve he is served your attorney can get all of his assets, his banking info to use against him. You should turn him into the IRS aswell and just maybe get him auditted. You just might collect enough evidence to have the AG do their job and arrest him. The more law suits the better. Flounder has never been made whole and any old customers burned if you know them. Even Joe could sue after he gets his car. Do not do small claims court. They are a joke.

You're going to spend that money on a billboard, spend it on a legal team. If you can find an attorney who has taken high profile cases he maybe able to get the news crews off their sorry butts and report on this. Some attorneys might take the case just for the publicity. Write a letter to Gloria Allred and tell her because you were a woman Bob refused to deal with you and how your husband died wanting his dream car before he passed away. She loves the news!

If you try this and fail, move on. you are done. Your billboard will go up and then be forgotten. No one will ever care. It's like once this thread is gone, out of sight out of mind.

Don't wait until everyone is bored with this story. Do it now while you have some fight left in you and people are still listening.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 17, 2013, 09:29:26 AM
One more thing.

Find someone who is good with a camera and make a YouTube Video. It has to be shocking, direct and to the point, with lots of video of the cars and of Bob hopefully cursing at you. Not of you getting arrested! Then label it Widow gets Robbed and put it on youtube and facebook and twitter. Email it in a chain letter. Get as many views as possible.

PS have someone else narrate it and when you're on camera look beaten and innocent. Don't come off as aggressive. Just be honest!

Just some tips
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 17, 2013, 01:15:07 PM
I was thinking of having my kids on a video talking about how much the car meant to their dad and what they think of Bob.  My youngest has the car bug just like his dad and grandfather.  Thankfully, my husband had a mid-80's corvette that he gets to hold on to.  It's not worth anything other than sentimental value.  The first couple times we drove it around the neighborhood we were both crying.  He turned 9 a couple weeks after his dad died.  I think he'd be good in front of a camera.  The older one is like me and likes that a car gets us places faster than walking - period.  They carry stuff to.

I'll see what I can do.  Good idea.  As for the lawyers, I've spoken to 4 or 5 of them.  They all said the same thing.  I would win without a doubt.  However, Bob has hidden all his money.  I wouldn't see anything but the lawyer's bill or $3-5000.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on January 17, 2013, 02:00:44 PM
There has to be a journalist that would take interest, maybe even a car magazine like High Performance Pontiac. Contact your local college and try a journalism student if all else fails.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 17, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
I exchanged emails with Joe Godar today and it appears there was an idiot passing himself off as Bob on the BAB Facebook site, should have known as this person spelled tooo well to be Bob. Joe stated that it was a different IP address then Bob's so he decided to block that address.
 It's bad enough that Bob did what he did but then to have some idiot impersonate the perpitrator , well, I'm at a loss for words!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 17, 2013, 04:51:47 PM
SOme good attorneys will only bill if they collect. Bob can hide his money all he wants but then his house can be leined and his cars can be taken away. If he lies about his assets in deposition then Bob goes to jail.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 17, 2013, 06:01:04 PM
Jupiter, He lives in a trailer Park...in a trailer, who wants that? I'm sure it's for reason. If there are assets.........they are well hidden I'm sure. The U-Tube idea is a good one!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 17, 2013, 06:46:58 PM
he's paying the rent for his businesses. A judge would order him to find out how and then maybe even send the IRS in to find out how many taxes he's neglected to pay
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on January 17, 2013, 06:59:03 PM
some good ideas JB, i agree the cost of a billboard is better used on lawyers
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 17, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
Jupiter , please understand that all the suggestions are GREATLY appreciated. Having said that sending the IRS in would be great for the IRS but I doubt that it would help T A Widow or myself. Anyway, like I said . The suggestions are appreciated.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 17, 2013, 07:03:56 PM
I'm going based on the fact that he has no money to pay anyone back. Evading the IRS may get him well deserved jail time. Who knows as Bob gets wind of you guys getting ready to pull the hammer down on him he just may give Flounder his rims and TAWidow her money. If not then the legal system will cost him thousands to defend himself. You 2 should get some attorneys involved and get a suit filed asap. Get the attorneys to bring him in for a court ordered deposition.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 17, 2013, 07:31:18 PM
Jupiter, I've already bought the rims and as for attorneys...I had one. Spent close to a grand with little results. He basically echoed what T A Widow has already said.

 I DO know that our campaigne has cost him financially as his builds have decreased as his notariety increases.

 My car is almost done and you can follow it from this website. http://www.allmusclecars.com/pontiacpros.html.

 I've bought the 17X 8 snowflakes, BMW 8 way power seats, Ram Air ceramic coated exhaust manfolds, Kuhmo tires, looking into a dash mounted double DIN stereo. It will have a 200R4 beefed up tranny. So the car is coming along and will be done the end of Jan 1st week of FEB.

   So I'm moving on.......... I'm still involved in outting this rat and will continue with that for some time.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 17, 2013, 08:12:21 PM
Well Rain he's posted new stuff so you better hurry before they take that down too!
Dam I believe I missed it . The last post is yours regarding spelling . Funny post actually
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 17, 2013, 08:57:41 PM
I know how bad attorneys are, I know most are bad attorneys. They love to write letters first and charge the crap out of you. What you need is to find an attorney that you skip the letters and go right into filing a suit. Then demand a fact finding deposition. If an attorney tells you he wants to write letters tell him he's a crappy lawyer and leave.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 17, 2013, 09:37:23 PM
If there's a way that I can have a part in him going to jail I'm all for it.  I'm booked up tomorrow.  I'll look next week.  I believe that the IRS and the DMV are also looking into him.  I can't remember if the cop I spoke with told me that or the NC AG's office or George.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 18, 2013, 12:44:22 AM
Bob the Bandit has new cars on Ebay. a 67 chevelle and a 73 Challenger.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 21, 2013, 11:08:40 AM
Holy crap!  I just got off the phone with a guy that worked with Bob.  He said that he got called by a detective over a year ago.  He told the detective that Bob had close to 80 victims then!!!  WTF are they waiting for???
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on January 21, 2013, 09:56:07 PM
Maybe they are trying to build a Rico case against him and his cohorts.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 21, 2013, 10:27:55 PM
Maybe they are trying to build a Rico case against him and his cohorts.
Very possible . They may be trying to do a larger investigation than you think so they can make everyone involved accountable for there actions , either that or there at the donut shop   ::)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on January 23, 2013, 08:23:07 AM
Well it looks like Bob finally delivered a car to Mr Eli Smith, judging from the pics supplied by Mr Smith, It looks like a typical 20 footer just like flounders car, 20 ft away and in low res pictures it looks good, but any pics up close sure show the flaws, just look at the top of the door in this pic, reminds me of the paint in the before pics of flounder car. Makes me wonder how long it will last...

(http://www.allmusclecars.com/ebay/pics/smithint3.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on January 23, 2013, 08:27:08 AM
where did you get that photo?  I would love to see some others.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on January 23, 2013, 08:41:21 AM
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/ebay/pics/smithnose.jpg)
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/ebay/pics/smithrear.jpg)
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/ebay/pics/smithtrailer.jpg)
(http://www.allmusclecars.com/ebay/pics/smitheng.jpg)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 23, 2013, 08:43:27 AM
I personally liked his parking brake in this photo:

(http://build-a-bandit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Smith-1-21-13-2.jpeg)

Methinks that 4x4 post does not bode well for the rest of the "quality" on this build. I mean, look at that fan shroud! Takes a few minutes with a cleaner and a rag to make that look nice and yet, BAB didn't bother so it begs the question, what else did they skip over??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 23, 2013, 09:10:52 AM
Well it looks like Bob finally delivered a car to Mr Eli Smith, judging from the pics supplied by Mr Smith, It looks like a typical 20 footer just like flounders car, 20 ft away and in low res pictures it looks good, but any pics up close sure show the flaws, just look at the top of the door in this pic, reminds me of the paint in the before pics of flounder car. Makes me wonder how long it will last...

(http://www.allmusclecars.com/ebay/pics/smithint3.jpg)

God that thing looks horrible! I guess all he needs to do is strip the stripes and bird and wet sand the hell out of it. Hope he doesn't burn through the paint. What a POS!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 23, 2013, 09:12:40 AM
Well guys this is what a $15k dollar resto looks like.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on January 23, 2013, 09:24:35 AM
pics came from here:

http://build-a-bandit.com/other-builds/smith/#comment-933 (http://build-a-bandit.com/other-builds/smith/#comment-933)

here is one critique already posted:

"glad you got your car and ended the ďbuild a banditĒ nightmare. now I guess you can get to making the car look and function as it should. From the looks of things, I would fix the parking brake first, then maybe fit the front bumper, even up the stripes, re-stripe at least the rear bumper, work on the panel fit, get the correct window felts, and for sure deluxe door panels, a correct shift knob, match up the wheel spoilers so I did not have significant difference on the look and fit of the 78 front and 79 rearsÖI am glad at least you got an intake that fit your carb, too bad its a single plane intake, while great for the drag-strip, I would advise a dual plane to increase the drivability, power, mileage and torque on your engine/car. but hey, its your car and these are just my observations. so as long as you are happy, thatís what counts."
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on January 23, 2013, 10:03:04 AM
The front end looks terrible.  Not a single line lines up between the bumper hood and fenders.  I am no expert when it comes to pointing out flaws but this car makes even me find issues.  Have we heard from the new owner yet on if he is happy or not?

I mean atleast he got something for his money
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on January 23, 2013, 10:16:06 AM
The front end looks terrible.  Not a single line lines up between the bumper hood and fenders.  I am no expert when it comes to pointing out flaws but this car makes even me find issues.  Have we heard from the new owner yet on if he is happy or not?

I mean atleast he got something for his money

  He claims to be happy, He is the one who took the pictures
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on January 23, 2013, 11:12:52 AM
Love the rusty hood hinge bolts and the missing air intake flow tube
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on January 23, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
Love the rusty hood hinge bolts and the missing air intake flow tube

Or how about the way the radiator overflow is run...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 23, 2013, 11:39:33 AM
Just got off the phone with a guy that bid on the 67 GTO that Bob the Bandit put on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-GTO-Convertible-Restored-No-Reserve-/261157484972?_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true

 He did not have the winning bid but mysteriously a guy named " Joe" called and told him the high bid fell through and that he'd let this guy have the car for 24K.

 The guy said he wanted to come see the car and guess what.........? "My son is in the Hospital" I need to go in for surgery...BLAH>>>BLAH>>>>BLAH. Typical Bob McElerath excuses. I directed him to JDONOHOE@Ebay.com as well sa Susan Davis with the NC AG.


   By the way does anybody here have access to a way to run license plate #'s....I have the Plate # from the GTO
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 23, 2013, 11:40:33 AM
Don't forget no gold grille....( if it's supposed to be an SE clone)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 23, 2013, 11:50:39 AM
So was Bob just wanting the guy to wire him the money and wait to get it?  I wonder how many people will fall for that.  So he either shill bids it up or is selling the same car multiple times.  My bet is that he is selling the car multiple times.  I wonder if he even has the car or if he's just using old pictures.  I sure wish the police or NC AG could look into this sometime soon and then ACT on it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 23, 2013, 12:16:02 PM
Don't forget no gold grille....( if it's supposed to be an SE clone)

Dang I must be tired....missed this one a few times around. What year "clone" is this supposed to be? The car has a 77/78 nose and a 79-81 tail? Looks weird. I know its a common mod but at least change out the tail lights to match the nose if you're cloning a 77/78.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on January 23, 2013, 12:22:47 PM
How can anyone be "Happy" with that junk?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on January 23, 2013, 12:35:08 PM
someone who isnt looking to win a trophy with it but to only have people think it looks nice when driving by.  that is if the tranny and motor were installed correctly.  Didn't one of built a bandits victums end up spending a bunch of money on motor/transmission work because it leaked like no one business.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 23, 2013, 12:39:03 PM
Yeah I think that was another "victim" that posted his car up on ebay a few times. I thought another 4k or so was dropped into the drivetrain of that car. I *think* it turned out that the engine was never rebuilt or rebuilt incorrectly - don't quote me on it though. In any event, the lack of quality in that particular car was rather evident.

Flounder probably has all the details as I believe he's conversed with that owner.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 23, 2013, 12:47:49 PM
Brian, I think this guy...ELI...actually wanted a 77-78 front end and a 79 rear end. Go figure. Oh and he wanted the 455 engine red.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 23, 2013, 01:16:47 PM
Brian, I talk to Randy White often. He was the one that put his car on Ebay and gave me the idea to do it. Randy had to have the tranny worked on ( they found a bolt in the bottom pan) the timing was off, in fact the timing indicator was not present on the motor. Randy put an additional 4K in the car and wound up selling ot for 17K ( bought it for 13.5K ). I think he was happy to get out from under the car.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 23, 2013, 08:07:14 PM
That close up pic of the door shows a terrible amount of orange peel , an amateur mistake .
It happeneds when you shoot to far from the vehicle .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on January 26, 2013, 08:57:06 AM
I kinda find it had to believe you guys are still beating this dead horse.....time to move on don't ya think?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 26, 2013, 10:27:28 AM
I kinda find it had to believe you guys are still beating this dead horse.....time to move on don't ya think?

Are you serious ? 
There making a movie next
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 26, 2013, 10:42:50 AM
Hey N progress,

 This horse is NOT DEAD! TA widow is still owed 13K! Bob the Bandit is still hawking cars on Ebay. He just shill bidded a 67 GTO and I have communcations from some of the bidders to prove it.

  Would you want to just let this guy go on collecting victims?  How about if it was a friend of yours? I just feel this guy needs to have his feet held to the fire as long as he continues these types of activities.

 He is counting on your dead horse therory so he can go back to way things were.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 26, 2013, 10:48:33 AM
Hey N progress,

  Would you want to just let this guy go on collecting victims?  How about if it was a friend of yours? I just feel this guy needs to have his feet held to the fire as long as he continues these types of activities.

 He is counting on your dead horse therory so he can go back to way things were.

I couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on January 26, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
I'm owed $13,000.  Add another 100 or more people that are owed just as much or more.  That's one really, really fat horse that just keeps getting fatter.  When it dies I'll let the conversation die.  Until then, if you don't like hearing about how he just added around $100,000 in the last month, then don't look at the updates.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: TransAm_Stan on January 26, 2013, 02:31:08 PM
I do not have a horse in this race, but I have been reading this & other threads about Bob's practices.

Let me first say I am sorry that so many peeps have been taken down a road they wish they never turned on to.  I really feel for you...

I can't believe that this thief has not been put in jail yet.  I just find it incredulous that he is still in business and still picking unsuspecting peoples pockets.

I will also say that keep beating this horse.  Something HAS to happen at some point.  It just has to.  Too many people have been fleeced for thousands of dollars each.

Keep up the fight.  Something has to happen, sooner or later...

Good luck to you all.

Stan
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on January 27, 2013, 06:28:49 AM
Hey N progress,

 This horse is NOT DEAD! TA widow is still owed 13K! Bob the Bandit is still hawking cars on Ebay. He just shill bidded a 67 GTO and I have communcations from some of the bidders to prove it.

  Would you want to just let this guy go on collecting victims?  How about if it was a friend of yours? I just feel this guy needs to have his feet held to the fire as long as he continues these types of activities.

 He is counting on your dead horse therory so he can go back to way things were.
I feel for those who have taken advantage of, I think Bob is a dirt bag as well.  I used to follow this post religiously but now its the same stuff over and over.  Now if you found Bob and broke his knee caps, that would be something to read about!  Posting on here over and over isn't going to get the money owed to you back any faster.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 27, 2013, 08:58:08 AM
Hey Nprgres
  I understand your position but you used to follow this post for the "entertainment" value. Now it's like re-runs to you.  The reason alot of it is the same old stuff is because the  amount of victims has slowed way down. This post ( and others) is having the desired effect.
 If your not happy or bored with what your reading LEFT CLICK to another topic.

 Bob is still out there, shill bidding cars on Ebay, promising cars he can't deliver and taking advantage of unknowing people as often as he can. I wish we COULD write something new here like " Bob McElreath sentenced to 10 years in Fraud scheme".

  But for now just posting his recent activities will have to do. Sorry but this horse is not dead, just walking the same path over and over!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 27, 2013, 03:18:15 PM
N Prgress,

 This is for you.....The build a Bandit /facebook site is crusing this site for ammo because they are desparate to discredit what we post.

 Here is a copy and paste from that site quoting you!

Zachary says:

 January 27, 2013 at 2:05 pm

Again, I maintain, you two nuts are obsessed with Bob to the point itís driving you insane!. Hell, by now, you probably know what Bobís farts smell like after he lets one loose in his underpants!

Even your own fellow forum member on that Hitman site is getting tired and bored of reading you two over and over again!. Member N PRGRES says ďI kinda find it hard to believe you guys are still beating this dead horseÖ..time to move on donít ya think?Ē
 
1,023 posts since August 16, 2012 on that site and nothing has been accomplished, you two are just full of hot air that just enjoy repeating yourselves over and over again!. You two need to get a life and move on because this dead horse cannot be rivived!


 So you see  N prgress....they are worried. Zachary is Bob's red headed step child that Bob is teaching the tricks of his trade
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on January 27, 2013, 03:49:22 PM
Huh guess he decided to leave out the part about being a dirt bag and needing his knees broken lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 27, 2013, 03:50:10 PM
Don't worry I added that in later.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 27, 2013, 03:51:29 PM
But hey............here's the website..........you can tell him yourself!   http://build-a-bandit.com/
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on January 27, 2013, 08:12:41 PM
How does he expect people to walk away from their money that is owed to them. Do they really expect people to simply say ok lesson learned they can have my 15k for nothing.  What a bunch of idiots
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on January 28, 2013, 12:00:58 PM
How does he expect people to walk away from their money that is owed to them. Do they really expect people to simply say ok lesson learned they can have my 15k for nothing.  What a bunch of idiots

I'd venture to say that's what they're hoping for...  What I want to know is, if Bob has that many victims, that's a lot of dough he's stolen!  Why is he living in a trailer?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 28, 2013, 01:06:42 PM
JMurray ,
   the trailer comment is very EASY to figure out. A house ( unlike a trailer) has real value  that usually increases the longer you own it. A trailer, does not. IF....you were to put Mr.McElreath into Bancruptcy a house would be an asset, a trailer....? Not so much.  The less he owns the harder it is to go after assets. It's not hard to figure out.  Now , I'm not saying that someone is going to do that but if I had Bob's mindset I'd do exactly what he has done and sadly, so far. it's working!

  Update: as of last night the build a Bandit/ Facebook site is unavailable/inactive/shut down. Not sure which one but it's out of action at the present.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on January 28, 2013, 01:32:48 PM
While I suppose you're right George about Bob's tactics and that he is low life scum, what's the point of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from people if you're not going to use it to buy something cool?!

As far as the website being down...  Well "Mr. Smith" was probably the backer of said website and since he's extraordinarily happy with his car he's taking his ball and going home.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 28, 2013, 01:41:38 PM
OR....Mr Smith, upon closer inspection of his vehicle, has now decided that his POS really is a POS and he's PO'd...


Nah...what am I thinking??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 28, 2013, 01:44:24 PM
Well JMurray,

 What your saying has alot of merit but Bob does have toys. In the last couple of months he auctioned on Ebay a 67 Chevelle, a 75-76 corvette, a 73 Dodge Challenger and a 67 GTO rag top and a 66 Mustang.

 Now granted some of these cars have appeared multiple times so he is either shill bidding them or getting a down payment and running ( he does this outside of Ebay so the victim has little recourse).

As for the website...actually Joe Godar started the website, Mr.Smith was just one of the so-called 3 amigos. I suspect Joe came back from a weekend trip and saw the heated exchanges on that site and decided to shut it down to cleanse it .

 We actually saw some of the build a bandit family ( ZACH) use comments made on this site to discredit T A WIDOW and myself.
 sounds like acts of desparation to me but you guys be the judge.

 Anyway I feel T A Widows efforts and to a lesser extent mine are starting to pay off in a drop in the victim count.

  Oh and by the way, it seems Bob has a gambling habit so some of his loot probably goes to that past time as well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 28, 2013, 03:56:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUKQmdfass&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A&index=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUKQmdfass&list=UUC8oI5yQ1owlMt96q1GJx7A&index=1)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 28, 2013, 04:10:05 PM
Thanks Jupiter!  Is it me?....or do those door panels have waves like the ocean in them.......just curious. Does that motor sound right?   Sounds like a skip to me but hey........I'm no expert.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on January 28, 2013, 05:13:01 PM
Why does the rear wheel well pin stripes not go all the way down? The sound of that motor would make me nervous, definitely has an odd sound, almost a knocking
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on January 28, 2013, 05:23:56 PM
I'd rather keep my 15K then drive that bucket
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 28, 2013, 06:16:32 PM
It actually cost him at least 18.5
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 28, 2013, 06:25:14 PM
Oh and the Build a Bandit site is back up!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on January 29, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
That's the oddest sounding engine I've ever heard ,and not in a good way
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on January 29, 2013, 07:58:10 AM
Wow that sounds bad. Like a freight train locomotive with a blown cylinder or two. Geesh...and he's happy with that??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 29, 2013, 08:09:48 AM
Brian, I'm not taking up for Eli but has no clue what a 455 is supposed to sound like or what a GOOD Trams Am body is supposed to look like. And yes....to me it sounds like s#^*!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on January 29, 2013, 09:16:57 AM
That's a Bob job on the camera work.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 79ban1 on January 29, 2013, 11:06:36 PM
well the sound could be bad cause I think he used his phone to video it. Phone mics are not the best and can make things sound distorted. At least he got something for his money and he's happy with it. I say give it 6 months and when the bubbles start popping up in the paint and things start to go wrong he might sing a different song.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: NOT A TA on January 29, 2013, 11:58:13 PM
Does the wood 4 X 4 parking brake come at no additional charge?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on January 30, 2013, 04:43:12 AM
very observant not a TA .  Bob and little ZAk are so desparate that they actually posted an apology of the BAB/FACEBOOK page useing my screen name. What Morons!

http://build-a-bandit.com/ under Mr.Smith
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 02, 2013, 09:33:14 AM
Well Joe Godar got his car from Build A Bandit yesterday. I'm sure a video on the BAB site is soon to follow. New cars have also appeared. a SO-CALLED 73 Z-28 that has an SS badge on the grill and a TA build labeled Huber.

 Congratulation Joe Godar! Now the REAL fun begins!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BlackTransAm on February 02, 2013, 09:51:25 AM
That motor sounds good, throaty sound not knocking,  ;)
 I cant believe you guys dog a mans car, if he's happy with it thats all that matters,
I am sure I could find something "not right " with all your cars :-[
Terrible >:(
 Hes driving ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BARRACUDA1968 on February 02, 2013, 09:54:38 AM
I too noticed what appeared like a wave in the passenger door.  Could just be the reflection?? 

The exhaust note is horrifying to say the least.  Almost sounds choked to me.  Probably has some nice hand made 2" exhaust and autozone mufflers. LOL 

At least this guy has something to show for his money.  Maybe he got a good deal because they left out the parking brake. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 02, 2013, 09:56:12 AM
Reed, I think your confusing Mr.Eli Smith's car with Joe Godar's car.

 The video in the previous pages is of Mr.Smith's car. Joe Godar just got his car YESTERDAY.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on February 02, 2013, 10:50:56 AM
That motor sounds good, throaty sound not knocking,  ;)
 I cant believe you guys dog a mans car, if he's happy with it thats all that matters,
I am sure I could find something "not right " with all your cars :-[
Terrible >:(
 Hes driving ;)
You are right. I have no dog in this race and I dont believe the intent is to make these guys feel terrible about their cars though I am sure it is the end result of our words. They received their cars and if they are happy with what they got for what they paid then that is all that matters in their cases. I think the intent of the message is to discredit BAB for the "Quality THEY claim to provide for the money spent when our fellow 78TA forum friends have been screwed out of their hard earned money without any apologies or recourse. I dont speak for everyone here, JMHO
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 02, 2013, 11:07:12 AM
Solar, I could not have said it better. No ill will towards the owners what so ever. If they are happy, that is a wonderful thing!

  Please understand though that everything is relative. It depends on your level of knowledge and experience as to how happy you are with a BAB build.

 I'm sure some of you would be very upset with the results while someone who has never had a 77-78 TA would be thrilled to own the same car.

 The Malice is towards BAB ,not the car owner.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BlackTransAm on February 03, 2013, 10:21:04 AM
Nice car, I love the combination 78 Nose 79 wheel Flares, My kid liked the 79 nose the best, I think it looks like pig nose :-X
but I always Liked the Pontiac "beak" look on the 77-78. The 79-81 wheel flares I think look tougher and give these F bodies a more
muscle car look. I have to say If I ever build/buy one for my "wife" ;) it would have that combo with Hurst T-tops.
 I am partial to the Hurst,had one, and I think the wider roof line gives a"tougher" look over the Fisher Ts especially when off.
 I also like the 81 SE fuel door, I think the 79-81 "a**" :o  end were a little drab especially compared to the earlier years,
A TA is flashy and should be all the way around,  they made the same mistake on some  Vettes, 83ish with boring butts also
 I dont like a daily driver cammed up , but thats just me, maybe I'm slowing down and am getting to be more show
and less go ;D If I wanted a fast car from the 70s it would be a built up Chevy Monza, had one of those too.
 GM designers came up with an awesome body style that has stood the test of time , but there's room for
improvements as this car shows.
 Looks good he sounds happy with it and hope he enjoys driving it this summer , while others are in parts piles :)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 03, 2013, 12:35:02 PM
Joe has taken all the comments off his Build-A-Bandit.com site.

I hope at some point soon he allows people to post on there or he gets rid of it altogether.  As it sits right now, it's just a tribute to a criminal.  It doesn't warn anyone about what awaits them if they fall for Bob's lies.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on February 04, 2013, 07:34:23 PM
Nice car, I love the combination 78 Nose 79 wheel Flares, My kid liked the 79 nose the best, I think it looks like pig nose :-X
but I always Liked the Pontiac "beak" look on the 77-78. The 79-81 wheel flares I think look tougher and give these F bodies a more
muscle car look. I have to say If I ever build/buy one for my "wife" ;) it would have that combo with Hurst T-tops.
 I am partial to the Hurst,had one, and I think the wider roof line gives a"tougher" look over the Fisher Ts especially when off.
 I also like the 81 SE fuel door, I think the 79-81 "a**" :o  end were a little drab especially compared to the earlier years,
A TA is flashy and should be all the way around,  they made the same mistake on some  Vettes, 83ish with boring butts also
 I dont like a daily driver cammed up , but thats just me, maybe I'm slowing down and am getting to be more show
and less go ;D If I wanted a fast car from the 70s it would be a built up Chevy Monza, had one of those too.
 GM designers came up with an awesome body style that has stood the test of time , but there's room for
improvements as this car shows.
 Looks good he sounds happy with it and hope he enjoys driving it this summer , while others are in parts piles :)
the bird on the fuel door was on all trans ams in 81. Not just the se
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 05, 2013, 09:46:28 PM
Is it possible for Bob to sink to a new low?  I didn't think so, but I'll admit that I was wrong.

He decided to impersonate me on ripoffreports.com :
http://www.ripoffreport.com/bob-mcelreath/auto-dealers/black-mountain-fairview-nort-2f819.htm

First he claimed on Joe's site - which is still only broadcasting half-truths and outright lies - that I needed a "good stiff one"

Now he is impersonating me and saying that I want to go to dinner with him and more. 

Anyone with a car at his shop needs to get it now.  He is folding fast.  These are the acts of a desperate and pathetic little man.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 05, 2013, 11:33:39 PM
Omg I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't read it . How the heck did Bob manage to post a comment with your name on the heading ?
So now your going out to dinner together , I'd love to be a fly on the wall if that happened lol!


Ok I understand how he posted with your name now , he used a space between TA and widow . That must have  looked like a new name to the site software .
You have to give him credit though for stooping to a new low though , wow !
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on February 06, 2013, 12:59:21 AM
WOW! WHAT A PIECE O SH*T!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 06, 2013, 07:18:20 AM
TAWIDOW, Did you get your lawsuit filed? The quicker you file the faster Bob has to start wasting money on an attorney to deffend himself!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 06, 2013, 07:40:14 AM
That is insane.  Isn't it against the law to do something like that?  And people on here are really trying to say we are beating a dead horse. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 06, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
AS I said the horse is not dead just plowing the same row! If this does not show how desparate this guy is I don't know what does!

 I posted a rebuttal underneath TA Widow's rebuttal but in hindsight I should wrote a caption that read Bob, the ( female) impersonator!

 Bet that would have gotten a rise out of him!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BlackTransAm on February 06, 2013, 09:19:18 AM
I came across this guy a 3 or 4 years ago, he had a TA on criagslist in NC, my dad lived there so I was looking around
after I got in touch with him on the phone it started growing the cost what he had what was done
I smelled something fishy then, and never talked to him again
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BARRACUDA1968 on February 06, 2013, 10:55:53 AM
I haven't read this entire thread but just bits and pieces.  I had NO doubt this guy is bad news but after reading that link I think he needs a little lesson in respect.  The content of the widow comment in his reply anger's me. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 06, 2013, 01:20:22 PM
An actual e-mail from Bob this morning.  It reads:

George Payne finally won.  He cause enough of civil action to put me into forced bankruptcy.  Not voluntary.  Shop cannot be open, sale, build, operate or deliver any vehicle in the US.  You can file civil action as course of action, but everything is taken.  Have no way to stop it.  Iíve been legally advised this is legal whatís being forced on me as a sole operator/owner and only one liable.
 
Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 06, 2013, 01:37:05 PM
Yes, George is responsible for Bob's mess.  It has nothing to do with the fact that Bob has stolen over $1.5 million  from over 100 people and doesn't produce what he says he will.  Bad, George, bad!  If it were up to Bob, he'd be swindling people right now.  I would bet that he probably is.

I would not believe any of what Bob claims.  He did not have a legitimate business license for most of his company aliases.  I'm not sure how or if that would effect his ability to file bankruptcy.  We all know that this will do nothing to stop him from operating the same way he has been operating.  He doesn't produce completed cars anyway.  Does it matter that he has a shop?  He's just selling pictures of cars and a good story.

I will believe his bankruptcy when I receive an official letter from a real lawyer.  Until then, he's blowing more smoke up our butts trying to buy more time to swindle more people.

Any victims that get letters that look official need to verify that the lawyer actually exists and that the lawyer actually sent the letter.  Bob impersonates people or creates them out of thin air.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on February 06, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
Yep!  I bet that's Bob's attempt to throw you off his scent.  Have you think it's finally over and forget about him.  Of course I know you're smarter than that tawidow.  Keep at him!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 06, 2013, 02:06:44 PM
Next thing you know he will be living in a TRAILER DOWN BY THE RIVER.........

oh wait.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on February 06, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
Maybe he now smeared your reputation, you certainly have evidence of him impersonating you. Maybe file charges against him for identity theft. They can track that message back to the computer it was written on.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 06, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
Bob, has been setting this up for months! I cut my attourney lose 3 months ago. Someone might have forced him into bancruptcy but it was not I!!!!!!!!!!!

 I'll be glad to take blame when he goes to jail!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 06, 2013, 02:51:15 PM
 
 
Please use this email for future correspondence. You are welcome to send me anything you like. Ive got a nice file going.
 
 
 
Inspector James F. Walston III
 
NCDMV License and Theft Bureau
 
1624 Patton Avenue
 
Asheville, NC 28806
 
         

Office: 828-251-6081 EXT 217
 
Cell: 828-231-6875
 
Fax: 828-251-6110
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 06, 2013, 03:11:47 PM
Nows the time to push harder. Tell the AG you want to press charges. File small claims suits against him. Attack, Attack
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 06, 2013, 03:24:36 PM
Just spoke with a Lawyer, He looked. Bob is blowing smoke! Bob is not listed as a debtor with the NC bancruptcy court!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 06, 2013, 04:27:44 PM
Just checked this site         http://www.pacer.gov/reg_pacer.html .    No Robert McElreath's filed for Bancruptcy here. or here    http://www.ncwb.uscourts.gov/ecf/login.html
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on February 06, 2013, 05:37:28 PM
An actual e-mail from Bob this morning.  It reads:

George Payne finally won.  He cause enough of civil action to put me into forced bankruptcy.  Not voluntary.  Shop cannot be open, sale, build, operate or deliver any vehicle in the US.  You can file civil action as course of action, but everything is taken.  Have no way to stop it.  Iíve been legally advised this is legal whatís being forced on me as a sole operator/owner and only one liable.
 
Bob

I'm guessing he won't actually stop.  I wonder if this idiot with a 3rd grade mentality thinks that if he says he has to stop doing this everyone will stop looking for his scams on the internet.  Too bad for him that we will all keep on the look out for his lies and scams.  Idiot.  It's too bad Bob wasn't a victim of a partial birth abortion before all this happened.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 78455 on February 06, 2013, 06:50:19 PM
  It's too bad Bob wasn't a victim of a partial birth abortion before all this happened.

I'm surprised that this Bob guy hasn't already been turned into fish food.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on February 07, 2013, 01:46:57 AM
Is it possible for Bob to sink to a new low?  I didn't think so, but I'll admit that I was wrong.

He decided to impersonate me on ripoffreports.com :
http://www.ripoffreport.com/bob-mcelreath/auto-dealers/black-mountain-fairview-nort-2f819.htm

First he claimed on Joe's site - which is still only broadcasting half-truths and outright lies - that I needed a "good stiff one"

Now he is impersonating me and saying that I want to go to dinner with him and more. 

Anyone with a car at his shop needs to get it now.  He is folding fast.  These are the acts of a desperate and pathetic little man.

one look at that spelling and grammar shows thats not TAwidow
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 07, 2013, 03:09:18 AM
^^ good point ,as Bob doesn't talk good :)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 10:13:19 AM
Got this today!


From Chris Canard   
To Flounder1955@yahoo.com


 
 

George, my name Chris and unfortunately I bought a car from Bob in 2009. I actually got my car about a year later. If you look on their new website Pontiac pros in the picture section mine is the silver & black '78.
    I have spent about $7,000.00 on the car to get it acceptable, & that's with me doing some of the labor myself. That's probably another 3-4 K worth. The car is decent now but still needs a real paint job. I have kept every receipt for every repair, part, nut or bolt. Needless to say it's a rather impressive & depressing pile.
    I contacted Bob with a detailed list of everything that had to be repaired with copies of the most expensive receipts. I heard nothing from them. Here is the list I sent them.
 
1) remove & reinstall rear brake shoes. one side had primary facing forward
 
2) repair turn signal wiring on BOTH front signals
 
the above work was done by my mechanic he also totally inspected the car & found that the transmission was leaking from EVERY opening tailshaft, torque converter, selector shaft, & speedometer cable. rear main seal is leaking, wheel bearings need replacing, rotors pitted, ball joints need replacing all the rubber front & back needs replacing cost $ 561.09

3) replace leaking power steering pump $ 49.21
 
4) replace water temp sending unit, that's why the gauge didn't work $ 6.51
 
5) rebuild head light assembly, this was so rusted your guys just left one of the original lights in it, alignment screws replaced
 
6) reinstalled front turn signals, these were just shoved into the bumper not even bolted in,
 
7) replaced wiper motor, it only worked on low speed
 
8) replaced washer motor didn't work at all
 
9) replace windshield washer hoses, dryrot, theses weren't even connected
 
10) remove & repair leaking radiator, this is when I found only 1 rubber radiator mount under the radiator
 
11) replace radiator mount
 
12) replace cracked fan shroud
 
13) replace radiator overfill jug, had a hole in it
 
14) repair short in dome light
 
15) repair bad contact in door jamb light switch
 
16) remove driver door panel & repair door lock, it would lock but then you couldn't unlock it
 
17) PROPERLY install driver door panel, you see there are little metal tabs at the top that have to be bent to snap in place, you would think you guys would know that by now
 
18) replace torn driver inner door handle/armrest
 
19) replace rusted out headlight switch $ 15.99
 
20) replace rusted out & shorted dimmer switch this is when I discovered that the carpet was put over butt naked rusted metal with no sound deadening material or jute $ 9.00
 
21) replace non functioning cigarette lighter
 
22) have metal bezel restored $ 150.00
 
23) replace cracked dash cover, it was not installed right & not even painted $ 123.00
 
24) install sound deadening to floor $ 44.95
 
25) install jute on floor $ 25.47
 
26) POR-15 floor & refinish floor, that's not black paint on the floor
 
27) completely redye all interior pieces, I found gray, blue, gloss, semi gloss, flat black & parts not even painted
 
28) rebuild & reweb seat belts, repair torn back seat & 180.00
 
29) replace leaking evaporator core & 225.94
 
30) replace burned out A/C clutch $ 98.38
 
31) completely rebuild a/c controls & temp & bi level vents
 
32) replace mufflers $ 128.40 I wouldn't even call what you installed mufflers
 
33) replace glove box spring $ 4.25
 
34) rewire radio, quit working
 
35) install antennae extension $ 10.00
 
36) buy jack $ 46.00
 
37) remove deck lid, remove rust, refinish, repaint reinstall
 
38) derust & rebuild seat rails, so rusted driver seat would not move
 
39) partially rebuild carb. heater choke tube was clogged that's why it was idled so high. no gasket on choke tube assembly
 
40) replace brace under steering wheel, it was missing
 
41) replace duct adapter, it was missing
 
42) replace screws holding carpet guard, some screws were shoved in the hole wrong size just loose
 
43) replace shaker drain, missing
 
44) the entire suspension had to be rebuilt $2880.55
 
45) transmission removed seals replaced, linkage repaired $794.72 (see attached receipts)
 
the car is still at my mechanics he has had to rebuild the carburetor, replace the vacuum advance, reroute a/c & alternator wiring as these were sitting on the manifold & melting, replace the plugs as they were fouled. adjust the timing. The carburetor on the car is the wrong carb. it is from a 403 California car I have a 400. cost to get correct one is $300-625.00

the engine is showing rust, apparently just painted straight over rust so I'm going to have redetail the engine bay, replace the valve covers replacing the rusting chrome ones I did not want. I have to find the correct air cover cleaner. I sent you one but it was not installed. Mind you this car is stored in an air conditioned building & I've driven it a total of 5 times, three of which have been to be repaired. I am still going to have it repainted which means I'm going to have to buy all new graphics again.

   Since then I have had to have the dome light repaired & a few other things as well, so the cost is over 7 k. Someone from the NC AG office contacted me & I sent them this list & copies of some of the receipts. I would dearly love to repay Bob & Co. For such a "wonderful" product that I've spent the last 2 yrs of my life on. So if you have any suggestions I'm all ears.

                                                                                                    Chris
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 10:30:32 AM
this guy has a (kinda rare) 76 SE.


From D EM
To GEORGE PAYNE


 
I've posted some information on the Bandit Build website, and I will be listing the car for sale on ebay, with the VIN# and the 50+ build-progress pictures. If anyone should want to buy it, receive my title and pick it up in NC.


Sent on the Now NetworkT from my Sprintģ BlackBerry

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 01:09:26 PM
Another victim who is a lawyer.


Dear George,
 
I was able to get your e-mail address from Chris Canard.  He was one of the group members in our group that was also victimized by Bob.  I was aware of your existence but never been able to connect with you.  As you may have heard, I am also one of the victims of Bob the bandit.  I ordered two cars and fully paid for them.  Of course years past 3-4 years.  I received the TA and it directly went into storage and has not run since.  The other one was a Mustang 350 GT replica for which I paid close to $30,000, it was supposed to be finished by the end of 2012 and it was apparently was finished.  I have all the paper trail and the pictures he was sending me. When it was finished, he sent me a bill of sale and the title.  We were just getting ready to get the car shipped when he made an emergency call and said he got an investigation going on against him and that I should send the title back to him so that he can transfer it properly to avoid title jumping and then send me back the title from him.  When the original car was purchased to be built it was still left with the original personís name when he send it to me.  Like an idiot, I sent back the title to him.  I should not have done that because the car was purchased ultimately for me with the money I sent years ago.  But, against my better judgment I sent the title back to him.  He said it would take 3-4 weeks to make the switch and get the title back to me.  Yesterday, it has been more than a month and I was thinking about calling him when I received the following e-mail from him:
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
George Payne finally won.  He cause enough of civil action to put me into forced bankruptcy.  Not voluntary.  Shop cannot be open, sale, build, operate or deliver any vehicle in the US.  You can file civil action as course of action, but everything is taken.  Have no way to stop it.  Iíve been legally advised this is legal whatís being forced on me as a sole operator/owner and only one liable.
 
Bob
 
I checked the Bankruptcy records and it turns out that there is no filings under his name as of yesterday.  There is no forced or involuntary bankruptcy as you may know.  He must be doing that to avoid the consequences of his action.  I am currently looking for a local attorney to hire.  I also contacted Sheriffís department.  I believe he should be prosecuted criminally as well as civilly.  If it was here I would deal with it as I am a litigation and trial attorney.  But it is not practical for me to deal with a case in NC.  I will need to find a local attorney which I am willing to do.  We will also need an attorney who will challenge the potential discharge of obligations with bankruptcy filing.  This is important.
 
I feel like you have much more information on the happenings.  I was keeping a list and information together and keeping our group of 15-20 people together for years, we were all Bobís victims together.  Would you give me as much information as possible?  I am so angry about what this guy did to us.  Do you have an attorney you have already hired and used?  May be we can use the same attorney?  Can you share some information?  I am planning to after this guy.  Let me know if it is Ok I would be happy to call you on your phone.  Feel free to call me at my office number below.  I will continue to monitor his bankruptcy filings.  But I feel like you and I should connect.
 
Best regards,
 
Ayhan M. Menekshe
Attorney at Law
Email: menekshe@menekshelaw.com
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 07, 2013, 02:14:46 PM
There you go George!


Go get that Ba$tard!!!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on February 07, 2013, 02:29:25 PM
  I believe he should be prosecuted criminally as well as civilly.  If it was here I would deal with it as I am a litigation and trial attorney.  But it is not practical for me to deal with a case in NC.  I will need to find a local attorney which I am willing to do.

with all due respect for the above attorney, if i had personal money involved, i would MAKE IT practical to "deal with" the case. if not personally, then i would find the most aggresive local talent.  my .02
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 07, 2013, 04:47:13 PM
 I am also a victim of Bob.  Here is what I have found out and have talked to serveral victims.  This build was for my company.  It was supposed to be in paint and body to be finished wherever that is at.   The Attorney General says he has not filed anything.  Dectective Davis says he has not filed anything.  Found a working number, spoke to Erica as well as another victim.  She claims Bob has fled and left her and his daughter.  He left his cell and everything.  She cannot locate him and was very forthcoming with information.  She claims there are still some cars left in the shop although she does not know what happened to my companies, as she said it is not there.  Another victim was supposed to pick his car up too.  However it does not even exist according to a worker.
He actually sold my car to another named Ron but with a different VIN # which he was supposed to pick up.  The old tag on mine matches the vin, I do not know where he got the VIN for Ron.   As of today I had plate and VIN ran and it still has not been registered.
I do not know all of the shops to look for my car (or Rons) a 73 Camaro.
 
Inspector Wilson from DMV has several peoples information her number is 828-251-6081 email is cawilson4@ncdot.gov.  She is also handling a case.  Another victims car did not even exist at all.  Employees are at the shop from what I was told and said the same thing Erica did.  They were told there are a few cars there most belonging to customers that brought them in.
 
Feel free to share this with whomever needs it.

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 07, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
Do not trust anything Erica says either.  They are a family of thieves.  He's been using her e-mail for years.  Other victims' have stories involving her being a very willing participant in his schemes.  Her son Zak was/is the build coordinator.  They all need to go to jail.  The best thing about this whole thing is that their daughter now has a chance to live with decent people.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 07, 2013, 05:17:07 PM
I dont.  Dectective Davis verified today no one was at the shop and he did not see my car.  But I heard a few cars were missing along with Bob.  This could be his capital when he decides to return under another name.  I am sure a few cars are tucked away in a garage somewhere as mine has still not been registered.  The only reason I know is I had a shot of the old tag that was still on the car, it shows up on the copy of the title with the correct VIN I recieved.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 09:52:31 PM

From Ayhan Menekshe
To KICRVI@aol.com
CC GEORGE PAYNE
edcarolinathol@aol.com
william cater


 
 



I am in touch with all those people.  I also believe I located Bob and communicated that information to the authorities.  The investigation has been reopened.  They are telling me that there is no current arrest warrants against him but we will work towards changing that.  I am very busy but I will make this my mission.  I will start getting people together and establishing things against him.  We believe that we have located Williamís and my car and I am working towards securing them.  Bob was trying to change the VINís on those and sell those cars to others.  I will get you more information tomorrow.  Tomorrow, I will establish a large e-mail list including everybody.  Letís coordinate efforts as a group. 

 

 




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Ayhan M. Menekshe
 Attorney at Law

Email: menekshe@menekshelaw.com
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 09:55:01 PM

From Ayhan Menekshe
To edcarolinathol@aol.com
GEORGE PAYNE
william cater


 
 



I believe located Bob and also located where my car is.  Bob is trying to flee out of the country.  I LEARNED WHERE HE IS HEADED BUT WE NEED TO STOP HIM BEOFRE THAT.  HE NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED.  I contacted Detective Mike Davis and inspector Walston.  We will need to make sure that Bob is arrested.  If someone just goes to talk to him he will be lost forever.  Did anyone of you ever contacted US Marshallís or Feds, please let me know asap.  Thanks.
 
 
 




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Ayhan M. Menekshe
 Attorney at Law

Email: menekshe@menekshelaw.com
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 07, 2013, 10:02:03 PM
What the hell is going on.  Where is this coming from
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
a repost,sorry!

 

 




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Ayhan M. Menekshe
 Attorney at Law

Email: menekshe@menekshelaw.com
 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 10:11:30 PM
it appears this lawyer has located Bob.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 07, 2013, 10:26:44 PM
This may be redundant

 
 
Please use this email for future correspondence. You are welcome to send me anything you like. Ive got a nice file going.
 
 
 
Inspector James F. Walston III
 
NCDMV License and Theft Bureau
 
1624 Patton Avenue
 
Asheville, NC 28806
 
         

Office: 828-251-6081 EXT 217
 
Cell: 828-231-6875
 
Fax: 828-251-6110
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on February 08, 2013, 08:15:53 AM
I dunno. For an attorney, his grasp of the english language leaves alot to be desired. Doesn't ring true to me.

Hoping I'm wrong but this smells fishy...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on February 08, 2013, 08:23:20 AM
Another one of Bob's impersonations?

Scratch that...  Bob's not smart enough to impersonate an email address from a real law firm. Hmmm
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 08:26:42 AM
Brian the lawyer is Pakatani( or middle Eastern ), I called his office and the seems legit.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BARRACUDA1968 on February 08, 2013, 10:59:43 AM
I dunno. For an attorney, his grasp of the english language leaves alot to be desired. Doesn't ring true to me.

Hoping I'm wrong but this smells fishy...

I kinda thought the same thing!  Hopefully this lawyer is legit.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 08, 2013, 11:31:20 AM

From Ayhan Menekshe
To KICRVI@aol.com
CC GEORGE PAYNE
edcarolinathol@aol.com
william cater

Ayhan M. Menekshe
 Attorney at Law

Email: menekshe@menekshelaw.com


I did a search on KICRVI@Aol.com it comes back to a

Craig Ventzke
1837 Park Blvd.
Fargo, ND 58103-4735
Ph. 701-293-1547


Does Flounder know this guy?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on February 08, 2013, 11:33:33 AM

From Ayhan Menekshe
To KICRVI@aol.com
CC GEORGE PAYNE
edcarolinathol@aol.com
william cater

Ayhan M. Menekshe
 Attorney at Law

Email: menekshe@menekshelaw.com


I did a search on KICRVI@Aol.com

Craig Ventzke
1837 Park Blvd.
Ph. 701-293-1547


Does Flounder know this guy?

Yes, he is another victim of Bob, there actually is a build for him on www.build-a-bandit.com under other builds.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 08, 2013, 11:34:19 AM
http://www.menekshelaw.com/attorney-profiles/ayhan-m-menekshe/ (http://www.menekshelaw.com/attorney-profiles/ayhan-m-menekshe/)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BARRACUDA1968 on February 08, 2013, 01:08:29 PM
This will probably sound stupid but if I was Bob and a crook I wouldn't be ripping off a lawyer of all people. ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 08, 2013, 03:22:33 PM
This will probably sound stupid but if I was Bob and a crook I wouldn't be ripping off a lawyer of all people. ::) ::) ::)
Well he's  also a female impersonator , so nothing suprizes me
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 06:04:20 PM
I think you guys might find this interesting.

http://www.wlos.com/news/features/featured/stories/scam-alert-188.shtml
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 08, 2013, 06:14:56 PM
LOL  The end of Bob.  Detective said there remains of T/A s there that is it..   I wonder if is jail time for him now.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BlackTransAm on February 08, 2013, 06:48:30 PM
He's an old scammer, and old guys like that know their rights and know how to screw people.
 Dont be surprised when he pops up again, or somewhere else.
 I dont know how much the local PDs really want him. After this long it doesn't seem like they want him to bad.
 It seems a personal law suit and lein on his property would be better.,
 I bet he has it all worked out.
 My dad lived in NC and he said a GUN, was the solution
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on February 08, 2013, 06:49:13 PM
I would say the end of BAB, we knew it would come to this but how did this individual get the news media involved when our on folks here had no such luck? At least we know there was no crying wolf, regardless of what others have said. Sad thing is, all is lost for those who have a claim. Some lawsuit will come forward I am sure but settling for pennies on the dollar is not worth the headache. Justice will have to be reward enough.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 07:01:44 PM
If you guys saw the clip you saw that fuzzy looking Dennis guy. He knows more than he's telling as he has possesion Of Jay Cerrrone's car. He might be helping Bob wash titles (just a guess).


   Bob lives in a trailer or did. What do you think it's worth?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 08, 2013, 07:15:03 PM
It got on the news because of the sudden wave and influx of calls.  There was no way out this time.  His own email killed him.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 08, 2013, 07:16:57 PM
Also Bob owns nothing in Carolina.  No property at all..Unless it is in another name.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 07:30:12 PM
Dingles, he told me it's all under his mother's name..................for what it's worth
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 08, 2013, 07:34:17 PM
The link doesn't seem I be working. What should I be looking for on the site
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 08, 2013, 07:47:59 PM
The link doesn't seem I be working. What should I be looking for on the site
I using an iPad and it worked fine for me .

Good going guys , Bobs on the news and on the run !
It's  just so sad to see the victims of this scammer loose there money . Wish there was someway they could recover it ,but how do you get blood out of a rock ? Hopefully Bob accidentally runs into someone's  baseball bat
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: EOD9339 on February 08, 2013, 07:50:00 PM
Does anyone have a photo of this a$$hole. I would like to know what to look for if he finds his way to N. Alabama
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 08, 2013, 08:08:15 PM
Dingles, he told me it's all under his mother's name..................for what it's worth

Someone will find out.  There is always a paper trail......As long as I live to see the day.  I have just caught up on what everyone has been going through, WOW,  I will make sure I am there to watch it all crumble for him, I have only had 2 days of hell.  I just caught up on posts after it was thrown in my lap the other day.. Unbelievable stuff..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 08:08:58 PM
Look on line under Asheville,NC news 13 under scams!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 08:10:46 PM
Dingle,Call me and I will be there too! Afterwards we can go get a drink to celebrate!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 08, 2013, 08:17:16 PM
Dingle,Call me and I will be there too! Afterwards we can go get a drink to celebrate!

Oh I will.  I will buy the first 3 rounds for everyone.  I only had to deal with it 2 days, I see what you guys have been dealing with.  And from the looks of it, if every victims shows I might need to bring the company credit card!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
LOL. The second good thing that happened to me since I met Bob! First thing you ask?

 I met one of the Most knowledgable builders ( ALLMUSCLECAR.COM) I ever seen. He actually cares and loves what he is doing.

  Dingles, I like double Grand Marnier on the rocks....................He He!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 08:23:04 PM
Well I wrote news 13 and told them they just scratched the surface! Maybe they will dig a little deeper into that dennis ( on the news clip ) guy.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 08, 2013, 08:26:34 PM
LOL. The second good thing that happened to me since I met Bob! First thing you ask?

 I met one of the Most knowledgable builders ( ALLMUSCLECAR.COM) I ever seen. He actually cares and loves what he is doing.

  Dingles, I like double Grand Marnier on the rocks....................He He!

Well in my opinion drinks on this it will be well worth the money spent to camp out and watch him cry.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on February 08, 2013, 08:41:04 PM
Dennis is a legitimate businessman. He has no affiliation with Bob at all. Bob knows Dennis and was giving victims his address not expecting people to come down and look for their cars.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
Jay, you thought Bob was legit at one time. Remember saying " just give the guy a little time to raise some capital" ? Remember saying that on BAB website? Where did it get you?

 So you think Dennis is legit? Great, then a little scrutiny won't ruffle his feathers at all. If he had no dealings with Bob except with your car then he is in the clear. Now on the other hand if cars that Bob has worked on or sold have had titles go through Dennis's hands...........that might raise some eyebrows.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 08, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
This guy isn't running.  He's just hiding out.  He thinks that he's smarter than everyone and he'll just wait until this blows over, get his 12th alias, and start again. 

His wife lies through her teeth.  She was sending out e-mails on Bob's behalf just a couple months ago.  Every single one of the e-mails go through her address.  She is the one who is legally connected to Pontiac Pros and Build a Bandit.  She admitted to being just as responsible to me in a phone conversation this morning.  Her son has followed in their footprints.  In addition, he's got the cocky teen attitude that he's untouchable.  I hope they pick him up with the 2 of them.  If not, he'll be picking up where daddy left off. 

I called the county jail, Bob's not there yet.  I hope they'll pick him up soon.  They can't tell me if he has an arrest warrant yet. 

We have comprised a database of Bob victims.  We currently have 60 names. The news story and word of mouth will hopefully get the majority of the ones we're missing.  If anyone knows more people, have them send me their e-mail address.   edcarolinathol@aol.com
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Carol, I heard from a source that Bob fled to Vegas......again!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on February 08, 2013, 09:11:21 PM
Probably trying to get MORE capital. LMAO. Hope they find him in a ditch somewhere!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 08, 2013, 10:05:32 PM
Now everyone here needs to call Channel 13 and ask for the blonde reporter that investigated the story and giver her all the info we got. If we don't have any info we need to ask her to run more stories and bring up TAwidow!!!!

Keep fighting, this is just the begining. We got the ball rolling lets not lose momentum!!!! >:D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 08, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Now everyone here needs to call Channel 13 and ask for the blonde reporter that investigated the story and giver her all the info we got. If we don't have any info we need to ask her to run more stories and bring up TAwidow!!!!

Keep fighting, this is just the begining. We got the ball rolling lets not lose momentum!!!! >:D
Thats a good point . You know I don't doubt that the public would be very sympathetic to what she's been threw , and there could be donations on her behalf . hopefully to the point where Carol recoups her losses .Heck I'll throw in some cash myself if someone could get this started
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 11:35:42 PM
this is what I sent to the station:


Dear Sirs,



  You should try to contact this woman

Carol Thompson

edcarolinathol@aol.com

678-354-6937

Her husband contracted Bob McElreath to build a car, paid him 15 thousand dollars only to die right after Bob cashed the check. Needless to say she has been very vocal throughout this whole process and only received 2K from McElreath. She even tried to put an article in the classifieds of your local paper regarding her plight only to be turned down. She is a widow,with children who is 13 thousand dollars poorer because of Bob McElreath! Bob has scamed sevicemen serving overseas, a cancer victim ( Fred Huber of washington state) and countless trusting souls. His girlfriend Ericka is envolved, his stepson ZAK is envolved and there are other area shops that have helped him along the way purportrate his scheme.

 The sheriff's office and the NC DOJ have had more that 30 complaints and done nothing saying it is a civil matter. Please shed some light on this!


  Thank you


  George W Payne
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 08, 2013, 11:38:20 PM
Here's the TV stations comments Email section.



comments@WLOS.com


  Lets support Carol!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 09, 2013, 12:13:16 AM
this is what I sent to the station:


Dear Sirs,



  You should try to contact this woman

Carol Thompson

edcarolinathol@aol.com

678-354-6937

Her husband contracted Bob McElreath to build a car, paid him 15 thousand dollars only to die right after Bob cashed the check. Needless to say she has been very vocal throughout this whole process and only received 2K from McElreath. She even tried to put an article in the classifieds of your local paper regarding her plight only to be turned down. She is a widow,with children who is 13 thousand dollars poorer because of Bob McElreath! Bob has scamed sevicemen serving overseas, a cancer victim ( Fred Huber of washington state) and countless trusting souls. His girlfriend Ericka is envolved, his stepson ZAK is envolved and there are other area shops that have helped him along the way purportrate his scheme.

 The sheriff's office and the NC DOJ have had more that 30 complaints and done nothing saying it is a civil matter. Please shed some light on this!


  Thank you


  George W Payne

This is actually a very good idea.  With the addition that he fled and the ruthless and uncaring way he scammed certain victims as well as any victims should deserve a follow-up at least on local.  However i would think since it has hit the news a bigger station would consider picking it up.  Honestly after that news in his home town, I wonder if he would be stupid enough to float back into town and try to start over.  I know they have some good questions for him......lol   Dont Drop The Soap Bob!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 09, 2013, 12:18:54 AM
Flounder  I'm on beer #6 right now , but I think it's spelled "involved " not envolved

No biggy , just saying  ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 09, 2013, 06:10:01 AM
Why Rain!   I did know you cared! I see I made a spelling error and you are correct. I must confess I too was somewhere around number 6 on the Molson Ice count. You know I'm usually am pretty good in the spelling department but hey, I'm human .
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 09, 2013, 10:10:21 AM
Thank you guys for your support, but I'm not taking any donations unless it's to a general fund for all of Bob's victims.  There are many I've spoken with that have given Bob their life savings or taken 2nd mortgages on their houses.  Their are others that are still struggling through horrible diseases or serious life changes AND have to deal with this jerk.  My perspective is quite different.  I look at all of this and can't help but know that there are worse things in life than losing money.  I've lost a perfect husband and a perfect father to my kids.  Money is just money.  I've been just as happy living paycheck to paycheck as I have with a little more padded bank account.

I have been so vocal because Bob and his family have been killing people's dreams without a care in the world of how it effects us.  I don't have the car bug.  I lived with someone who did for 13 years and he's passed on the passion to our 9 year old son.  My husband's eyes would glow thinking about this car.  We were only together for 13 years and he bought or sold 13 cars  in that length of time.  He was crazy in love with them all (Well, maybe not my Kia or wagon.).  My son wants to live in his dad's Corvette until I give him the keys when he's 25.  I assume by reading people's posts and stories that you all share this passion.  Bob has killed over 100 people's dreams.  I know as the non-car person that it will be very hard to talk a spouse into pouring money into something new after losing all this.  That hurdle can only be reached after a lot of you have spent many years paying off the loans for this failure.  Realistically, most of the victims will not be able to fulfill their dreams.

Bob and his family have maliciously set out to steal money from you.  They have targeted people that are blinded by their passion and life circumstance.  Looking back on your transactions, I'd bet many are asking yourselves just what they hell you were thinking and how you could be so stupid.  Hopefully you'll realize that there are lawyers and people at the top of their fields  - supposedly smart people like you -  that were duped right along with you.  Bob and his family are professional, amoral thieves.  They know what to say and do to gain your trust.  They are about the lowest kind of people you could find.

When Bob, Erica, Zak, and anyone else involved are in jail for a very long time, I will feel that my husband has been taken care of.  I don't need the money as much as most or all the rest of you because I don't plan on buying a replacement and I don't have a spouse that will be on me for losing it in the first place.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 09, 2013, 10:27:47 AM
Flounder,

  I am not convinced the email address is the best avenue. There has to be a more direct email to Emma Wright the reporter.

This is her direct Email account to Emma Wright eewright@wlos.com Darcel Grimes dgrimes@wlos.com

These are the 2 from the video.

Flounder please edit your posts and put these emails in.

We should also include a link to this forum in our emails. I'm doing mine now
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 09, 2013, 10:28:41 AM
put in the Subject line "Scam Pontiac Pros"
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on February 09, 2013, 02:39:21 PM
agreed...news media is the key. if its a big enough story the LEOs will have to take action.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on February 09, 2013, 05:34:03 PM
Where's Cassius when you need him???
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 09, 2013, 05:40:51 PM
With this much activity, why is this guy still out there walking around?  They've been given proof.  They were given proof over a month ago that he was selling a car he didn't even own without the owner's consent.  The owner of the car contacted eBay and the authorities.  Now we're finding out that he's been selling the same cars multiple times and nobody has the car - probably not even Bob.

I think we're all in the wrong business.  It must be nice not to have any morals or consequences.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 09, 2013, 06:43:21 PM
Thanks Jupiter, You Email address IS certainly better than mine!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 09, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
Jupiter, thanks again. I just sent off those addresses to every victim I know.

Again thanks!                 

  Man this is an AWESOME WEBSITE!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on February 11, 2013, 01:06:49 PM
Does anyone have a photo of this a$$hole. I would like to know what to look for if he finds his way to N. Alabama


I too wonder this.  Does anyone have a picture of this repulsive rat?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 11, 2013, 01:22:59 PM
Believe it or not I believe there is a picture of him in the office somewhere in the work emails.  It will take me awhile to find if they still have it, I will post when found.  This stupid Camaro might of well been put together with duct tape.  Odds are to bring it satisfactory especially since it never was painted will be more than was paid for it.  Good job Bob!  I wonder if they are even looking for him yet....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 11, 2013, 02:01:29 PM
i hope so.  I really hope this blows up and they make a big story out of it.  I mean we have had a huge break by getting the story on the news as is.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 11, 2013, 03:32:07 PM
Not sure how much this helps but the person that ran this ad has some kind of alliance with Bob McElreath and may know where or what happened to some of the missing cars.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-GTO-Convertible-Restored-No-Reserve-/261157484972?_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on February 11, 2013, 03:50:37 PM
Must be, this feedback shows similar accusations. Also been selling some TA parts

Negative feedback rating   This person does not return calls, he should not be aloud to repost this item.   
Member id productionoffroad ( Feedback Score Of 12Yellow star icon for feedback score in between 10 to 49)
   Dec-14-12 13:57
   

    Reply by 65classicrods (Dec-31-12 15:07):
    Sorry,didn'treturn call fast enough,I never relisted item.
        Follow-up by productionoffroad (Jan-08-13 16:41):
        because he had a COPY of title and ALTERED vin.no update since x-mas from seller
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 11, 2013, 04:10:38 PM
yeah I talked to that guy. He bid and won on the 73 TA Bob put on Ebay. He ( Bob) was useing the same VIN off of another 73 that he had sold earlier
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 11, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
***Possible pic of Bob on facebook site***  I cannot verify.  Interesting read with it.  If anyone can confirm it is him there it is.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 11, 2013, 06:28:34 PM
I could not find it
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 11, 2013, 06:37:17 PM
Under Recent posts on facebook site, posted by RJ Turn with that white fastback with blue stripes.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 11, 2013, 07:02:20 PM
I don't think that is a picture of Bob. As I remember him he was alot heavier!
 Joe Godar would know.
 Now the Joe Pendleton, I think he is 65classicrods ( on Ebay ) and someone that Law Enforcement needs to look at.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on February 11, 2013, 09:43:21 PM
Hi guys just got on this site tonight I'm the guy that called the news and I owe flounder and ta widow an apology I defended bob till the end thinking I was going to get my car. And then the day before it was to be delivered I got the bankrupt email so I got in the car and drove to NC for a few days . Talked to the NC Justice dept and sherriffs dept wichita said there was nothing they could do that it was a civil matter. So I called the news station and got interviewed that night and the next day the detective said he was finally allowed by the justice dept to investigate but that it was still a civil matter  the vin that bob sent me belonged to a half a car in his shop that belongs to a lady from Mo. It seems from talking to the employees that my car that was a 78 455/6 speed they never saw it that it never existed but the sheriffs dept said still not enough for crime yet. What else can I do :'(
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 11, 2013, 09:57:16 PM
So I guess your the guy from Alabama? If you'd like you can contact this Lawyer who also is a victim .  menekshe@menekshelaw.com.

 The guy that was in the same newscast as you , Dennis Woreley, it not telling all he knows. He has a car that was a Bob can in his shop right now.

 Also at one time he had a Bob car on his lot that was ran into by another car on a rainy night.

  Erica, is more involved than she alluded to in the newscast as well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 11, 2013, 10:47:26 PM
Apology accepted.  Hindsight's a bitch or none of us would be in this mess.  You got the story on TV!!!  That will hopefully get some people moving in the right direction.  That bankruptcy letter was about the best thing Bob could have done for us.  If you'll e-mail me (edcarolinathol@aol.com) or the lawyer that Flounder gave you, you'll be the 61st victim added to the list.  I only had about 15 people before his letter.

Civil matter.  Okay.  At some point the NC AG should have cross referenced some of these civil matters or demanded that Bob show the VIN for the vast majority of us that were never given them.  In less than 96 hours we have a list of 60 names and I've cross referenced all of them.  I see at least 5 people that have paid for someone else's cars.  I haven't even compared pictures yet.  What are the chances that more will turn up as the e-mails keep coming in?  She's had over a year and SHE GETS PAID FOR THIS???  Some of these people have been strung along for nearly 4 years!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 11, 2013, 10:57:48 PM
Carol, don't know if you looked on Rip Off .com lately but there are new victims there as well
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 11, 2013, 11:05:08 PM
OKAY guys!!! I am going to tell you a secret.

Here it is! You need as many people calling the govenor's office and your congressman in your state and in North Carolina. You got 60+ people? then that should get some attention. The AG is obviously an idiot.

If you contract with someone and have no intention of delivering a product that is fraud. If you used the US mail while doing so that is Mail Fraud on top of it. Pass state lines is another charge.

60 people getting screwed shows a pattern. RICO act can be instituted.

If you think my suggestion about calling the govenor is off based well then you already lost. Make sure you tell the Govenor of NC that it has already been aird in the media and that more victims are coming out daily.

Govenor+Congressman= a hell of a lot of heat on the AG
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 11, 2013, 11:11:22 PM
I agree go to the governors office if enough people call the. Then in a sense their states reputation is on the line by having their AG telling over 60 people that each lost atleast 15k that there is nothing they can do about it. I would bet 60 minutes would love to hear about that let the nation know how North Carolina likes turn their head on 60 + people.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 12, 2013, 12:42:01 AM
What do you have to do in the USA to go to prison besides killing someone , sheesh .
I can't get over how big this is getting and the stuff this crooks pulled 



Btw Favoured  don't feel bad , we didn't have Flounder convinced overnight that this Bob guy was a crook
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 12, 2013, 07:25:21 AM
This is true!  In fact it worked both ways  I had a hard time convicing them I was not a troll ( spy for Bob trying to drum up good will for him). I wanted to keep an open mind about the whole thing but the facts just kept piling up.

 You want so hard to believe that smooth talking Bob ( kinda like Andy Griffith ) would never pull one over on you. Guess that's what a GOOD con man can do and I'd say since were closing in on more than 60 victims he qualifies.

 Only thing left is to see the authorties don't drop the ball and let him slide away!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on February 12, 2013, 09:57:00 AM
Your right the detective was suppose to call me yesterday no word yet.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 12, 2013, 10:10:29 AM
Rosemary is Susan Davis' supervisor 919-716-6000.  She insisted the Susan Davis has been doing her job and they can only do as much as their lawyer allows.  If they haven't stopped a person from selling cars they don't own it's because they are "gathering evidence."

North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory's office number is 919-733-5811.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 12, 2013, 10:20:21 AM
Well I've been sending Det. Davis as much info as I can on all of Bob's Ebay aliases as well as info on the 67 GTO. i know the plate # is TP55341.

 Hopefully  Ebay will cooperate and he can get to the bottom of this.

 I also feel there is a place where Bob is keeping some of these cars. I've seen pictures in a farm-like setting that had several cars there.

 Maybe if they squeeze Ericka hard enough she will give it up
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on February 12, 2013, 10:24:24 AM
I just talked to Kevin in the Govoners office he said it's the first he heard of it and he will call me back. Also emailed flounders lawyer contact now someone else needs to call the govs. Office and ask for Kevin
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 12, 2013, 10:25:22 AM
As far as the DOJ goes....? I think they are just covering their asses right now. I know these crimes are hard to prosecute but that's why Bob was so sucessful!

 You would think they could look at a nationwide database and look at who recently ( last year) registered a 77-79 Trans AM or a 65-67 mustang. Plus he had a 67 chevelle as well as a 73 challenger that we as victims might be able to claw back should he be forced into Bankruptcy. Just a thought
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on February 12, 2013, 10:28:14 AM
As much as I hate to say it  I don't believe I ever had a car when I went to the shop and talked to two employees that said they never seen my car. Oh also no one ever got there arm cut off on a lift
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 12, 2013, 10:37:09 AM
I called, got voice mail.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 12, 2013, 10:39:36 AM
Favoured, your right! The person in Question E. Smith was actually one of the few guys ( Eli Smith) that got a car if you look and the Build a Bandit website that Joe Godar started
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 12, 2013, 08:59:41 PM
Oh also no one ever got there arm cut off on a lift
I thought that sounded a tad far fetched . Go figure
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 12, 2013, 11:20:20 PM
I heard through the grapevine that Bob McElreath was caught by Buncombe county detectives trying to get 5 TA chassis crushed, 2 of those chassis were reported stolen by McElreath.

 I think Mr.McElreath may finally see the inside of a courtroom. When I learn more I will share it on this site.  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on February 13, 2013, 07:57:05 AM
Well they (US Govt) got Capone on Tax Evasion of all things so it looks like they *might* have good old Bingo Bob on Insurance Fraud??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 13, 2013, 08:24:21 AM
I spoke with Det. Davis yesterday.  He said that they were getting more information on him now, but it will be a long process.  As long as they all go to jail, I can wait.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 13, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
I'm telling you! Get the Govenor involved!!!!!! Then the Judge will also be on your side to lock him up!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 13, 2013, 08:48:26 AM
I spoke with the governor's office and was directed to a voicemail!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BlackTransAm on February 13, 2013, 09:39:30 AM
He's an old scammer, and old guys like that know their rights and know how to screw people.
 Dont be surprised when he pops up again, or somewhere else.
 I dont know how much the local PDs really want him. After this long it doesn't seem like they want him to bad.
 It seems a personal law suit and lein on his property would be better.,
 I bet he has it all worked out.
 My dad lived in NC and he said a GUN, was the solution
There needs to be Build a Bandit website, they are not going to do anyhting to him. Your banging your heads against a wall
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 13, 2013, 11:29:51 AM
I spoke with the governor's office and was directed to a voicemail!

Flounder, you have 60+ people. Organize a call in! Pick a call in day and then have everyone of those 60+ people call in asking the Govenor to call back. If there is a vetern among you use the fact they were a veteran. I would do this once every 3 days until you guys get a call from the Govenor. Email the other news stations as well and let them know about the call in.

Good luck to you. Remeber: It's the squeakiest wheels that get Bob thrown in jail!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on February 13, 2013, 01:03:22 PM
Just joined the site but I have been reading for months about Bob and Build a bandit. I too have been a victum and shame on me for waiting so long to speak up, but I guess like others, I was hoping this nightmare wasn't true and I would wake up and would have a beautiful TA sitting in my driveway. As we all know that's not going to happen. He has had my money since June of 2011 and I sat back and waited, no more I have made the phones, sent the emails and filed the forms if there is anything else I need to do please let me know. Also I spoke with my accountant and he told me on your taxes (at least in MA) you can file a fraud claim.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 13, 2013, 01:31:02 PM
seaglass - don't you need a settlement first?  I suspect that must of us will be looking into it too.  Having everyone calling in is a great idea.  I think everyone is on board now that Bob has stopped pretending to work on cars.  As of yesterday, he hasn't filed for bankruptcy yet. Call the police or NC AG's office to confirm for yourself.   I'd bet he's still hoping for this to all blow over.

BTW - That rumor about Bob getting caught trying to get rid of cars wasn't true.  The reliable source's source wasn't reliable.  Be careful what you believe even when it comes from people you trust.  We all know that too well.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on February 13, 2013, 01:37:11 PM
Tawidow I'm not sure  I would have to look into it, and btw sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on February 13, 2013, 02:01:30 PM

 There needs to be Build a Bandit website, they are not going to do anyhting to him. Your banging your heads against a wall


Ahem...there is. It's www.build-a-bandit.com. The problem is that it was setup by a group of individuals who thought working with Bob would get them their cars....even if it meant that others got pulled into Bob's schemes in the process. That site used to have a bunch of warning comments on it to steer potential victims, as that's really what everyone is at this stage, away from Bob. Those comments have been removed the last I checked - very sanitized now.

Now if you go over to the facebook page for build a bandit, setup by the very same individuals I mentioned above, you'll get a different view of things...for now, until they decide to rip down those comments as well.

This site is perhaps the best source of information on Bob so let's keep it civil and hopefully we'll eventually get to see a story where:

A. Everyone fleeced gets their money back, gets a car along with partial refund, or gets a fully restored car that exceeds BAB's low standards.
B. Bob et al is convicted of a crime and sent behind bars for a very long time.
C. The very crew that has been saying "Work with him instead of against him" finally sees the light that all they did was rope more victims in for Bob.

Personally, I bet B happens but it'll take a long, LONG, time. The original thread on these builds was going for 1+ year before Flounder and then TA Widow stepped in.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 13, 2013, 02:08:05 PM
George- its scary to think you probably would have gotten nothing if you didn't pick up your "Near Complete" restoration before it was ready.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on February 13, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
You mean the "Near perfect example" that Flounder had? Only 1-2 weeks away from completion? That his very negative comments began the downfall of poor BAB, caused him to lose out on a number of certified parts that were purchased for his very car but Bob held for ransom in exchange for Flounder's silence?

Nah....say it ain't so....Joe ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 13, 2013, 02:40:54 PM
Your right, if I had waited I probably would have gotten zippo. Instead I'm blessed with this.

  http://www.allmusclecars.com/payneta.html.      Pictures of the seats installed should be up in the next few days
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 13, 2013, 04:05:01 PM
Bob was not arrested. I had someone pull the info a little while ago. Just his past record showed up.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on February 13, 2013, 04:40:20 PM
Hey guys wanted to jump back in here now.. I did take down the posts on the site due to the post getting out of control. Glad to go into more details some day but the site served many purposes. It did get 3 of us our cars. Your post keep it from being a place Bob would send prospects. Since he is done now, and I got tired of managing so much name calling on the site between the people posting, I took all the post down. But that is why I left the facebook up. It is easier to maintain. I will report more on my car and what it takes to get it drivable when I know more. But 3 cars did get delivered. Not sure what I will do with the BAB site..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 13, 2013, 04:45:08 PM
Joe, i know we've talked about this. To me , Build a Bandit has a BAD conotation. I would change the name to something like "Trans Am's United" anything that does not reference Build a Bandit. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 13, 2013, 04:49:57 PM
Id say 3.5 cars.  lets not forget George ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 13, 2013, 08:51:57 PM
Hey guys wanted to jump back in here now.. I did take down the posts on the site due to the post getting out of control. Glad to go into more details some day but the site served many purposes. It did get 3 of us our cars. Your post keep it from being a place Bob would send prospects. Since he is done now, and I got tired of managing so much name calling on the site between the people posting, I took all the post down. But that is why I left the facebook up. It is easier to maintain. I will report more on my car and what it takes to get it drivable when I know more. But 3 cars did get delivered. Not sure what I will do with the BAB site..

Good to hear from you Joe G, I've followed you on youtube and you seem like a normal likable guy who loves his kids and hunting lol. Anyway, We all have been hoping to see the video of your car. Not to see the negative but just to see how far you got is all. Thanks for getting back to us
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on February 14, 2013, 12:10:12 PM
Thanks Jupiter! Appreciate that! I do love my kids and hunting!!! LOL.. hope to love this T/A soon! Even DR Frankenstein loved his creation!

When I picked it up from Bob's I drove it right to my local shop. The power steering was leaking bad when I picked it up so I was not taking any chances. My shop has had it for 2 weeks. They have replaced a frozen caliper, one of the four was not new. Fixed the power steering issue. Brakes needed a new master cycl. Choke needed some work. Now they are test driving this week to check the engine and transmission. Details to follow.

Dennis from www.allmusclecars.com is helping me too! (Thanks George) He painted some grilles for me that needed replacing. The ones on there are a joke. I need a new console and some wet sanding and pretty much touch up on the paint. I will try to avoid a total repaint for a while. I want to get it home and run it and get it cleaned up and then take it to the body shop for some work soon.

Once I have it home, I will take pics and videos to show the good and bad.. From 10 feet it looks great! It was like coming home with a rock star when I pulled it home a few weeks ago. We had guys in gas stations, restaurants, coming over to see it. We have many people pull up next to us and honk and give us a thumbs up while on the highway.. if they only knew the whole story!!

Can't wait to get it running and looking decent and try to enjoy it..

I did get a car. Not as promised but it is 100% there. Things need to be replaced and worked on but I feel lucky to be in the position I am in. Hoping something can be done for all the others.. I will help on the sites as much as possible..

I was told by a local in NC the reason Bob tried to put me off picking up my car on the Friday I did get it was, he wanted to give or show it to Scott Smith, the guy in the TV spot about the Scam.. so it looks like I was close to not getting this car.. even with title and BOS in hand..my lucky day I guess...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 14, 2013, 02:21:00 PM
Joe, i just had to laugh. Not sure if the Dr. Frankenstein comment was a good analogy. Was not Dr.Frankenstein killed by his creation? Of course if your referring to Bob as Dr.Frankenstein there might be some truth to that. LOL

 By the way glad I could help.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 14, 2013, 03:07:00 PM
Thanks Joe G for the response. I know it's hard for people to see this situation from both sides and they judge too easily. I think you were smart in what you did. You put in the effort and you got something for your troubles. It was a gamble either way as you said, you almost didn't get the car in the end. So some people gambled by taking other avenues to deal with Bob, some got $2k out of him, Some got half a car, and sadly some got nothing.

Now I'd be happy to see this come to an end with Bob facing 12 of his peers!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 14, 2013, 04:25:59 PM
Hello,

My name is Don and I have an unfinished, Black 1976 Trans Am w/T-Tops (original T-Top car, I have the PHS document on the car).

I am also among the victims of the Build-A-Bandit shop in NC, but unlike many of the other victims, I do already hold title to my car (and the local Sherriff's Dept. in NC is watching over the car now, until I can pick it up).

I have many pictures I can post, but as you can see from a couple below, my car also has custom 17" 'honeycomb' alloy wheels from Year One, which were custom powder-coated and machined in Gold (they do not come in anything but silver from Year One, so if you see these wheels on any other car, you can bet they are actually mine).

I will be picking up the car and finishing it elsewhere.  I also have a 1969 RS/SS Camaro show car, but looking forward to learning a lot about TAs from this forum.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 14, 2013, 04:52:23 PM
Viperman, was just curious where you found the car ( congrats by the way!). There are others that are missing cars and have nowhere to look.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 14, 2013, 05:01:44 PM
The shop in Black Mountain is locked up - the 'Bandit' is reportedly 2 months behind in rent - and now the locks are changed.  Sheriff went there and identified my car with my VIN # from my Title.    Sadly, only 1 other car is reportedly also still on the property...

According to the Sheriff, the motor is out of my car, but they have it there, and the driver's door is also not attached to the car, and little/no interior in place.  Aurthorities have been to the property multiple times inthe past week.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 14, 2013, 05:06:38 PM
Congrats on getting your car. I thought year one made gold 17X9s.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 14, 2013, 05:13:24 PM
Gold honeycombs?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 14, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
Viperman, I'm sorry Bob did that to your car. At least you have enough to salvage and rebuild. Some people have titles to cars that don't exist or can't be found.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 14, 2013, 05:25:17 PM
Viperman, are they allowing you to file theft charges for all the pieces that are missing and the money owed?  Sorry they did that to your car.  I heard they did that to at least a few others too. 

I'm glad that the police are looking into this a little deeper now.  I hope that means jail time is eminent for all the crooks.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 14, 2013, 05:29:08 PM
To my knowledge, Year One only sells 17" gold wheels in the 'Snowflake' style.  "Honeycomb' come in silver, which is why I had to have them custom finished in gold with a machined lip.  If you see 'em in a pic anywhere else online, they are probably my wheels.

This is a pic right after they arrived after being shipped to the Bandit's address:
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 14, 2013, 05:33:01 PM
Viperman, are they allowing you to file theft charges for all the pieces that are missing and the money owed?  Sorry they did that to your car.  I heard they did that to at least a few others too. 

I'm glad that the police are looking into this a little deeper now.  I hope that means jail time is eminent for all the crooks.

They have a detailed listing of my parts that were delivered - the Bandit even confirmed back to me what he received when it first arrived.  (The authorities are definitely aware of the concept of destroying evidence - sending unfinished cars back to junk yards to disappear, and games like that - hypothetically speaking...)  So we'll see what is recoverable...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 14, 2013, 05:56:36 PM
Viperman, I would suggest that you contact the Sherrif's office and find out who DID get cars from Bob and maybe you can backtrack that way. Maybe watch Ebay or Craigslist.

 I know of several victims who's car's interiors were stripped so your not alone!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 14, 2013, 07:25:52 PM
Viperman, I would suggest that you contact the Sherrif's office and find out who DID get cars from Bob and maybe you can backtrack that way. Maybe watch Ebay or Craigslist.

 I know of several victims who's car's interiors were stripped so your not alone!

Thanks.  I would guess the Bandit reads all of this, so i won't go into too much that's going on...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 14, 2013, 07:41:50 PM
Sorry i misread the post.  I thought you said snowflakes, those honecombs look sweet.  You should start a thread on your build.  Tons of people would love to see it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 14, 2013, 07:53:03 PM
Yes,Bob the Bandit or one of his cohorts does peruse this site!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 14, 2013, 08:01:42 PM
To be clear, those pics I've posted are what the car looked like last summer.  Instead of getting closer to being done, I've been told the car is all scratched up now, and probably missing parts...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on February 14, 2013, 08:19:56 PM
with 60+ confirmed victims the leos must have something they can move forward with
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 72blackbird on February 14, 2013, 10:20:24 PM
I hate to say it, but what makes people think you can have your T/A restored for $12-15k? These cars are costly to restore- if someone said that they could go through a T/A, tear it down, replace any worn parts, rebuild the engine, do all of the bodywork and repaint/re-decal it, repair the dash, install new door panels and reupholster the seats for $12-15k I would know they are lying and trying to commit fraud. The labor alone would cost in the $20-25k range, and that's not including parts and outside labor. It does not make what Bob did right, but people need to be realistic- he took advantage of people looking for a deal that was too good to be true, and it was.

Bob also took his T/A ponzi scheme to a devious low- no doubt he was pulling parts off his new victims cars, maybe completing 1 T/A in 5 to give the appearance of a legitimate business, but still pulling in deposits the whole time. Only Bob knows how many T/A's he's stripped of usable parts and scrapped at his buddy's junkyard.

Clearly this guy and his family have been running this scam for years- what is the Pontiac community doing to keep this guy from victimizing more T/A owners? If the law is not too concerned with him, he will keep swindling more people.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 14, 2013, 11:36:17 PM
Geno,

 What your saying has alot of truth in it. Most of the victims ( myself included) were new to the Pontiac scene. WE ( I ) have learned an expensive lesson. If it sounds like a good deal, it's probably got strings attached or it's not. Bob was the Pro but not at rebuilding cars. He was a smooth talking con artist. He knew just enough to "look" like a bad bussiness man and not a con artist.
 I do feel through Carol's efforts as well as my own we helped get the word out and once his funds dried up his true intend was revealed. The Law can no longer ignore what Bob has done. Zak and Erica are just as guilty and Michelle and Joey to a lesser extent. I think there are other area bussinesses that had a hand in Bob's scheme as well but that remains to be seen. It's time for a little rough justice!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: 72blackbird on February 15, 2013, 01:59:37 AM
Flounder,
I am truly angry and sickened about the whole "Build a Bandit" scheme Bob and his family pulled on many T/A owners- I'm surprised none of the victims at this point have taken action against these perpetrators on their own. I can't say what I would do if some shop had my Firebird and it "disappeared" or was relieved of all of it's expensive and valuable parts- I've worked hard, spent alot of money and time on my Bird and I wouldn't just lie down and do nothing or accept a BS explanation from local law enforcement why they can do little or nothing.

It's stories like Build a Bandit guarantee that my Firebird will never spend 1 minute in any shop for any work- if I cannot do it I'll contract to have the work done in my own garage. Fortunately I can build my own engines, do my own driveline work, metal, bodywork and paint, but I understand not everyone has these skills and/or the desire to do it. People that have to rely on shops to have work done on their cars run the risk of their prized possession being stripped or stolen, and unfortunately it happens alot more than the automotive service industry would care to admit.

I know the chances of most victims recovering their T/As and/or money paid in good faith is slim to none, but hopefully they will not give up the dream of having a nice clean T/A. Most of us put our time, money and sweat into our Birds over the course of years, so we don't see that finished product right away. We get them running, save up, and drive them while we get close to getting ready for paint- it may take longer, but the satisfaction IMO is the same, if not sweeter. Hopefully anyone who loves Firebirds and T/As gets to experience this, even after a horrible and traumatic experience like dealing with Build a Bandit.

Geno
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 15, 2013, 09:24:41 AM
I hate to say it, but what makes people think you can have your T/A restored for $12-15k? These cars are costly to restore- if someone said that they could go through a T/A, tear it down, replace any worn parts, rebuild the engine, do all of the bodywork and repaint/re-decal it, repair the dash, install new door panels and reupholster the seats for $12-15k I would know they are lying and trying to commit fraud. The labor alone would cost in the $20-25k range, and that's not including parts and outside labor. It does not make what Bob did right, but people need to be realistic- he took advantage of people looking for a deal that was too good to be true, and it was.

Bob also took his T/A ponzi scheme to a devious low- no doubt he was pulling parts off his new victims cars, maybe completing 1 T/A in 5 to give the appearance of a legitimate business, but still pulling in deposits the whole time. Only Bob knows how many T/A's he's stripped of usable parts and scrapped at his buddy's junkyard.

Clearly this guy and his family have been running this scam for years- what is the Pontiac community doing to keep this guy from victimizing more T/A owners? If the law is not too concerned with him, he will keep swindling more people.

You're right.  And I've restored other cars too.  The Bandit had a sales pitch of "We restore so many TAs a year that we have more of a restoration assembly line approach."  He made it sound almost like he had a factory full of people.  If you weren't expecting a #s matching car, it sounded like a new approach.  For somebody from another state, you wouldn't know that was so much BS unless you could see the actual run-down shop and realize it was a scam...  A classic example of using the internet for fraud.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 15, 2013, 02:28:08 PM
Thought I'd share this Email that Bob sent to alot of his "customers". Of course there is very little truth in ANY of it! Unlike Bob I've NEVER had more than one Ebay account and also UNLIKE Bob I don't have a posse.


I see that youíre looking at hitman. Well eBay and other mail servers are now investigating that forum and fake bidding accounts. Now that theyíre aware, they both are going to be added to 3 individual and one joint law suit. They have now seen the personal vendetta, and donít want to be manipulated. We have agreed not to advertise under turtlevhare or eck0211 till their teams fully investigate this. EBay and yahoo and others have been told that records are going to be subpoenaed. They can be on the getting sued end or take witness stand. They were unaware of all the illegal activity George and his posse we doing, now they are and see how they have been manipulated. It was all new news to them. They have taken a totally new attitude towards us and other restorers in the area, and they will monitor them very closely with user names listed on hitman. EBay and yahoo have the money and the resources to make these individuals understand that they are not the tool for personal revenge, and the fact a 7 million dollar law suit is what is at stake. When they were made aware of other individual accounts of emails of the slander and personal loss of income and intent to do harm to their members, they have a new approach to all this. We will be working close with them and their attorneys, if need be, to bring all to light. And you can share this with hitman. They have several people that are subject matters now. They need to know so they donít drag others down too. I think truly only two are being looked at for the largest part of the restitution.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 15, 2013, 02:44:21 PM
what a dip $hit!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 15, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
He really is an idiot.  Why does he think these big companies would side with him when there are over 60 people that we know of who have been scammed by him.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 15, 2013, 04:11:19 PM
This was his feable attempt to calm his nervous customers!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on February 15, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
what a dip $hit!

couldnt agree more, but as of today, he is the one laughing to the bank.
 heres hoping that changes very soon
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on February 15, 2013, 07:54:28 PM
To be clear, those pics I've posted are what the car looked like last summer.  Instead of getting closer to being done, I've been told the car is all scratched up now, and probably missing parts...

 Vipermann,

 I have seen some of the pics Bob the bandit sent you of your car, the engine shots were actually of Joe Godars 79-80, and the door off shots were of Eli Smiths car. Bob was sending you pics of other peoples builds.....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 15, 2013, 08:28:04 PM
Wonder why Joe Godar took down the pics of the GTO that was a testament of Bob's restoration talents on his BAB site?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on February 15, 2013, 10:31:14 PM
What a tool!  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bobspacin80ta on February 16, 2013, 07:31:50 AM
Has anyone checked the mustang sites for more victims? There's just the TA guys here. That 60 could be doubled by the time this is all over.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 16, 2013, 08:23:27 AM
I have not checked them out but our list contains a mustang victim,a camaro victim and a chevelle victim. They sought us out when they all got this letter from Bob the Bandit.



"George Payne finally won.  He cause enough of civil action to put me into forced bankruptcy.  Not voluntary.  Shop cannot be open, sale, build, operate or deliver any vehicle in the US.  You can file civil action as course of action, but everything is taken.  Have no way to stop it.  Iíve been legally advised this is legal whatís being forced on me as a sole operator/owner and only one liable.
 
 
 
Bob"
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on February 16, 2013, 08:48:59 AM
I love the way he always says sole owner. I want to see charges against Erica and Zak all the money was wired to Erica and Zak was in as deep as Bob
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 16, 2013, 08:53:05 AM
Michelle ans Joey have some responsibility maybe to a lesser degree but there is a degree of guilt there and there are other area bussinesses that were involved to some degree.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
Bob and his gang are just idiots if they think that Bob's the only one the authorities will go after.  Just about all the money was wired to Erica's account.  We have e-mails and phone calls from Bob, Erica, Zak, and Michelle regarding money and the status of cars.  Joey, Dave, and Mike have all  talked with people and lied about the status of their builds or told the truth about switching VIN's and taking pictures they knew were being sent to the wrong people.  These losers bragged about doing illegal stuff to more than a few customers. 

I hope the ones that only got the hourly pay roll on the others.  They're just as guilty, but without the benefits of a couple million dollars to spend (very low estimate given the time that they've been swindling people).
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 16, 2013, 11:51:11 AM
To be clear, those pics I've posted are what the car looked like last summer.  Instead of getting closer to being done, I've been told the car is all scratched up now, and probably missing parts...

 Vipermann,

 I have seen some of the pics Bob the bandit sent you of your car, the engine shots were actually of Joe Godars 79-80, and the door off shots were of Eli Smiths car. Bob was sending you pics of other peoples builds.....

You're confusing pics, and you have some facts incorrect.  Somebody else has obviously forwarded some of my emails to others (Flounder55 - but he does not have all the lists, parts and pictured information that I have, and am providing to the authorities).  You see, I have dozens of picures of my car and parts BEFORE it was delivered to the Bandit!  Of the pics that I have posted on this site - they are all of MY '76 Trans Am (especially the shots of angles that are unique to a '76 and do not match a '77 or '78). 

In fact, mid-year if you are doing, or know of TA builds for others, it is quite possible those cars are using parts to my car that are going into other cars - a statement form somebody that they are pics of others' cars or parts does not make it so.

Yes, I am aware some other pics that were sent to me were bogus and of other cars, but not the pics I have posted here.  In fact, the Bandit sent pics of my car to others.  The Bandit also stripped parts off of my '76 and put them in other cars (maybe even Joe's or Eli's car) or sold them as parts.  But the parts I have posted here are unique to my car, and I have my Titled VIN to check other parts
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 16, 2013, 02:17:06 PM
This was my 1976 T-Top Trans Am BEFORE it was delivered to the Bandit (along with a long list of parts included):
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 16, 2013, 03:04:21 PM
Well regardless of what cars were were used in pictures Bob sent out it IS clear that Bob sent out the same pictures to several " customers" claiming they were pictures of their respective cars.

 Zak even sent me pics of a car he claimed was mine, the only problem. I was having the engine built elsewhere and it had not been delivered yet. The pictures he sent depicted a car with an engine it. I let him have it with both barrels and it was then that the seeds were sown that this outfit might not be legit.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on February 16, 2013, 03:10:10 PM
I love the way he always says sole owner. I want to see charges against Erica and Zak all the money was wired to Erica and Zak was in as deep as Bob

A while ago I asked what happens if Bob files bankruptcy AFTER he supoosedly transferred his assets to his mother. Someone mentioned that the law would look at his prior trasnsactions as well. Hopefully anything he transferred to others will be seized and liquidated and leave him with nothing but jail time.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 16, 2013, 03:24:05 PM
I sent the Bandit a near complete, numbers-matching car, and a long list of associated parts.  There is reportedly now considerably less there than what I sent - just a shell without the motor.  They stripped (stole) and sold parts to my car - which is basically what car thieves do.  I wonder if this will ultimately be the bigger crime for the Bandit that will have him making friends in a prison shower.  He cannot just say, that he got into financial trouble and wasn't able to finish orders for cars from customers (victims).  No matter what trouble/difficulty he may claim, he has no cover for not returning numbers-matching and documented parts that he received ...that will clearly be theft.

If anybody comes forward with parts they bought, or found on their car, from another customer's car (like mine), they resale of stolen property will be crystal clear, he goes directly to jail.

(For example, the Bandit sent me an email saying that my 400 motor from my 1976, which also had a cam and other power modifications, had a cracked block, and that he would "do me a favor" and find me another motor to replace it.  Well, more likely, my motor was fine, and worth $$, and he sold it or put it in another customer's car, and planned to give me a junk motor.  If my numbers-matching motor is revealed by one of his other customer/victims, the trail is clear, and he is cooked.)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 16, 2013, 03:32:04 PM
Viperman,trust me when I tell you your not alone. I know a gentleman from Washington state that sent the bandit a 77 numbers matching 4speed. It's nowhere to be found at this moment.

 I know another guy from Ga that sent the the bandit a 78. Once that guy and I had a phone conversation he decided to get his car no matter what. Once he picked it up it was missing half of the interior but he did get most of his car back.

 I'm sure there are others that I'm not aware of but these are just examples of Bob the Bandit's antics
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Vipermann on February 16, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
An offer to all other 'customers' of the Bandit:

I think we can make this easy - my 1976 TA VIN# 2W87Z6N539069.

Please check your cars.  If you have my motor or other other part stamped with that VIN, the Bandit is done.  If you do, please send me a PM - we can work together - I'll help you get a replacement just to get my #s matching part back - I don't want anyone to experience anymore loss, but with this evidence, the Bandit will get his.  My 1976 TA was black, and not an SE, but is an original T-Top car, and those are somewhat rare.  It is truly criminal what the Bandit did by chopping it up.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on February 17, 2013, 12:09:19 AM
http://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/3607257202.html

I remember way back a connection to BAB going to Florida to sell cars on ebay. This ad is likely not connected but what a bad time for someone named Bob to sell a black trans am with a lot of new parts. "Excellent" spelled wrong and a missing word or two makes for some slight resemblance. Sorry if it a car from someone here.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 17, 2013, 05:09:20 PM
Look what someone found for me!    Wonder how this could be?

http://asheville.craigslist.org/pts/3599271196.html
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 17, 2013, 05:22:59 PM
Look what someone found for me!    Wonder how this could be?

http://asheville.craigslist.org/pts/3599271196.html


Can you say "Chop Shop" before the end of Bob the Bandit?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 17, 2013, 05:29:53 PM
Someone needs to call him and see if that is bob te bandit
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 17, 2013, 05:31:39 PM
I'll leave that to Det Davis.  Sent him the ad
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 17, 2013, 07:47:59 PM
http://www.mautofied.com/82-93-chevy-s10-truck-bed_Other/listing/100436165/      Same number.  This is a cell of course in Asheville, if you click on the link and go to history of items sold.  A nice white 73 firebird.  Also google the number and it comes back with allot of dusters, oddly enough they are scattered around everywhere according to the ad.  This one is a shot in front of a trailer...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 20, 2013, 04:31:02 PM
Any updates?  It got very quiet around here.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 20, 2013, 05:38:15 PM
I know Dingles is in Banditland to pick up his Camaro. He told me the 454 in the car is NOT new,has a slight knock, the radiator looks like crap. The exhaust pipes have no hangers ( they are welded to the car). Wrong wheels.
 I think he will be bringing it home tomorrow. I'm sure he will have pictures to post
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 20, 2013, 07:29:36 PM
Yup enjoyng Bndit Land!  Car Motor is used and came out of someones truck, has a knock, the aluminum ratdiator does not appear to have the aluminum look!  It is a regular radiator that the fins look like they have been hit with a hammer, no shroud, it will run hot.  wrong wheels, not painted, bolts from the aluminum intake stick up about an inch, I think the overflow has ducttape holding the bottle against the wall.  That is just what is visible.  The only thing I can say Bob did good was the bodywork, because there was none to do.  Mufflers had no hangers, welded directly to the frame.
Got some numbers for some people, and went to several places and found out a few different things..

Bob if your reading this, you really suck at even trying to throw something together....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on February 20, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
Mufflers welded to the frame . I've never heard of that one before !
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 20, 2013, 08:04:55 PM
Mufflers welded to the frame . I've never heard of that one before !

Yes it was quite the sight to see.  Total laziness on slapping something together....I would of rather a coathanger.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 20, 2013, 08:06:31 PM
So what did you hear from others around town.  has anyone heard from this low life.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 20, 2013, 08:11:02 PM
Well,Well, Well,

  Someone sent this....................it's AWESOME!

                    http://www.buildabandit.com/Default.aspx
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 20, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
So what did you hear from others around town.  has anyone heard from this low life.

Inboxed you.  Well hell I just should of posted it.  Whats he going to do...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on February 20, 2013, 11:11:22 PM
Well,Well, Well,

  Someone sent this....................it's AWESOME!

                    http://www.buildabandit.com/Default.aspx

Do you have to register on the site to read or is this still under construction?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 21, 2013, 12:54:01 AM
Looks like it's still under construction
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 21, 2013, 08:33:04 AM
I like the idea.  I feel bad for the guy who owns that Domain.  I bet he is an honest guy who maybe wanted to someday build a business off of that name and Bob has tainted the name forever.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 21, 2013, 09:13:49 AM
There is one thing strange about that ( call me skeptical) . I Emailed JGodar thinking he was the author of this site but he said no. This domaine name was owned by Bob until recently when he stopped paying for it. Joe said he wanted it but someone beat him to the punch.

 Maybe it's legit ( hope so) maybe a fishing expedition to see what info is out there against Bob. The author of this site says he has owned this site for awhile. If so, why pop up now?

  Just some food or thought
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 21, 2013, 09:52:01 AM
ok,ok....anybody know this guy?

  Registrant:
Joe Ward
 Massachusetts
United States

 He owns the new site
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on February 21, 2013, 09:53:22 AM
My information is a little dated but I *think* it still applies...

Domain Names.... The initial registration is good for (2) years. That just reserves your name out on the interweb so no one else can take it. Now, depending on who you registered the name through you may be the billing contact or you may not. Assuming Bob went through Internic (domain name registration authority - for the lack of a better term), he would be the billing contact. When the (2) years was coming to a close, he'd be mailed a renewal form. If he didn't pay, the domain name goes into limbo for a bit. Once Internic determines that the original owner isn't paying up, the name becomes fair game again for someone else to register.

So...if good old Bingo Bob happened to have that name registered and let it lapse, which I believe is the case as his initial website was www.buildabandit.com, then it's only become available in the recent months.

FWIW: buildabandit.com is registered through Go-Daddy.com and pontiacpros.com is through Fat Cow Hosting. Based off this and Bob's propensity for doing things cheap, I'd wager that we're looking at (2) different people with the domain names.


**Can you tell I did ISP (Internet Service Provider) support for 2+ years??  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on February 21, 2013, 09:55:42 AM
BTW: Flounder, I'd pull Joe's contact info unless you have proof he's part of the ponzi scheme Bob's been running. No need to get him caught in the cross hairs...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 21, 2013, 10:17:16 AM
Brian, I guess I came across wrong. It just seems strange that on this site this person SAYS they have owned this site for awhile and just now it surfaces. I did redact part of the address. Maybe this IS one of the good guys?   I just figured somebody here would know him. Not trying to cause him ANY grief.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 21, 2013, 10:47:26 AM
Flounder I just emailed you Joe Wards number and address. On cell so too hard to post.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on February 21, 2013, 11:20:37 AM
Brian, I guess I came across wrong. It just seems strange that on this site this person SAYS they have owned this site for awhile and just now it surfaces. I did redact part of the address. Maybe this IS one of the good guys?   I just figured somebody here would know him. Not trying to cause him ANY grief.

No problem. His definition of "a while" is probably stretching things just a touch. I *think* Bob's registration of the domain name lapsed when he was switching over to Pontiac Pros. Don't hold me to it but it is a recent thing if you remember we did mention it either in this thread or the original that it suddenly went away only to have Pontiac Pros pop up in its place.

For those wondering...it's incredibly cheap to register a domain and renew it when the "contract" is up so it raises flags as to why a long standing business would let it lapse.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 22, 2013, 08:56:15 PM
I see Zak had to go out and get a real job. hmmmm.  Skyland Automotive Car dealership and auto repair.  I wonder if they know how his mentor taught him and what was invovled..... hmmmmmm......
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 22, 2013, 10:25:34 PM
Dingles, Did he write that on his facebook page? He is gonna need to make some REAL money anyway so he can make bail because just like his theiven DADDY.....He is GOING TO JAIL!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on February 22, 2013, 11:05:06 PM
Dingles, Did he write that on his facebook page? He is gonna need to make some REAL money anyway so he can make bail because just like his theiven DADDY.....He is GOING TO JAIL!

One can only hope!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 22, 2013, 11:05:42 PM
Yes he did. Also he state on the Facebook build a bandit his page how much he makes. If you go back further he had bought a house in November I believe? Someone put a link to his twitter page.  Lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 22, 2013, 11:07:59 PM
They have a pic of him on twitter wearing women's clothes. That must be why Bob flunked out. Hard to build in high heels!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 22, 2013, 11:23:50 PM
Hello Boys!!  Be sure to check my facebook page and follow me on twitter!!

I can weld your mufflers directly to your frame and have gas shoot in your face when you start up your car!  I have plenty of ductape to fix anything!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on February 23, 2013, 08:54:03 AM
Maybe some guys like boys with boobs?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on February 23, 2013, 09:20:50 AM
Wow typical, sterotypical trash.  He has a galaxy S3 phone and is chubby.  Typical welfare rat created by this dying country and Odumbo.  I'd love to see a picture of Bob.  I'm certain he is more disgusting.  These rats' pictures should be publicly posted everywhere.  Then maybe we'd get lucky and someone would step up and whack 'em.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 23, 2013, 09:51:00 AM
Bob's picture is on the Build a Bandit facebook site.

I did not see any comments Zak made about buying a house but I'm just an average Facebook user. I don't even tweet! I'll let the birds do that!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 25, 2013, 09:55:34 AM
A trip to Banditland........very sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



http://www.allmusclecars.com/bobbandit.html
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on February 25, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
Very sad that these losers are still walking around.  I hope they're all working hard at real jobs now.  At least we'll have some money to reimburse us a little bit.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: BARRACUDA1968 on February 25, 2013, 10:20:10 AM
Wow, that is sad!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: oldskoolubr on February 25, 2013, 12:53:36 PM
  Sorry guys just makes me sick and PISSED OFF!  >:(
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 25, 2013, 02:45:22 PM
Wow, that is sad!
My guess is that none of them will be able to hold down an honest job to save their own lives.  From the pics I have just seen I do not know how any of them sleep at night stripping cars that did not even belong to them, selling cars that dont exist, and to know one of them is riding around with my motor while I have theirs in this car makes me very angry.  Useless people, wasting oxygen.  I cannot wait for the day it catches up to them......
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on February 25, 2013, 03:06:43 PM
Has their been any new updates on the news station doing a story on these clowns?  Did anyone else call them to complain?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 25, 2013, 03:56:08 PM
Has their been any new updates on the news station doing a story on these clowns?  Did anyone else call them to complain?
When I went there everyone had a count closer to almost 100 victims.  Some might not know about us.  I called the news station and emailed as I was there a few day to see if they wanted a 1st hand look at his handywork.  No response.  But they have a higher victim count..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on February 27, 2013, 09:51:22 AM
George, I wish I didn't see your pictures BUT thanks for sharing. My blood just boils everytime I read posts, hear stories and see pictures. I can't believe I was so stupid to fall for this. He will get his in the end and so will his family and it won't be pretty and we will be the ones laughing not him. ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on February 27, 2013, 10:07:20 AM
I really don't like posting them because I know the heartache it represents but we all know it's needed. This horse is not dead as some might proclaim. If they think so just take a look.

 As you said Bob can run but he can't hide. Sooner or later he will get his
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on February 27, 2013, 10:43:35 AM
If you have been following Zak on twitter it seems he had some of his dads chili!  I wonder if that's Bobs chili? Which means he is still local. Hmmm
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 04, 2013, 11:17:33 AM
Another victim................


From David Warga
To Flounder1955@yahoo.com

Hi George,
 
Iím another victim of Bobís.  I purchased my Bandit build through an ebay auction last March.  My last conversation with Bob was four weeks ago, and I was told my car would be ready for delivery by the end of the month.  Then I received the email:   ďGeorge Payne finally won. He cause enough of civil action to put me into forced bankruptcy...Ē

I just came across the Hitmanís Forum, and found your posts on this situation.  Iíve only read a few of the 85 pages so far.  If thereís anything I can do to assist in the process of getting some justice out of this mess, please let me know.  I have the contracts, build sheets, progress photos, emails etc. 

If you have any suggestions about any action that I should take at this point in an attempt to recover some portion of my money back, Iíd sincerely appreciate it.
 
Thank you,
 
David Warga
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on March 04, 2013, 04:18:34 PM
Well that's Fruad if the car never existed. It is as simple as the courts asking Bob to see proof of ownership for any car he sold. If he can not prove the car existed then it's out and out FRAUD!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on March 04, 2013, 05:24:41 PM
The VIN Bob gave me for my car I had it run in a police computer and it came back as "scrap" wouldn't that be fraud too??
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Chuckles on March 04, 2013, 06:14:31 PM
Well, if you guys would like a REAL restoration shop fix/repair anything. My good friend has done multiple celebrity movie cars (Christine, Herbie The Love Bug, etc.) and he does beautiful work at a fair price. His name is Earl. Tell him "Chuckles" sent you. He's a personal good friend of mine. He's a small operation but, pays attention to the little details. Note: The young lady on the "Home" page of his website is my ex-gf. Lol.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Classic-Car-Creations/189746381039661?fref=ts
http://classiccarcreations.net/
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on March 04, 2013, 06:22:29 PM
No contact with anybody from the police dept. in weeks is the Bob and his family still free
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 04, 2013, 07:06:34 PM
Found out that Zak Kampert ( Bob's Step-son and build coordinator) got a job as a car salesman at Skyland Automotive. They have a Facebook page. I posted and asked if they knew where Zak used to work and asked if they did a background check. My post was deleted.

 I bet if enough people posted on Skyland automotive's facebook page about how they felt about  Skyland's hiring practices they might take notice.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on March 04, 2013, 10:03:12 PM
POsted. We will see how long it lasts!  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 04, 2013, 10:22:49 PM
Thanks! Sure would like the to see the tables reversed for a change
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on March 05, 2013, 12:14:54 AM
POsted. We will see how long it lasts!  ;D
Aw darn can we see the post quoted here? I'm not on Facebook
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on March 05, 2013, 12:56:37 AM
Recent Posts by Others on Skyland AutomotiveSee all

Frederick Shepherd
Is it your common practice to hire thieves and crooks? Background checks would be nice and they are not that expensive! Just sayin!
2 hours ago

Rick Buble
test
27 February at 18:21

Rick Buble
what's with you presiden's day commercials with the boring blond?? President's Day is long gone. The commercials with the boring blond are gettiing old. Is she someone's wife or daughter?? Let's dump her and get some zing in your commercials!!!!
1 ∑ 27 February at 18:18

Janice Baar Schuiteman
I can not say "Thank You" big enough or loud enough to your service department!!!! We are from Michigan and had our radiator hose come lose on my Pacifica a week ago Friday at 4:30 in the afternoon. Your dealership had us back on the road before 5pm!!! Your kindness and professional service was awesome. Needless to say our two days spent in your beautiful city left a big impression on us and we can not wait to visit again! Thank you so much!!!!
11 ∑ 26 January at 19:59

Chris Jordan
Im glad to be Back in the car business at Skyland Automotive
1 ∑ 30 December 2012 at 18:04
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on March 05, 2013, 08:14:38 AM
I went to their contact us page and asked them if Zak was hiding the cars on their lot?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on March 05, 2013, 11:20:19 AM
They deleted my post. Hmmmmm.  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on March 05, 2013, 11:56:35 AM
Here's my contribution...

Brian Carterposted toSkyland Automotive
2 seconds ago
Have you heard of a restoration outfit in the area that goes by Pontiac Pros/Build-A-Bandit/Pick-A-Pony/Common Man Restorations? I believe they made the local TV news in a scam section. Might want to look into it and see if any of the names mentioned ring any bells...
Like ∑ ∑ Promote
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 05, 2013, 01:22:48 PM
Your contribution was deleted
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on March 05, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
I posted on the skyland wall too.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on March 05, 2013, 11:23:39 PM
This currently up on their wall but I am sure it will be deleted in the morning. Very good post if you ask me.

Are you aware that your employee Zak Kampert is part of a business that is currently under scrutiny for ripping off 60-100 people for $12,000-$16,000 each? The "business" known as Build-A-Bandit or Pontiac Pros sold trans am restorations on ebay, but they never deliver. The few times they have the cars were total piles of crap that lacked all quality. Zak helped hide defects and shortcuts on these cars as well as help steal the money for the cars that were never delivered period. Who you hire says something about your business. I hope potential customers see this and pay attention to it. You have a criminal, literally a criminal, working for you, and his name is Zak Kampert.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on March 06, 2013, 07:53:53 AM
I like that one. Nice work hopefully it stays up for a while.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 06, 2013, 08:30:17 AM
Nope...it's gone. Bob Dingles post is up. and I just left this...http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_scam-alert-10514.shtml
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on March 06, 2013, 10:44:20 AM
Nope...it's gone. Bob Dingles post is up. and I just left this...http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_scam-alert-10514.shtml

They are fast deleting stuff off that site!  Someone with my name left a paragraph and it was gone early!!  Your post still remains along with someone with my name that posted this still remains!  LOL

If you have heard of Bob the Bandit and Zak Kampert disgracing our town, then go to skyland and see Zak Kampert, let him hook you up with a deal like they did so many!

Unlike ∑  ∑ 9 hours ago
You like this..Bob Dingles How do you delete a post so fast concerning citizens of your own town! I see I am not the only one! Zak your salesman was second in command. Over 80 victims with no cars at all! Made up out of thin air!! Some even done local to us!! Right down the road from you is a VICTIM! I believe the people here should know who you have hired. I know I would. Our small town has turned upside down with scandal because of this! How would the 2nd in command misplace so many cars???? Let our city know!!
about an hour ago ∑ Unlike ∑ 1..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on March 06, 2013, 10:45:33 AM
Whats the odds of someone in the same town having my name.  lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on March 06, 2013, 10:24:17 PM
This currently up on their wall but I am sure it will be deleted in the morning. Very good post if you ask me.

Are you aware that your employee Zak Kampert is part of a business that is currently under scrutiny for ripping off 60-100 people for $12,000-$16,000 each? The "business" known as Build-A-Bandit or Pontiac Pros sold trans am restorations on ebay, but they never deliver. The few times they have the cars were total piles of crap that lacked all quality. Zak helped hide defects and shortcuts on these cars as well as help steal the money for the cars that were never delivered period. Who you hire says something about your business. I hope potential customers see this and pay attention to it. You have a criminal, literally a criminal, working for you, and his name is Zak Kampert.

That was mine.  I'm reposting it.  It's like this company is trying to shield their crooked employee.  You think they'd at least facebook message us and tell us they were looking into it or something.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 07, 2013, 02:59:45 AM
They have deleted EVERYTHING!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on March 07, 2013, 04:45:48 AM
I am sure Zach is playing it up and saying HE is the victim!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on March 07, 2013, 07:55:53 AM
You can always call Zak direct. Maybe he'll tell you where your cars are.
Title: Sv: Build a Bandit
Post by: mikekop on March 07, 2013, 11:26:35 AM
Seems you cant put up a post on that FB-page anymore. This is what I tried to post:

" Is this the Company where the scam artist known as Zak Kampert works? I cant believe a legitime business would hire such a person, that took the money from nearly 100 Trans Am enthusiast and delivered crap, if any. But maybe that's Skyland Automotives intent too?
Recent widows and people serving US in Afganistan we're among the victims of Zak Kampert and his stepdad Bob McElrath of Build a Bandit/Pontiac Pros and other aliases.
Be aware!"

Skickat frŚn min Transformer TF101 via Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on March 07, 2013, 12:00:09 PM
Well...if'n you're so inclined, here's the Skyland Automotive webpage (complete with contact info):

http://www.skylandautomotive.com/index.htm

**Apparently they have Twitter ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Bayou_Flyer on March 07, 2013, 09:16:56 PM
Send the link to that news story to the "Principal" and GM of that dealership.....bet they would enjoy the heads up.

It is even possible they may not even be aware of your posts (great BTW) if the webmaster is scrubbing the site before anyone sees them. If that's the case, I guarantee they would be interested...moreso if the local authorities drop by for a little Q&A session with one of their employees.

What dealership wants that kind of publicity...especially in this economy!? Maybe this one...

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on March 07, 2013, 09:46:44 PM
Just posted this...

A number of people have posted comments regarding an employee of yours that is as crooked as a picket fence in a tornado and magically, they all seem to be deleted. Are you guys embarrassed that you hired a crook? Leave the posts up and let people know this information or are you deliberately trying to hide something?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 07, 2013, 10:06:16 PM
Contacted WLOS and let them know where Zak Kampert works.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 08, 2013, 09:00:51 AM
Mongo, your post was deleted......................AGAIN!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on March 08, 2013, 09:44:36 AM
Skyland has a new post.

Please have the 2nd in command that works here now tell us how he lost over 50 cars? People are finding them all over the city! There is no way 1 person could move all of them. Have Zak Kampert please help these victims. He was 2nd in charge at this scam.

Please have the 2nd in command that works here now tell us how he lost over 50 cars? People are finding them all over the city! There is no way 1 person could move all of them. Have Zak Kampert please help these victims. He was 2nd in charge at this scam.

They are not allowing us to post with the accounts we posted with..
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on March 08, 2013, 09:47:38 AM
Deleted in Under 5 Minutes....
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on March 08, 2013, 09:51:02 AM
http://www.autotrader.com/dealer/info/NC/Asheville/28806/72183/Skyland_Automotive.jsp

Hey an instant chat page!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: dingles on March 08, 2013, 09:54:08 AM
Better luck with these higher ups..

Company Contacts
 
John Parker
President
828 667-5213 x-221

828 667-4118
 
Jan Perkins
Finance Executive
828 667-5213
 
Tony Sellers
Mercedes-Benz Sales Manager
828 667-5213 x-230
Search for more contacts
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on March 08, 2013, 12:00:18 PM
Wont let me post anymore. LOL! I have been banned! I feel like the Reaper!  :(
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: JupiterBandit on March 08, 2013, 12:24:09 PM
should have posted Zak's picture wearing women's clothing on there
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Bayou_Flyer on March 08, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
Has anyone from law enforcement made recent contact with any of the victims? What about at the federal level? 

Seems like this guy has the pleasure of hiding in plain sight.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on March 09, 2013, 08:55:04 AM
I haven't received my affidavit from the NC AG to sign yet, but I heard that the FBI is working on it now.  Only the NC AG has contacted me for more information.  The police asked some generic questions about a month ago.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Chuckles on March 09, 2013, 05:27:27 PM
Well, if I understand correctly...when ever these scams and acts of fraud cross state lines is when it becomes a federal crime. So, by scamming people out of state he's committed several federal crimes. It's only a matter of time before these butchers are found and drug behind a horse...or in this case, I think it'd be fitting if it were behind a Trans Am of one of the members he ripped off. ;)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on March 09, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
I think it was a cop who told me that the feds had to get involved if the scam went over $500,000.  This clearly did.  I always hear cases of idiots stealing  a couple thousand and getting years in jail.  I hope their crimes carry proportionally large penalties.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Bayou_Flyer on March 09, 2013, 07:24:11 PM
They'll be "knockin' on his back door" at Club Fed........karma is a b!tch, but in this case it'll be a 300lb criminal with a new playmate...err, cellmate!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on March 22, 2013, 10:40:51 AM
Found a new ad on eBay that reeks of Bob:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-black-1979-trans-am-/221204455288?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3380d01f78#ht_500wt_1182

Its gots the gooder inglish and he won't return any messages.  It's the same ad that was in the classifieds earlier in the month.  I left one for the last ad and this one.  I never received a response from either.  That's pretty fishy for someone legitimately trying to sell a car.  The seller name is violetfastbull and he only has 11 items he's bought or sold.  All I asked for was a little more information about the car and a VIN. 

Erika's having trouble with her phone.  For some reason it keeps hanging up.  Maybe someone else would have better luck at 828-206-1118.  I got a hold of her once and she said that her lawyer told her not to talk to anyone.

No new news from the authorities other than they are working on it.  I have more faith that they're taking a closer look at things now that we have a list of about 80 names.  That's our list, not their's.  I would think that they have even more names than we do.  I hope the whole crew is in jail soon.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on March 22, 2013, 12:20:22 PM
Thanks for the update, I am glad this is still being worked.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on March 22, 2013, 12:51:54 PM
Also, it looks like Dennis Worley of Worley motorsports will be picking up whats left of the car carcasses at Black Mountain,NC. That includes Ed Flaherty's RAPED car. Ed has indicated that he does not want it.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: brian c on April 04, 2013, 09:10:37 AM
Inquiring minds want to know.....any update???
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on April 04, 2013, 10:46:14 AM
Not that I'm aware of. The last time I contacted the DOJ I was chastised by Susan Davis because I critisized Det.Davis and I was told they would not tolerate me slamming their office or Det. Davis. Sooooo I'm just sitting back and letting them do their jobs, Finally!

 I guess we will hear what progress they have made once they are ready to make some.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on April 04, 2013, 04:33:59 PM
Maybe Det. Davis NEEDS to be chastised for not doing her job! 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on April 04, 2013, 08:38:40 PM
I've been told Bob has been seen driving around town in his Ford Excursion.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on April 04, 2013, 09:37:50 PM
So he got back from his Vegas trip?  I doubt the loser ever left the trailer park.  He has no idea that anyone is looking into what he's been up to.  I doubt he even thinks stealing the $1.5 million or more was such a big deal.  He's blaming George; his bimbo (sorry 3 or 4 kids all with different daddies = bimbo) girlfriend is claiming innocence and abandonment; his idiot stepson is whining about job interviews and pretending to be a man to some girl.  None of them have taken any responsibility for what they've done to over 100 families.  They're all acting as if they've done nothing wrong.  It's amazing.  I can't wait for karma to catch up.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on April 22, 2013, 08:35:14 AM
A bit surprised this is not already posted here.

(http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/fugitive/images/mugshots/.R%20McElreath%204-8-2013JPG.JPG)


Robert McElreath

Age:46

Height:5'10"

Weight:240 lbs

Crimes: 25 Felony warrants for ďObtaining Property by False PretensesĒ

Info:
If you have any information on this Buncombe County Fugitive, please call the Criminal Investigations Division at 828-255-5555 or CrimeStoppers at 828-255-5050, or email tips@abcrimestoppers.org

http://www.wlos.com/shared/community/features/wanted-fugitive-gallery/index.shtml#.UXUtccqyCZA (http://www.wlos.com/shared/community/features/wanted-fugitive-gallery/index.shtml#.UXUtccqyCZA)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on April 22, 2013, 10:45:18 AM
That's great news!  I hope they look for him at his home address.  I heard that was where he was "hiding."  1 partially down, at least 2 more to go.  Erica, Zak, Joey, David, Michelle and everyone else involved need to be held accountable too.  This was not just a one man operation.  Many or all knew what they were doing was illegal.  Erica and Zak knew without a doubt.  The employees that joked with victims about swapping plates and taking pictures to send false information to victims should be charged too.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: sixgunsblazing on April 22, 2013, 11:23:15 AM
Thats awesome news!

Glad to see a little punishment may be coming, of course true justice and payback for the victims will never happen
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on April 22, 2013, 12:56:20 PM
Finally.  they got their act together.  I hope he gets what is coming for him.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Schroeder on April 22, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
awesome!  How do they have this mug shot but dont have him?  Has bob been in jail for something else?  This is awesome.  He's getting charged!  Once he gets caught the house of cards will come down and he'll spill information about those who helped him.  Once they get Bob they will get more.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on April 22, 2013, 01:26:19 PM
Yes , Bob is a predicate felon. He has been arrested at least twice before this incedent. I would think a felony conviction here will send him away for awhile!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on April 23, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
good news
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Post by: brian c on April 25, 2013, 04:59:34 PM
Arrest warrants? Did I jut read arrest warrant? WOOHOO!!!!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mojo240 on April 28, 2013, 03:31:35 PM
Bubba is about to show you some love BOB.  You P.O.S
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on April 30, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
Haven't seen where this loser has been arrested yet, guess they aren't looking to hard.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on May 01, 2013, 01:02:25 PM
With all the things he has pulled on people, with cars and money why isn't he on "America's Most Wanted" isn't this the stuff they love looking for and airing? Isn't this what the shows all about? I just experienced the Boston Marathon bombing they found that P.O.S. in a few days what about him they can't be that lame or could they?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 01, 2013, 02:04:03 PM
With all the things he has pulled on people, with cars and money why isn't he on "America's Most Wanted" isn't this the stuff they love looking for and airing? Isn't this what the shows all about? I just experienced the Boston Marathon bombing they found that P.O.S. in a few days what about him they can't be that lame or could they?

I would agree that they should have found him by now, though it is a little extreme to compare the level of severity to the Boston Marathon Bombing as it is only money and not peoples lives.  I do hope they make this guy a top priority.  So justice can be served.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on May 01, 2013, 04:41:54 PM
And to top all that off I understand from some of the locals that he has been seen riding around the area in a black expedition! Go Figure!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on May 03, 2013, 10:02:26 AM
I wasn't comparing him to the bombing. All I was trying to say is that they had no idea who the person or persons were who did that awful event in Boston and they found them, they know who he (Bob) is and where he lives why haven't they found or done anything on him? How much more do they need on him isn't this enough and this is only TA's what about the ponies he was building too I wonder how many victums are there?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on May 03, 2013, 01:08:14 PM
I contacted the sheriff's department to see if anyone could hire someone to find the loser.  As usual, Det. Davis replied defensively and said that Bob's house has been searched numerous times; some of his employees have been instructed to dial 911 if they see him; Crime Stoppers has a reward for information leading to his arrest; and his standard - he won't discuss the case. 

He also said that victims will be contacted when Bob's arrested.  Of course, that doesn't include me or the majority of the people that Bob's stolen on average $15,000 from.  The authorities have determined that somehow we just have civil cases.  Of course, that's been Det. Davis' stance on my case since I first contacted him back in July.  Well before any partial refund.

Wasn't Bob bragging to someone that he has 5 houses in his mother's name?  I wonder if they've all been searched. 

Incidentally, I spoke with a different policeman that didn't feel personally attacked when offered help.  He said that we can search for him ourselves or hire someone if we wanted to, but to just call police if we find him - NOT to try to approach him ourselves.

If the "real" victims are contacted, I'd appreciate it if they'd pass the information along.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on May 03, 2013, 01:22:52 PM
dont know, is it worth a couple hundred bucks to hire a PI to round him up? (or at least locate him)...specially if theres a reward
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on May 03, 2013, 03:07:49 PM
He said that we can search for him ourselves or hire someone if we wanted to, but to just call police if we find him - NOT to try to approach him ourselves.

I'd approach him , but with my luck I'd be bringing a baseball bat to a gun fight. You Americans are armed to the teeth lol
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on May 03, 2013, 03:17:02 PM
He said that we can search for him ourselves or hire someone if we wanted to, but to just call police if we find him - NOT to try to approach him ourselves.

I'd approach him , but with my luck I'd be bringing a baseball bat to a gun fight. You Americans are armed to the teeth lol

thats in case we get attacked from the north
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on May 03, 2013, 03:19:48 PM
LMAO ^^^

You have nothing to worry about , as our governent prefers unarmed peasants
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Chuckles on May 03, 2013, 11:29:09 PM
LMAO ^^^

You have nothing to worry about , as our governent prefers unarmed peasants

As does ours. Which is why they're frantically trying to disarm us.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on May 04, 2013, 12:58:26 PM
One of his employees said that he likes to wave around a gun.  I don't believe anything that anyone who knew that thief says.  Still, he already pretty much threatened all of us when he wrote we shouldn't contact the police or other authorities and in the same e-mail tell us all about how he broke a guy's legs and poured gasoline on him because he was "protecting" his property (translated to someone tried to take something that he probably paid 10 times what it's worth and it was at least a year late). 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on May 04, 2013, 01:17:09 PM
One of his employees said that he likes to wave around a gun.  I don't believe anything that anyone who knew that thief says.  Still, he already pretty much threatened all of us when he wrote we shouldn't contact the police or other authorities and in the same e-mail tell us all about how he broke a guy's legs and poured gasoline on him because he was "protecting" his property (translated to someone tried to take something that he probably paid 10 times what it's worth and it was at least a year late). 

This should be on 60 minutes or Dateline . I'd love to see Bob have an interview with Chris Hanson   ;D

TA make the call !
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on May 04, 2013, 08:13:23 PM
I can't believe th cops are being such jerks. That's why cops are pieces of s#^*.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on May 05, 2013, 05:46:52 AM
Why should they care? He only scammed one person from the area so I think they pretty much see it as a victimless crime. Has anyone looked at the Buncombe county,NC arrest website? They average 400-500 arrests a month!

 So Bob is just a small blip on their radar. At least that's the impression I'm getting.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on May 05, 2013, 06:42:13 AM
Why should they care? He only scammed one person from the area so I think they pretty much see it as a victimless crime. Has anyone looked at the Buncombe county,NC arrest website? They average 400-500 arrests a month!

 So Bob is just a small blip on their radar. At least that's the impression I'm getting.
so then they punt it to a higher authority but I am guessing they don't even want to do that. I still hate pigs
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on May 05, 2013, 10:58:01 AM
They haven't kicked it anywhere.  The FBI hasn't touched it except for keeping the IC3 complaints that we made because Bob used the internet.  I don't think they've done anything but file those.  I'm picturing a big round can.  I've tried to talk with the person assigned to it at that level and I was told that there wasn't one.  I think that there are at least 4 from NC plus the Mr. Smith.  I'm pretty sure that he's opted out of dealing with this.

Hopefully everyone did file an IC3 report.  I know that only 3 people in the last 3 years filed reports with the BBB.  These agencies don't act if they don't see enough of a reason to act.

I think that since this just involves an obscene amount of money that they don't treat it with the same urgency as they would if he committed a violent crime.  It's only affected about 100 families from around the world.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on May 27, 2013, 10:03:19 AM
It's pathetic they haven't picked that dirt bag up yet. All we can get from law enforcement is the acknowledgement that he has committed these crimes but no real attempt to pick him up. What kind of message is that? Can someone help me understand? I know there are people in jail for committing lesser crimes.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on May 27, 2013, 10:20:11 AM
John, I agree. Anytime that I have critisized the people in charge they reply that" You don't what is being done or is going on behind the scenes".  I Think they know they have dropped the ball on this one and don't like someone pointing to the egg on their faces.

At some point he will show up. What mystifies me is why warrants have not been issued for Zak,Ericka as well as Michelle and a few others.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on May 27, 2013, 11:55:50 AM
Tax season just passed so assuming he filed taxes, the Government knows where he is at. If he did not file then they have another reason to find him. They could track him by other means if they were truly after him. You can no longer hide in this life, THEY know where WE are and what WE are doing
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on May 27, 2013, 12:56:23 PM
the IRS has its own problems right now
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on May 27, 2013, 01:29:08 PM
the IRS has its own problems right now

He would have been caught quicker if he named his business Build A Tea Party Bandit
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on May 28, 2013, 02:35:53 PM
lol Bob and his gang will eventually be forced into an alias like that since they keep making new aliases.  Didn't somebody say that the IRS was "looking into" him too for failing to pay his taxes for a few years?  Good question about why no one else has been charged.  They all knew what they were doing was illegal.  The employees even had the nerve to tell victims about it - laughing the whole time.

The good news is that once the authorities are handed Bob, Bob will squeal like the little pig that he is.  He will go down naming every single scumbag under the sun that helped him trying to get himself the best deal possible.  Even better news is that the crimes he's charged with have a sentence up to 29 1/2 years and that's just for amounts over $100,000.  I wonder what the sentence is for amounts over $1 million.

I'd think that anyone connected to this should fess up now and try to walk away with less time.  They have to know that Bob likes to name names.  There's even a reward for information leading up to Bob's arrest (call the Criminal Investigation Division at 828-255-5555 or Crime Stoppers at 828-255-5050 or email tips @ abcrimestoppers.org)

Erica's number is 828-206-1118. She also uses 828-338-0137 which had been her baby boy's number. They're still using the business phone of 828-275-1584 - Classic Cars.  They're still trying to swindle people!!!  The phone messages are being picked up.  Little Zak's mailbox is filled at 828-768-0707.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on May 28, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
Wow TA you sure do your homework
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Just Eddie on May 28, 2013, 04:33:39 PM
It's taken me quite awhile to go through this thread and I never saw anything like this. I think this thread was a great service to the Trans Am community and hopefully no one else will be swindled by that POS, but I know that's wishful thinking. Still the more a potential buyer is informed of fraud and deception, the better it is for all of us in the classic car hobby and community.

tawidow, I'm sorry for not only the loss of your husband, but the stress and anger in dealing with BAB. I admire your guts and determination in not letting go and be a silent victim. I have no doubt your spotlight on Bob and his gang of thieves has not only pissed him off to no end, but has prevented more victims from falling into his trap.

Keep up the pressure and as a Trans Am owner myself, I thank you and who ever on this board made this thread possible.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on May 28, 2013, 06:15:22 PM
Ta widow has certainly been the tip of the spear! This thread was actually started by JGodar and picked up by me and now is being carried on by Carol. It's been a group effort as there was a group effort here. I also am a victim but my wait is almost over has my car has been promised to be done by 6/15. You can see the progress on Flounder55 build under restorations.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Just Eddie on May 28, 2013, 08:04:40 PM
Ta widow has certainly been the tip of the spear! This thread was actually started by JGodar and picked up by me and now is being carried on by Carol. It's been a group effort as there was a group effort here. I also am a victim but my wait is almost over has my car has been promised to be done by 6/15. You can see the progress on Flounder55 build under restorations.


I checked out the progress of your car on that thread, not too long ago and it looks great. I especially love to see 2nd gen TA's restored and your car will certainly turn heads. It's great that you were able to turn that nightmare around from BAB and get it built the way it should have been. Some people would have thrown in the towel and had no choice but to walk away.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on May 28, 2013, 08:50:57 PM
Lets not foreget there was another thread before this that was almost 80 pages long as well!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on May 28, 2013, 10:45:24 PM
Thanks Eddie.  I wish I could take all the credit and there weren't another 70-100 fellow victims out there out over $1.5 million.  Joe, George, and a legion of others were here long before me.  I think that my situation just allowed me to see the truth a lot sooner than most and everyone got to see what kind of  lowlives bob and his crew really are by speaking up about it.   There have been at least a dozen more victims after me in just the 8 months he was still pretending to do a business.  I'm at about the 90% mark for the victims we know about.

It's amazing, but some people are still hesitant to file complaints with the authorities.  They think that either 1) He was doing the best he could (delirium and serious medication would be needed for me to ever believe this line of BS) or 2) What would one more name do to this huge list?  Why bother? I'd like to forget the whole thing ever happened and get on with my life. (He's still got a functioning phone line for Classic Cars - he's still trying to con people!)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on May 31, 2013, 04:49:28 PM
KJ your right, there were several threads regarding BAB. Several victims started a thread and then kinda fell by the wayside. I actually PROMISED everybody on here that I would follow this all the way through and let you guys know what the outcome was one way or the other.

 I asked brett ( Hitman) to move the thread as the lawyer that I had at the time requested it.

  As I said there were several victims on this site. Most of them kinda faded away. I'm in touch with several. I guess Bob singled me out as the reason he filed banckruptcy was because ( at the time) I was the most vocal. In fact it was a joint effort from me ,Carol ( TA Widow) and the whole 78TA.com site that helped get the word out about BAB and caused Bob's bussiness to wither on the vine.
 The authoroties were of little help then and are only MARGINALLY helpful now! Had they done a more thorough investigation it would have been obvious that Bob's bussiness was a house of cards ( ponzi scheme) and should have shut him down 50 victims ago!
  Not sure where the Authoroties in this investigation but my hope is they they finally are closing in on Bob and his cohorts! Make no mistake! There were several people that KNOWINGLY helped perpitrate this fraud. I hope some civil action can be brought against them as well !
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Squirrel on June 01, 2013, 08:22:25 PM
on another note i met joe godar today at a local car show he had his ta in.  i got there very late as everyone was leaving and did not get much of a chance to speak with him but his ta is looking great.  i bet i will run into him again as he is local to me and look forward to hearing his story.  he had a " i survived build a bandit" t shirt on, pretty funny.  it was on and off rain today so i did not bring my ta out. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 01, 2013, 10:43:27 PM
Yeah! I need to get me one of those T-shirts.  I promised Joe I'd visit in August to show him my car. Also want to take in the Nats while I'm there.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 01, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Do you think a judge would let us all wear t-shirts like that to their court appearances?  It'd be nice to see a sea of them every time one of the losers are trying to say they're innocent.  I got a chance to speak at Erica again today.  She claimed again that she had nothing to do with any of it.  Funny that her bank account had everything to do with it and she was talking people through the bank transfers and contracts just a few months ago.  I guess the 70+ people that have shared their independent information are all lying and she's the only one telling the truth.  That's way more likely.  I really cannot wait for these losers to be in jail.  Her number again for anyone who'd like her to explain things to them is 828-206-1118.

That's great that Joe's already at car shows just a week after getting everything fixed.  You guys all sound like hard core car fanatics.  It's good to hear that some are able to enjoy what many look at as nightmares too far gone to bother with.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 01, 2013, 11:32:07 PM
This whole thing is and was a nightmare for all of us. Even though some of us got cars we have had to sink thousands of more dollars into them to make them drive-able and right. I guess you could say there are different degrees in the depth of those nightmares. They all  knew what they were doing and hopefully they will all have to pay. I just don't know what they are waiting for in picking those criminals up.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jgodar on June 03, 2013, 03:13:32 PM
Squirrel, it was nice to meet you too! Short but sweet! It was funny that you where there at the show and have been on here the whole time. I know you had to go talk to your buddy but lets meet up again here in town soon. Love to see your car and show you what mine has turned into. Like John said, we had to really go thru 2 builds.. but we are coming out OK in the long run all things considered.

I did get some shirts made for a few of us.. let me know if anyone else wants one. I did wear it to the show and it makes for a great story..I can see if we can get some more.

Here is a pic of the Trophy the car won this past weekend. First time at a show! Hope more to come!

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/603135_471824346231176_1436121972_n.jpg
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 03, 2013, 03:16:34 PM
To All Members!!!!!!!!!!!!

 I got this in an Email today from the NCDOJ. It's late...but better late than never!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>>>> 

AG Cooper slams the breaks on ďSmokey and the BanditĒ car seller

Consumers from around the world lost more than $2.2 million to scheme

Raleigh: A Buncombe County man who claimed to sell classic Pontiac Trans Ams has been ordered to stop taking orders and advance deposits for automobile restoration in North Carolina, Attorney General Roy Cooper announced today.

 

The Trans Am was made popular by the 1977 hit movie Smokey and the Bandit, starring Burt Reynolds and Sally Fields.

 

ďPromising consumers a custom car, taking their money and then leaving them high and dry is no way to do business,Ē Cooper said. ďWe want to stop bandits from making off with peopleís money.Ē

 

On Thursday afternoon, Wake County Superior Court Judge Howard Manning agreed with Cooperís request for a temporary restraining order against Robert Allen McElreath and his businesses Build-a-Bandit, Pick a Pony, Pontiac Pros, Common Man Classic Hot Rods and Discount Automotive Classic Restorations with addresses at 1040C Old US 70 in Black Mountain and 3082 Cane Creek Road in Fairview. Cooper is seeking to permanently ban the company from auto restoration work in North Carolina and win refunds for consumers and civil penalties.

 

McElreath also faces arrest on related felony charges. Twenty-six warrants have been issued against McElreath for obtaining property by false pretenses and it is believed that McElreath has left the state to avoid arrest.

As alleged in Cooperís complaint, McElreath advertised his ďSmokey and the BanditĒ cars on Internet auction sites such as eBay. Consumers who bid on restored Bandit cars at auction but didnít win got a follow up call from McElreath offering them a car at a discounted price. Consumers who signed a written contract were asked to immediately wire thousands of dollars before work could begin. Once the wire transfer went through, consumers reported that they had trouble reaching McElreath and very little work, if any, ever got done. Consumers complained that they never got their cars and couldnít get their money back.

 

According to an affidavit filed with Cooperís lawsuit, a Florida man who paid McElreath $15,500 to fully restore a 1978 Trans Am using the consumerís own Pontiac 400 engine spent more than a year and a half waiting for his car before deciding to confront McElreath in person. When he arrived at McElreathís shop accompanied by a local police officer, he discovered that the car was little more than an empty shell. An inspection revealed that the car was missing more than $9,000 worth of parts.

 

Since June 2012, Cooperís Consumer Protection Division has received 52 written complaints from consumers from as far away as Australia who signed contracts with McElreath for automobile restoration but never got what they were promised. Based on information gathered during the investigation, since 2009 consumers have paid more than $2.2 million to McElreath for restorations that were never satisfactorily completed.

 

ďNo matter how much you want it or how good the deal seems, itís not a good idea to pay upfront, especially by wire transfer,Ē said Cooper. ďCheck out a company thoroughly before you agree to give them your money.Ē

 

To check out a company or file a complaint against one, consumers can call1-877-5-NO-SCAM toll-free within state. Consumers can also file a complaint online at www.ncdoj.gov.

http://www.ncdoj.gov/News-and-Alerts/News-Releases-and-Advisories/Press-Releases/AG-Cooper-slams-the-breaks-on--Smokey-and-the-Band.aspx

 

 

Noelle Talley

Public Information Officer

Attorney General Roy Cooper

N.C. Department of Justice

Desk: (919) 716-6484

After hours: (919) 218-1255

ntalley@ncdoj.gov

www.ncdoj.gov

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: jmurray878 on June 03, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
Somebody's going to the pokey....  Assuming they can find the rat bastard!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on June 03, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
I am sure they will find him.  The guy doesnt' seem like the brightest bulb.  It sure did take them long enough to send that note out.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on June 03, 2013, 06:07:16 PM
Hi Flounder thanks for printing the letter/email, I got mine this afternoon too. I hope they get that POS and his whole gang. I know this will take some time but as they say if Rome was built in a day we would be using there contractors!!  ;D
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 03, 2013, 07:09:49 PM
They are a little late to the party but I guess better late then never.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on June 03, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Wow guys were finally seeing some progress . Not a lot but its better than nothing .
I can foresee this loser making a debut on CNN here soon
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 03, 2013, 09:59:29 PM
Check out WLOS tonight (you can get a live feed on WLOS.com I think).  They've been interviewing victims, they might have the story as early as tonight.  I hope the creep and cohorts get kicked out of hiding with this.

It's too bad people weren't telling them that they ripped off over $1.5 million months ago...It's too bad a large number of us didn't contact all the local news sources didn't tell them there was a problem last year and they could have looked into it then.  That's top-notch reporting to go hand in hand with top notch detective work from the authorities.  I swear this country is set up to aid criminals and punish victims.  Better late than never I guess - if anything becomes of it.  They still haven't charged anyone but Bob.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on June 03, 2013, 10:21:56 PM
I found this on Yahoo news ;D

http://news.yahoo.com/nc-man-told-stop-taking-173704671.html
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 03, 2013, 10:57:58 PM
Thanks Mongo! 
    If the reporter that interviewed me is any indication of the investigators that are looking for Bob....he is home free!
 She actually asked me why he had a mugshot! I responded..." Because he is a predicate FELON"!

 She also asked why I was so mad and then interjected " I don't mean to put words in your mouth"  I told her " you just did"
 On the WLOS site they got Bob's age wrong. Say's he is 26. I email her that his age was not 26. She said I never said it was. I wrote that is what the WLOS site on the internet says. She responded that I should be a reporter and write a book.
 I responded "I'm retired, your the reporter you write the book"

 They did not want to talk about Zak Kampert or Ericka Kampert even though all the money went through her
Credit Union account.    This is a fiasco! Bob..wherever you are...I know your laughing right now!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 04, 2013, 02:59:11 AM
Guys/Gals do me a favor...Please!  WLOS has a comment page under the Build A Bandit story. Please go there and give them your 2 cents worth! They need to know that this IS a big deal because I don't think they get it.  One of the comments the reporter said to me was that " People get conned all the time" . My reply was " I know that but  at 2.2 million, 15K a pop this con went on for FAR TOO LONG. You guys are focused on one man and there are ALOT more involved"!

 Thanks I appreciate all your efforts
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on June 04, 2013, 06:58:13 AM
http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_car-scam-allegations-11925.shtml
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 04, 2013, 07:17:48 AM
Here's another one: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52086683#.Ua3KoEBJ408

"Kampert said she did paperwork for McElreath, working as his secretary for a while. "Since I don't know what you're talking about, it's best I not to talk to you," she said before hanging up."

She did paperwork?!?  She had a kid with the thief!  She groomed one of her sons to be just like him.  I guess she left those parts out.  What kind of awful parent knowingly allows their kid to get involved in criminal activity as a young teenager?  I guess the kind that has no problem stealing $2.2 million from people.  What a bunch of low lifes.

The best thing about all of this is that when they go to jail the daughter might have a chance to be raised by someone with morals.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 04, 2013, 07:27:40 AM
http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20130604/NEWS/306040020/AG-Buncombe-man-scammed-Bandit-car-lovers?nclick_check=1

Finally, the word is getting out! I sure hope someone in their area finally calls the police when they see him. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 04, 2013, 08:35:50 AM
Like I said PLEASE go to the WLOS comment page under car scam and give them your 2 cents worth!

  Thank you!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: solargold on June 04, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
The heat is on just got to keep turning up the flame.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 04, 2013, 03:48:51 PM
A sargent with the Buncombe Sheriff's Dept said they put out a press release today about McElreath.  Can anyone find it?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on June 04, 2013, 07:17:29 PM
Guys/Gals do me a favor...Please!  WLOS has a comment page under the Build A Bandit story. Please go there and give them your 2 cents worth!
 Thanks I appreciate all your efforts

maybe a link to the page would help

http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_car-scam-allegations-11925.shtml

...^^^sorry didn't see it above, not sure where to post on there, it goes to facebook
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 04, 2013, 07:24:24 PM
Say yes to the request...LOL!

 Here you go.

 http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_car-scam-allegations-11925.shtml

Again please go to this site and post a comment.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 04, 2013, 09:09:40 PM
Here are all the places I could find it listed today.  Has anyone found the police press release yet?

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20130603/ARTICLES/130609974/0/APS?p=2&tc=pg

http://wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_car-scam-allegations-11925.shtml?fb_comment_id=fbc_320481194751301_1624008_320914521374635#f3821f56b4

http://www.wsav.com/story/22489094/nc-officials-try-to-track-down-man-who

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/aussies-victims-in-us22m-trans-am-scam-20130604-2nni3.html?skin=text-only

http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20130604/NEWS/306040020/

http://nclawyersweekly.com/2013/06/03/car-restorer-ordered-to-stop-taking-customer-deposits/

http://hosted2.ap.org/NCGOL/NC/Article_2013-06-03-Trans%20Am%20Restoration/id-74d0e56846ad4f8e908e747c11fce883

http://www.ncpoliticalnews.com/?p=2111

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/06/03/3518521/nc-man-told-to-stop-taking-money.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52086683#.Ua6OrUBJ408

http://legalnewsline.com/news/241997-n-c-ag-announces-court-order-against-custom-car-seller-2

http://www.localmemphis.com/news/national/story/Man-took-2M-to-restore-cars-but-didnt-deliver-o/7YwHV-RXWU65OXHyO5-56Q.cspx?rss=61
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Trans am Oz on June 05, 2013, 01:33:00 AM
Here are all the places I could find it listed today.  Has anyone found the police press release yet?

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20130603/ARTICLES/130609974/0/APS?p=2&tc=pg

http://wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_car-scam-allegations-11925.shtml?fb_comment_id=fbc_320481194751301_1624008_320914521374635#f3821f56b4

http://www.wsav.com/story/22489094/nc-officials-try-to-track-down-man-who

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/aussies-victims-in-us22m-trans-am-scam-20130604-2nni3.html?skin=text-only

http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20130604/NEWS/306040020/

http://nclawyersweekly.com/2013/06/03/car-restorer-ordered-to-stop-taking-customer-deposits/

http://hosted2.ap.org/NCGOL/NC/Article_2013-06-03-Trans%20Am%20Restoration/id-74d0e56846ad4f8e908e747c11fce883

http://www.ncpoliticalnews.com/?p=2111

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/06/03/3518521/nc-man-told-to-stop-taking-money.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52086683#.Ua6OrUBJ408

http://legalnewsline.com/news/241997-n-c-ag-announces-court-order-against-custom-car-seller-2

http://www.localmemphis.com/news/national/story/Man-took-2M-to-restore-cars-but-didnt-deliver-o/7YwHV-RXWU65OXHyO5-56Q.cspx?rss=61

Found this on a local website
http://www.watoday.com.au/breaking-news-world/aussies-victims-in-us22m-trans-am-scam-20130604-2nni3.html (http://www.watoday.com.au/breaking-news-world/aussies-victims-in-us22m-trans-am-scam-20130604-2nni3.html)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on June 05, 2013, 05:04:44 AM
They feel he left the state which means we don't feel like looking for him so we hope he just pops up some place.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 05, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
I got word from a reliable source that Rat was seen today but slipped away. He is still in town as of today.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Chuckles on June 05, 2013, 09:10:57 PM
LMAO, he probably waved to the lead detective and kept on walking.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 05, 2013, 09:38:11 PM
Where was he seen?  One person that's been quoted as a reliable source has also been known to gut cars right alongside Bob.  Bob also listed him as a business partner numerous times.  I think that particular reliable source is trying to throw monkey wrenches into everything and discredit people by having them pass on false information.  He should have been brought up on charges too.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 05, 2013, 10:14:10 PM
I was told that Bob was seen by the boys who rent the old Fairview shop and they followed him to a local mall but he slipped away before the police could get there.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 05, 2013, 10:23:38 PM
That's so awesome that people are willing to call the cops!!! and follow him!  He can't hole up in their trailer wreck forever. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on June 06, 2013, 12:53:18 AM
I'm still shocked he's still on the streets , like how hard is it find someone in an excursion ?

Did you here about the cop that went into TimHortons . He asked the girl behind the counter if they had any day old donuts . She replies no . He replies , thats ok I can wait
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on June 06, 2013, 06:51:53 AM
Since the AG want to try to recoup some of the victims money, I wonder if they will investigate Bob signing over his '"assests" to his mother.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on June 06, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
Hi All i've been out of town since i went on TV in FEB. when i got the Email of death from Bob one day before i was to pick up my car. i'm glad to see they are finally going to do something with Bob. But what about Erika she's the one i sent all my money to maybe some of us should get together and file a civil suite against her. Just a thought no law against it what do ya'll think :)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on June 06, 2013, 02:16:49 PM
Since the AG want to try to recoup some of the victims money, I wonder if they will investigate Bob signing over his '"assests" to his mother.

Jeese Bob's whole family will be behind bars before you know it!  Poor mom
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 06, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
Yes, sue Erica and Bob. They are equally guilty.  I almost feel that she's more guilty because she's such a horrible liar.  I cannot believe they printed that she said she just did paperwork and earlier that he'd abandoned her.  Why on Earth can't they get a decent reporter to ask if having a bastard child with him was part of the paperwork, or shacking up with the loser for 10 years, or molding another of her litter to lie, cheat, and steal too, or filing paperwork to be the owner of at least 2 of the 12 aliases, or receiving the bulk if not all of the money in her bank accounts???   How many people have "just paperwork" jobs like that?  How is she staying out of prison now???

I was filling out paperwork for small claims court today.  It's $126.  The max allowed is $5000 plus interest.  I think you can seek treble (triple) damages.  I believe that it's if you believe the debt was intentional - as in these losers stole $2.2 million from 100 people.  I'd say this qualifies.  It beats trying to get a lawyer and pursue this in regular court with a $5000 retainer. 

I'm filing on behalf of each of my kids too since we have to split his possessions 3 ways in probate court.

http://www.buncombecounty.org/governing/depts/courtClerk/civil.aspx
click the button for small claims forms
form number: AOC-CVM-200
Download the document first!!!  And you can't print more than the visible space in the windows.

Bob and Erica's address is 22 Ward Drive, Fairview, NC 28730
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Favoured on June 06, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 07, 2013, 03:22:35 PM
Sorry, I was a little quick with the information.  It's $96 plus $30 per defendant.  So that's $156 for both Erica and Bob.   Both George and I were told that you only need one check, not 2 like it has listed on their website.

Also, if you are out of state you need to send a certified check (ie a bank check). I was told that the checks need to be made out to "Clerk of Superior Court"  Southerners talk funny - it sounded like she said clark. You might want to double check that - George was told to make the check out to someone else.  You also need to send a self addressed stamped envelope.
The mailing address is:
Buncombe County Clerk of Courts
Clerk of Superior Court
Buncombe County Courthouse
60 Court Plaza
Ashville, NC  28801-3519

Oh - you will be in court within 30 calendar days of the court filing the paperwork - NOT when the thieves are served.  Make sure your calendars are ready to be cleared.  I may be asking some victims for notarized letters.  I think that a lot of us have information that would help each other.  Joe Godar was shown checks written out and never sent to me and Bob named him as our mediator.  He also had discussions with the crooks about how Bob "bent over backwards for me."
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on June 07, 2013, 03:52:45 PM
After many years of watching Judge Judy you gotta be careful with Notorized documents, some judges won't accept them.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 07, 2013, 05:02:35 PM
So only present witnesses are allowed?  Too bad he ripped people off around the world.  I feel fortunate to live only 250 miles away.  I can be there in a morning's drive.  If there is ANY paperwork people need someone to do while I'm there, let me know.  I have great friends to watch the kids and animals for as long as necessary.  I'd be happy to file anything or get photos if there are any gutted ruins left rotting somewhere.

I need to get one of Godar's t-shirts for court.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 08, 2013, 11:15:06 AM
Hello All,

  I'm not sure this is the best place to post this but since BAB is mentioned I'll go here. Bill Webb has been in contact with me off and on since my build with BAB constantly promoting his builds. He made remarks about other builders ( restore a muscle car , Florida Trans Am Specialties) that I thought were not appropriate as well as remarks about BAB victims which I thought were insensitive. Here is the Email regarding BAB victims and how he feels about his " SUPER T A".


Hey George,

I checked out the news clip. Lots of people who will never get their dream TA.

Well, we will still keep building our one a year or so Super Bandits and doing some occasional customer work. The '78 Fisher T top in our opinion is the best there is to build from. Never really cared for the Hurst Hatch design. Hopefully, in time, our name will get to be known for good quality builds and our small business will pick up. We will concentrate to builds $50k and up. As Bob proved, you can't properly build a nice TA for less than that unless you build it yourself and save on labor charges. Our last build was $30k out of pocket when all was added up. That $30k plus the 1,500 labor hours adds up to be an expensive TA. My son's labor charge is still $20 per hour and I charge $25 per hour. Even at that low hourly rate, it is easy to spend over $30k in labor charges. I guess people who ordered a TA from Bob didn't take the time to understand just how much it really takes to custom build a nice TA and thus were caught off guard with Bob not delivering. If those people had realized that it takes at least $20k out of pocket to build one, they all would have realized there was no way they could purchase one for under $20k.

Your build still rolling along smoothly? I would think that it is about finished being we started our build after your builder started working on yours and we have competed and sold ours. Although, we didn't have the hindrance of money issues which can hold up progress sometimes.

 Bill Webb
 Southern Classic Trans Ams

 And this one regarding other builders. Please keep in mind that I think this guy used to be in Real Estate and has now transitioned to T A's. I know he is a member of this site but I'm just printing what he wrote . You guys be the judge. I asked him to stop contacting me.

 




Hey George,

 

I ran out of space in my reply thorough ebay response for this question. What do you calculate your total build cost to be when all is completed? I know what Restore a Muscle car charges, what Rick at Trans Am Specialties of Florida charges and a what can be expected in a Year One BRE build, but as of yet, you haven't told me what you have spent for the engine, Bob's work and with your current builder.

 

I know our price is lower than the three mentioned above and our quality level is a few notches higher than what Rick people can do.  Is your current builder like Bob where he could sell you a body and completely restore it nicely for under $20k?

 

I really am curious. Your emails to me always sound like our prices are unreasonable.


 

               Bill Webb
              Southern Classic Trans Ams
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on June 08, 2013, 04:22:28 PM
unfortunately his (webbs) comments about the costs involved in a build are not untrue, just sad that bob duped so many into thinking it could be done for much less
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 08, 2013, 05:44:54 PM
And just for the record, I have around 43K in my build ( the 15.5K I sent to BAB is included as well as the 4500.00 for the Bruce Fulper 400) and that's with 17  inch year ones', x-pypes ( webb does not do this) Ram Air restoration ceramic coated  manifolds( webb uses headers) a 200r4 tranny( webb uses 3 speed autos or 4 speeds) power windows and locks ( webb's are mechanical) fuel injection( webb's are carburated) in dash Kenwood 990 with back up cam ( webb uses standard radios) remote trunk latch ( webb does not) rear window defogger ( not on Webb's cars). Webb's cars do not use a low pressure switch on the A/C ( according to my builder that's a no-no). I have 7-way power seats ( webb's cars don't offer that)

 I just feel he does not need to put down other builders if in deed he builds a quality product, people will come to him.
  Again I realize this may not be the appropriate place for this post but I just want to point out that there ARE reasonable builders out there that don't shout out how good they are . Dennis of Allmusclecars is just such a builder. He has worked with me every step of the way to minimize my expenditures.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: gamermyj on June 10, 2013, 11:45:28 AM
You're bashing Webb pretty hard here. Probably shouldnt do that after accusing him of doing the same, eh?

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Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 10, 2013, 01:04:17 PM
The difference is I'm not a builder. Plus I did not solicite his input or advice. The Emails I received were over aa year or so time span. They just kept coming. These are just samples  of the 10 or 15 I received.

 I'm not saying he builds a bad car. I never said "A" builder is 2 or 3 notches in quality above "B" builder.

 I stated what he offers in his builds and what I received in my build and it was less money.

 And if you think that's bashing? Well I did ask you to be the judge so in the interest of fairness....enough said.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: kjkjkcjkcj on June 10, 2013, 01:55:56 PM
Guy's perhaps it would be best to keep this thread strictly about Bob the bandit.  This way when someone Google's Build a Bandit the thread that pops up will be soley about his evil schemes.

A new thread could always be started on that builder if you feel other Pontiac enthusiasts would like the information.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 10, 2013, 02:20:51 PM
Agreed, it kinda took on a life of it's own. I thought better when I first posted it. Live and learn!

 thanks KJ for steering this back where it belongs.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 10, 2013, 11:22:03 PM
A clerk at the courthouse called and told me that I have to fill out the magistrate summons.  It's form AOC-CVM-100.

I wish they had a full list of items needed on their website.  It sure would make things a lot easier.  Oh well, she was nice enough about it and gave me the form number instead of making me hunt for it.

30 days or less and this will all be over for me unless I get the added bonus of being able to speak at their criminal trials.  Those would be trips well worth taking.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on June 11, 2013, 12:25:53 AM
You're bashing Webb pretty hard here.

wouldn't call it bashing, just comparing numbers, I think we all can agree these cars are not cheap to redo if you want a decent result. hard to believe webb  still has an hourly shop rate of $20/25. glad you found your new guy flounder
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 11, 2013, 09:52:23 AM
Thanks HADA, yeah Dennis has been very sympathetic to my plight and feels Bob gave people like himself a bad name and he wants to change that. He has helped many BAB victims retreive what's left of there cars. AND he has helped people like me and Joe Godar get the mess Bob called " fully restored" back into more than reasonable shape.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 12, 2013, 09:00:40 PM
This may be a dumb question but what makes you guys think Bob will show up to court especially with all the warrants and the failure to appear in the AG case.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 12, 2013, 09:08:27 PM
Jay, the dumb questions are the ones that you don't ask. Jay I don't care if he does not show up. If he does not respond or show or ask for a delay he is tried in absentia and we win our judgement. If he shows up, he gets arrested. Win, win either way!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 12, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Yeah I don't think he'll show because he knows he'll get arrested so if everyone wins their cases let's hope the authorities find out where he has all his money stashed. They might want to buy some shovels. That's assuming he has anything left. It would no doubt be a victory for the good guys if everyone could get some of their money back.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on June 12, 2013, 09:40:16 PM
remember Ericka is a co-defendant so if a judgement is entered is joint and severally applied.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 12, 2013, 10:48:19 PM
Definitely not a dumb question.  I was told the same thing George repeated.  The trial will go on in his absence.  Erica hasn't been hiding.  She's just been lying.  I can't believe they haven't charged her yet.  Hopefully a judge will be able to see all the proof we have that she was just as involved.  Maybe with a few lawsuits won, the NC AG and police will finally pull her in too - then Michelle Petterson (or Patterson), Zak Kampert, David, Joe, Dennis, etc.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RikkiB on June 13, 2013, 09:34:34 AM
Maybe I just missed reading it but who are Michelle Petterson (or Patterson), David, Joe, and Dennis? What were their roles in this ponzi scheme?
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 13, 2013, 09:54:47 AM
They were all employees or "independent contractors" that helped con people.  Michelle worked in the office.  I have e-mails from her to my husband spewing crap about what a great deal he was getting and how she never saw Bob allow a car to go for such a low price...  All lies of course.  The others worked in the shops.  Some have admitted to other victims that they swapped VIN plates and took pictures of cars to send to multiple people - all claiming to be updates.  One car - multiple victims with the exact same pictures for their updates.
They knew what they were doing was illegal and they laughed about it.  They probably didn't get as much of a cut as Bob and Erica, but what they did was still illegal and they should be held responsible.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: RainMan on June 13, 2013, 08:58:27 PM
^^  I'm with you Carol , it wasnt a one man show and they all should be held accountable . Prison is far to comfortable for them though , I'd sooner see a differant option
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 13, 2013, 10:28:27 PM
I don't think anyone doubts that Erica, Michelle, David, Zak and Joey knew what Bob was doing but you are including Dennis who was not a employee of Bob's. He had nothing to do with the operations of Bob's business. Dennis is a legit business man who owns his own shop. He was not involved in taking anyone's money or promising them cars. He figured out pretty quickly what kind of man Bob was. Bob would send work to Dennis on occasion and Dennis would make Bob pay him and if he didn't he would hold the car till payment was received. When Bob is caught I'm sure he will point fingers at as many people as possible. Bob was the master mind behind it all and those listed above had some sort of hand in it too. Bob did business with a multitude of businesses and people, that doesn't make them all criminals. They all got screwed around just like we did. That's one of the reasons Bob was finding it harder and harder to do business because he was burning so many bridges. Everyone is free to have a opinion and this is mine so I hope you guys don't mind me speaking my piece.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 14, 2013, 11:13:08 AM
I listed Dennis because one of the victims picked up her car there and found several pieces of her car out of the car and in his shop.  It sounded as if it took quite a bit of persuasion to get him to give back what was hers.  Several others had visited his shop along their nightmarish journeys with Bob.  He's also been the purported source of misinformation regarding Bob that has caused quite a bit of tension between the authorities and the victims asking about that misinformation.  Bob is obviously a liar and everything he's ever said should be doubted.  That said, he's always maintained that Dennis is his business partner.  I haven't used his last name or the name of the shop so that IF he is innocent, this will not hurt him.

It sounds like you're saying that Dennis knew he was probably working on cars that were parts of Bob's scams, but it was okay because he got paid up front.  How is that any better than being one of Bob's employees?  Maybe he is better IF he didn't commit any crimes, but it sure doesn't sound like he's run to the police to provide any information.  "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: midyear on June 14, 2013, 05:59:12 PM
  I stay kinda quiet on here, but now feel the need to clarify one thing...the Dennis in question that is associated with Build a bandit  is Dennis Whorley, and not Me, while we share the same first name, I am not associated with Bob in any way. I do have flounders car, and I am the Dennis that he refers to when he posts about his car...but not the one who runs a shop in Black mountain/Fairview area.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 14, 2013, 07:17:57 PM
I think you are referring to the woman with the blue camaro. Bob sent the car to Dennis without her knowledge to work on which including putting a motor in it. The motor was owned by Dennis. The woman showed up to pick it up but Bob never paid Dennis so he told her he would release the car when she or Bob paid. She refused to pay and Bob was nowhere to be found. Dennis again gave her the option to pay or he would take the motor out and she could have the car free and clear. She took it with no motor and other parts related to the work he did. In regard to the authorities Dennis has also fully cooperated with them and has tried to be helpful, not deceive them.  If anyone wants to talk to Dennis his number is easy to find. I'm sure he will answer any questions you may have. On another note, Zak was seen today in the Fairview area. He says he hasn't seen Bob.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 15, 2013, 08:23:22 AM
Has he volunteered to turn in cars or car parts that had anything to do with the scams or is he holding on to those pieces and waiting for people to come find him?  Again - IF he's holding something he even thinks has been stolen (as in paid for by at least one of the victims) then he's guilty in my eyes.  If he helped Bob work on cars that he knew were part of his scams then he's guilty.  All that stuff should be voluntarily handed over without waiting for the authorities to ask for it.  That would be cooperating.   Sitting back and waiting to either give it back to Bob or waiting for a victim to find him or use it himself when all blows over is STEALING.  Let the authorities figure out who it belongs to.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 15, 2013, 10:31:17 AM
This is where you are reaching. Dennis doesn't have any cars or parts of cars that belong to any victims. He was going to buy what was left over at Black Mountain after the owner offered it all for sale but he didn't. I believe the authorities took possession of what was left. Dennis said he would talk to you if you call him to clear up any other questions you may have. We are all humans and none of us are perfect but that doesn't make us criminals. My advice is to speak to him and get the facts straight because saying stuff about people that you don't know to be 100% true could lead to another court date.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on June 15, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
On another note, Zak was seen today in the Fairview area. He says he hasn't seen Bob.

sounds like you are on speaking terms with zak...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 15, 2013, 11:19:42 PM
No, but I know someone in that area that saw and talked to him. Bob hasn't been seen but the rest of them are walking around town free and clear. Zak needs a job if anyone is hiring.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on June 15, 2013, 11:37:48 PM
Please tell me you're joking.  I don't know more than a couple on here that could say that and I'd know for sure they were joking.  Zak has been raised to steal from people since he was a young teenager or longer.  He has no problem openly mocking me for being a widow.  I suspect (not 100% sure) that he's the one that impersonated me on ripoffreport and propositioned Bob. 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909 on June 15, 2013, 11:51:42 PM
I'm not joking that he is looking for work but I was joking that any of us would consider recommending or giving him a job. I got ripped off too. I at minimum hold Bob, Erica, and Zak accountable.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on June 16, 2013, 07:24:19 AM
I hope you have at least contacted the authorities on your source so that he can be questioned.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on July 08, 2013, 10:56:06 AM
 Has anyone heard any news? I'm hoping it has not come to a stand still because it's warm outside and people are on vacation. Has he/them been caught? Please update it anyone can. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on July 08, 2013, 12:47:54 PM
Hey Seaglass,

 As far as I know McElreath has not been caught ....yet! T A Widow and myself will be in Asheville,NC on Thursday as we are taking Ericka Kampert to small claims court.

  I or Carol will let the the board know how it turns out.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: hada76 on July 08, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
we are taking Ericka Kampert to small claims court.

a least that's some good news, good luck
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Seaglass on July 08, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
Thanks Flounder I knew I could count on you. May all go well on Thursday kick her a** for me!! ;D Oh okay I'll be nice ... not really >:D.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: bluebyu64gp on July 09, 2013, 11:58:06 PM
So check it out, just by coincidence, an item I sold on erape happen to be to a person in Asheville, NC ...so for shits and giggles, I asked if he knew the famous Bob...he thought he had heard of him, so I sent him the link from here...he does know him...there is more to the story, but I will not put it up here as I have heard Mr. Bob reads this site.


 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on July 10, 2013, 04:30:37 PM
Blue I sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on July 10, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Just want to say ....THANK YOU BLUE!     That info might prove to be very useful!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on July 11, 2013, 02:54:48 AM
Thought you guys might like to see this.


   http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_trans-am-lawsuits-12413.shtml
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Mongo on July 11, 2013, 11:20:42 AM
Sooner or later, the hammers gonna fall on this POS!
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Dark T/A on July 11, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
great job Flounder and TAwidow for your efforts
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Just Eddie on July 11, 2013, 06:17:54 PM
great job Flounder and TAwidow for your efforts


I agree and I'm in awe of the stamina and drive both of you have in trying to bring that scumbag con man and his accomplices, to some form of justice. It's amazing to me how without the work both of you have done here on this forum and in real life,  the media and law enforcement probably wouldn't have done anything. At least not as much as they have so far. From a car collector and muscle car fan, I thank both of you.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on July 11, 2013, 07:57:28 PM
Fat lot of good our work has done us today.  We both lost against Erica.  She was able to get a lawyer for small claims court.  I wonder where she got the money.  She claimed she didn't have enough to feed her children.  He argued and won that the e-mails shouldn't be used.  He argued and won that the complaint taken straight off the government's site wasn't authenticated and shouldn't be used.   It listed Erica throughout and linked her to the bank accounts used.  ERICA ADMITTED TO BEING ON THE BANK ACCOUNT that the money was given to and it didn't matter.  He argued and won that the Buncombe County print out that listed Erica as doing business as Pontiac Pros and Discount Auto... wasn't authenticated and couldn't be used. It came down to that she was not named on the contracts.  George even had the wire transfer that went with the contract that Erica admitted to handwriting her name and instructions.  It wasn't enough.  UNBELIEVEABLE.  We'll still be able to take Bob to court when he turns himself in or someone finds him for the police.  We could also take Zak to court.  I think I have the only chance to win there since he signed a contract with me.

FYI - the reason the AG is saying that they estimate they've swindled over $2.2 million is because they tallied up 5 accounts they used since 2009.  It came closer to $2.3 million.  Erica was the only name (aside from maybe the business name) on 2 of the accounts.  Bob had one all to himself. And they shared the big account that had over $1.3 million deposited into it.  The 5th didn't list names.  So we didn't win today, but hopefully she'll be in jail before long.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on July 12, 2013, 02:07:52 AM
http://www.wlos.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wlos_buildabandit-victims-go-small-claims-court-12425.shtml
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: N PRGRES on July 12, 2013, 04:31:50 AM
Funny part is the attorney probably cost more than she would have been sued for lol.  To bring an attorney to small claims says something
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: ponchonutty on July 12, 2013, 06:12:45 AM
Her attorney probably is being paid by getting his "Bandit" restored.  That's why they can't find Bob.  Bob is stuck in the shop trying to get the car done lol!

Small claims court is the most worthless part of our judicial system.  I wish they would just do away with it.  Even if you had won, the courts don't enforce payments!!!!  Just ask me how I know :(  You would have had a better avenue suing her for civil actions.

Good job though and keep it going forward.  People these days just wait and think the police and courts will "do the right thing" when in fact they won't.  It's nothing against the police or courts but they have more important cases their working on.  Spending tons of resources going after a criminal that has ripped money out of someone's hands is nothing compared to a rapist or murderer.  I hope that a great lawyer that gets wind of your problems feels that they need to offer their service pro-bono or at a very reduced fee to lend a hand.  It's obvious that even in small claims court when you go up against a lawyer by yourselves you will be chewed up and spit out.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on July 12, 2013, 12:46:55 PM
As I said when I first joined this site as a BAB victim I would post EVERYTHING, the Good AND the BAD. Well this is certainly not good news to me but Ericka prevailed against T A Widow and myself. I had the TRO from the NC AG which showed she had full control of the account that MY money went into but the court could verify it's authenticity so it held little weight as evidence.

 She admitted she was on the the account, she admitted she was the owner of Pontiac Pros ( when I showed her the copy and pasted Buncombe county website), but the judge said our beef was with Bob.

  Yet she lives in a trailer and drives a new Ford EXCURSION. Go figure! The truck is worth more than her trailer!

  Anyway, it's not over! We have 30 days to appeal.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Chuckles on July 12, 2013, 04:18:22 PM
Tie her up in court appeals for the next couple years. Doubt she'll have a lawyer handy for all that...
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on July 12, 2013, 04:40:50 PM
If I lived in Asheville,NC that might be an option but I live in Jacksonville,Fl. That's a minimum 8 hour drive each way plus a hotel stay and gas.

 While she may have spent more in lawyer's fees, unless we ( T A WIDOW and myself ) can get a legal professional to help with a reasonable expectation of prevailing in the appeal it's seems to be an excersize in futility.

 
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: ponchonutty on July 12, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
Well unfortunately looking at how BAB was run and who it was ran by, I am sure what coin is left is very, very little.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: tawidow on July 12, 2013, 08:09:34 PM
They have enough money to pay a lawyer for a day and drive the Excursion.  The money is still out there somewhere.  FYI George, I think we only have 10 days to appeal, not 30.
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: Flounder55 on July 12, 2013, 09:16:09 PM
I stand corrected
Title: Re: Build a Bandit
Post by: johnc9909