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Offline vsefiream

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Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« on: August 24, 2009, 12:41:00 PM »
Ok this is a streach but does anybody have or know of a set of Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers for sale??  I don't need the pan, just the headers.  Thanks All

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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 05:00:35 PM »
Really?  A set of Herb Adams headers?  Didn't he do some 24 hours of Daytona thing back in 1980?

Let me know if you find something - I liked that blue/white combo he came up with.  They had to bend the hood up to get air into the engine to cool it from what I recall.

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John

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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2009, 11:11:42 AM »
I guess you miss the set for 200 and the following one for 1200, eh? Maltese falcon in canada got the first set. beat me to it. he was looking into a shop to make another set. While there headers have a bid WOW factor, the power gains over a good tri Y design is not to much. these headers work best with high 6k+ rpm reving engines.

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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 02:01:58 PM »
Yea, I saw both, missed the $200 set by 2 hours!!  Anyhow, doesn't hurt to look.  I have a line on a set of perfect HO racing tri-Y's but those may take a while if at all.  I am dry sumping the motor and really want the 180 degree headers.  Chris fired up his Fire Am and made me want them all the more!!  LOL

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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 02:03:15 PM »
Check out this page: http://s491.photobucket.com/albums/rr273/vsefiream/Fire%20Am%20stuff/

Really?  A set of Herb Adams headers?  Didn't he do some 24 hours of Daytona thing back in 1980?

Let me know if you find something - I liked that blue/white combo he came up with.  They had to bend the hood up to get air into the engine to cool it from what I recall.

Good luck

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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2009, 04:41:49 PM »
try to find some tribal tubes Tri-Y's. I have them on my gold car they are very nice. Chris's car does sound neat. Defiantly different than a typical poncho. I was a row behind prepping my car (blue 74 t/a)  when I heard him fire it up.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2009, 09:13:25 PM »
That's the article I remember ...  some cool history there.

Check out this page: http://s491.photobucket.com/albums/rr273/vsefiream/Fire%20Am%20stuff/

Really?  A set of Herb Adams headers?  Didn't he do some 24 hours of Daytona thing back in 1980?

Let me know if you find something - I liked that blue/white combo he came up with.  They had to bend the hood up to get air into the engine to cool it from what I recall.

Good luck
John

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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2021, 06:21:49 AM »
I did find a set. Sorry, not for sale - I'm going to use them on my Fire Am build. However, recently I looked into the cost of getting them replicated in stainless steel., since these are used and I'm not sure how long they will last being run on a car.  There is a shop in my area that specializes in making custom headers and has done some impressive work fabricating headers for exotic cars. Anyway, they said that it would "require a healthy budget" in view of the complexity and tight fit, and that they would be trying to eliminate the "aggressive clearancing" on the front passenger side tube. They estimated $5500 - $6000 (CDN) ( $4300 - $4700 US) to build a replica in 304 stainless. If they made more sets after that, the cost would be about 10 - 15% less for subsequent sets, so $4675 - $5400 CDN ($3668 - $4237 US). That's still a lot for a set of headers.

I had heard that NPD was going to be producing them along with their other VSE parts, but nothing seems to have come of that. I would imagine that their costs would be somewhat less than a one-off by a specialty shop, but even if they got them to $3000 or so, you still need the fancy VSE aluminum oil pan and pick-up for them to fit, and I would imagine that would be at least $1000 US; NPD isn't producing that either. I don't know why they haven't moved forward on the 180 degree headers, but it seems possible that they just didn't think that they could sell very many if it was going to cost $4000 to run them.

I also remember that VSE did list the 180-degree headers in their first catalog, and they were $260 at that time; the aluminum pan was $215. For comparison, the Holley 850 Double Pumper was $172.20. By 1981, they had replaced the 180-degree headers with Hooker Super Comps at $236 (or $159 "Racer Net"). So VSE discontinued the 180-degree headers "back in the day"  for some reason, and the reason doesn't appear to have been cost, exactly, since the 180s weren't that much more than the Super Comps. But who knows - it could be that they lost their fabricator, or they found that people weren't buying the 180s because they looked like a PITA to install.

Edit: I see that Doug's Headers makes 180-degree headers for Ford 390/427 for about $1200, so I would have thought that NPD could have them made at a similar price point, but I don't really know that.

Anyway, here are some photos, if you've never seen a set.
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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2021, 01:58:54 PM »
Good luck trying to find another set of those. The stars were aligned for Maltese when he found that set!!
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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2021, 05:19:48 AM »
Bugger it, i'll just go with the Hooker headers lol
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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2021, 10:17:35 AM »
Bugger it, i'll just go with the Hooker headers lol

lol...It'll certainly be quicker and easier

Make your own maybe?
Charlie
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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2021, 11:07:28 AM »
The beauty is that there really isn't anything "incorrect" for a Fire Am. Except putting the decals on an unmodified car.
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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2021, 03:22:54 PM »
There are tools that make it easier to build your own, but they are pricey. I think you would only buy them if you were going to be making a lot of headers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBmjU83kaow
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Re: Herb Adams VSE 180 degree headers wanted.... Please...
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2021, 01:12:57 PM »
Almost purchased a set of header making tools...the plastics pieces you can fit together to determine the tubes to be replicated...they are blue and orange and snap together...anyway...I couldn't justify the cost of them, if I was only going to use it once. Maybe a future gift to myself...I have the pipe cutting tool and access to the tube flaring tool...hmmmmmmmm
Charlie
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