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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2011, 12:15:14 PM »
While I am at it,  I have a few more questions for you guys.  
Powdercoat the frame?  I have sub frame connectors that will need to go in but I cant put them in now
because there is no load on the car. So in theory I would have to grind that off to weld in the sub frame connectors and thus messing up the powder coat.  Should I just POR15 the frame?

I have been reading up on what to coat the bottom of the car with but the more I read,  the more confused I get.   I doubt por 15 would stick to anything that isnt rusty,  so thats out.  I would like to put an etch primer on it to prevent future rust,  however the etch primer and the 2k primers arent compatible.  
Possibly a chassis black type coating?

these two are my next to major's once I get the engine back together and get rid of all the engine parts all over my garage.. lol
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2011, 03:57:02 PM »
Sorry didn't read through all your post but are you going nuts & bolts resto or driver or somewhere in between? If the last (2) are you, might I recommend a good epoxy primer once you've got all the rust cleaned off? Otherwise, you might want to look at POR 20 - its a chassis coat that is UV stable so it does not need to be topcoated.

Unless you buy UV stable POR15, you will need to top coat it before the car sees daylight otherwise the sun will break down POR15. This is per the manufacturer.

As for powder coating the front subframe - mine is and I do not believe that the shop needed to grind away at anything to install the Competition Engineering bolt in subframe connectors on the Y88.

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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2011, 10:15:58 PM »
I am creating somewhere in between.  I am doing a frame off restore,  replacing everything that needs replacing, salvaging what I can.  This is a long term project that I am doing as I have the time and finances allow.  So I guess that is somewhere in between. 

Thanks for the info on the por20,  I will have to do some more reading there.

The subframe connectors I have are SSM Weld In Connectors.

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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2011, 09:05:31 AM »
Since you're using weld in subframe connectors you will need to grind down the front subrframe (rear as well) to bare metal in order to make your weld. At that point, I'd probably look at a good epoxy paint.

And I'm assuming you have solid body mounts purchased as rubber won't cut it for weld ins - you'll break the welds the first time the body flexes otherwise.

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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2011, 08:36:48 PM »
Good work so far on your bird. I thought I would chime in with some info. I have used quite a bit of the por-15 product line on mine. The black por-15 by the manufacuter states that the sun will change it cosmetically but not the chemical rust preventative protection. I used black por15 on my sub frame and top coated it with the por20 chassis black over coat. The manufacturer also stated it will work for non rusted parts if it is preped right. They also say do not use any type of chemical to remove any paint on what you are going to use it on because the chemical remover will affect the por15. I have also used the it on my control arms and the silver on my spindles. I will be using it on my rear end to. I chose to use summits chassis shield as I was informed it was an epoxy and mine is going to be inbetween a driver and a show car as well. Hope this helps and good luck.
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2011, 01:34:23 AM »
The chassis shield will be for the underside of the car. Sorry didn't clearify that.
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #36 on: May 23, 2011, 11:00:34 PM »
Thanks for the info,  I definately look into it soon.  I am trying to get my motor wrapped up. I am held for lifters and pushrods,  they are paid for,  but chasing suppliers.  :(  My near term plans are get the motor finsihed up,  clean the garage again,  then finally get back to my floor pan, and undercoating. 

I am so envyous of some of you with huge shops to do this sort of stuff in. 

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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2011, 11:09:56 PM »
I have made some progress. slowly but surely :)
The engine is ready to go.
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2011, 11:11:36 PM »
And I got it flipped on the side :)

I would put my total cost for the rotisserie at 60 bucks.  25 in lumber and 35 in bolts and washers.
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2011, 11:12:48 PM »
It was actually very easy to flip.  I used a floor jack to get me started,  then the rest was a balancing act.  I did it completely by myself and slid the front and back away from the side of the garage a couple times.  

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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2011, 08:08:41 PM »
Nice job. I like the rotisserie!! That would fit perfect in my budget...lol. Is there any way you could post or email me some more detailed pics? I would greatly appreciate it. My email is on my profile.
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2011, 09:02:20 PM »
It was actually very easy to flip.  I used a floor jack to get me started,  then the rest was a balancing act.  I did it completely by myself and slid the front and back away from the side of the garage a couple times. 



X2   they are very light when it just the shell.  300lbs maybe.
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2011, 10:36:21 PM »
Nice job. I like the rotisserie!! That would fine perfect in my budget...lol. Is there any way you could post or email me some more detailed pics? I would greatly appreciate it. My email is on my profile.

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Here is the parts list for the rotisserie.
 
The curve parts was made from a 1 1/2 desktop I had around.  30 x 24 x 1 1/2 with around a 24" radius.  I screwed one side of a piece of metal into it then rotated it from  the bottom until it went off the board.
 
2:  2 x 8 x 84 for the Main boards
1:  4 x 4 x 42 for the front connect point.
2:  2 x 6 x 24 for the leg on the rotating side.
2:  2 x 6 x 30 for the other leg.
2:  2 x 4 x 36 for the Up portion
2:  2 x 4 x 60 for the Up portion brace.
 
Here is the material list.
Wood
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1: 4x4x8 ft
2: 2x8x8 ft
2: 2x6x8 ft
2: 2x4x8 ft
2: 1 1/2 x 24 x 30 Rotating pieces.
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Hardware
 
20 7/16 x 5 bolts
4  7/16 x 6 bolts
Attachment bolts:
3 1/2 x 8 bolts (front)
2 1/2 x 6 or 5" bolts (front 4x4)
8 1/2 x 8 bolts (back)
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2011, 06:34:44 AM »
You do excellent work! It's great to see the progress you've made, and the rotisserie is very clever!!
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Re: Netbrsr 79 400 4 Speed
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2011, 11:32:59 AM »
I finally made some progress over the summer.  Its been too hot to go sand the bottom of the car.. lol
Here it is with the floor pan issues fixed and some SPI Epoxy Primer on it.
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