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Offline transamfan

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« on: February 08, 2007, 12:10:46 AM »
I really am sorry to ask such an elementary question, but I am wondering about the "matching nubers" of a car.  This includes the body, engine, and transmission, right?  So, if I want to find out if my car is matching numbers, what numbers do I match up off each piece, and where are they located?  Also, there is a chance that I just sold the original transmission out of my car (needed to be rebuilt and I had an extra sitting around).  How important is it that I get it back if it is in fact the original.  

If there is a spot on this sight or TAC that answers this question, I appoligize in advance for overlooking it.


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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 12:53:49 AM »
That is kinda  a long question to answer, but let me try to do it in short.

First when people look at a "Numbers Matching" car, there are a few things to look for.  When you talk about "Numbers Matching", most of the time, they are talking about the VIN number of the car and the car having the original equipment in the car.  For the VIN number, there are a few places that it is located.  First is of course up on the dash visible through the windshield.  The second place for the VIN number is on the firewall located behind the blower motor.  Those are the only two places on the body that the VIN number is located.  Now, the VIN number will also be located on the engine and the transmission.  So, when people ask about a "Matching Numbers" car, they mean first and foremost that they can find the same VIN number on those four locations listed above.  Now, on the Firewall, the Engine, and the Transmission, there is really only an abbreviated version of the VIN.  For example, the VIN number of your car might be 2W87Z7N111111.  The VIN number located on the Firewall is only like 22N111111.  So, it is an abbreviated version of the VIN, but the most important thing to look at is the "111111".. which denotes your car and your car only and specifically.  It is the last 6 digits of your VIN that is the most important to have on those four locations.  Those are the only items that are specific to YOUR car.

Now, to take the "Numbers Matching" car to the second level.  The next set of numbers to look at is the Cowl Data plate located under the hood.  On there will have a bunch of numbers and codes there as well that will denote some (yes, only some) of what your car came with and looked like.  Meaning, you will have a code for the exterior color like 19L and 19U for black exterior upper and lower body paint.  You will have a 62N for camel tan cloth interior.  You will also have some codes like CC1 if your car came with Fisher T-top roof, or it might have a Y84 for a Special Edition Trans Am.  Now again, the cowl plate lists only some of what your car originally came as.  As we have seen for alot of posts here, the cowl tags can vary from year to year and also plant to plant.  But at least it has a general description of your car and colors that was originally on the car.  So, that is the second phase of the "Numbers Matching" car.

Now, the third phase is where you get into all of the little tedious details of the car.  This is where you can go nuts deciphering what is original to the car or not.  All of the heads, carb, rear end, shaker scoops, gauges, trim, emblems, etc., etc., etc.  Just about every peice on the car has some numbers on it to let you know where that part came from or what it belongs to.  For example, your shaker scoop will have a GM part number on it that will let you know that yes, this shaker was on a 1978 Trans Am.  Alot of the parts on the car are like that.  Now, some of the other parts of the car like the carb will take that a step further and have casting codes and date codes on them that will tell you more information.  For example, the carb might have a code of 17058276 which would tell you that that carb came on a Pontiac 400 engine.  It will also have a date code that will let you know when the carb was manufactured.  The heads will have the same type of coding to them.  SO, all of the parts on the car will have some sort of "Numbers" to them.  I could go on and on about all of the numbers and the codes, but that is where you can drive yourself nuts looking up all of the codes and such.

The main point of this is that look for the VIN number in those four locations (the firewall one being the hardest to look at without dismantling the blower).  Then look at the Cowl plate for further numbers.  That is mostly the extent of a "Numbers Matching" car.  Now, for most Trans Ams, that is what you need to look out for.  Now, if you were spending over $100,000 on a 1973 455SD car, then I am sure you would go further and look at all of the dates codes and casting numbers on all of the other parts.  But for most Trans Am Buyers, the first and second phase of the "Numbers Matching" is good enough.

I hope I answered your question.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 01:27:50 AM »
You hope you answered my question!  You went above and beyond.  I am glad to learn more about the technical stuff like the cowel plate, carb. ect...   Thank you for all of the info.  I am soaking this stuff up like a sponge.  

Where on the engine and transmission are the numbers?


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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 08:46:32 AM »
The engine numbers on a Pontiac 400/455 would be on the front of the block, passenger side, just below the heads.  Olds 403 would be on the opposite site on a tag.  Transmission numbers are on the housing on the drivers side.
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2007, 01:47:47 PM »
Thanks a lot.  I need to find out if I accidentally sold the original transmission now.


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